CNN Republican debate

[pcgeek11]

So families are now enemy combatants? Holy fuck you people are retarded!

I didn't say that. Read my post and try again.

1.) A comment was made about making war on people that make war against us.

Last I checked, the Constitution doesn't inhibit us from making war upon foreign individuals when they make war upon us.

2.) Then you made a comment about some treaty we signed.

No but the treaty we signed on to does.

3.) I asked you for the specifics of the ( unknown ) treaty we signed prohibiting the US from making war against people that make war against us.

What treaty did we sign that said we are inhibited from making war on people that make war on us?

I know this is hard for you, but where did I say we should kill families?

 

[trenchfoot]

The problem with these pre-primary Repub debates is that all of the candidates are pandering to a base that has gotten riled up, terrified, spooked, pissed off and looking to hammer down on any "enemy" that the RNC and FOX has hyper-hyped as the blue plate special of the day/week/month.

For these folks, the Dems are just as, if not more evil than ISIS. Imagine that: Millions upon millions of their fellow Americans are plotting to take over the country, ban all firearms and then hand the nation over to the terrorists on a silver platter.

With that horrific propaganda induced image chasing them down, waiting around every dark corner to attack, I can see why there is no such thing as having too many guns in hand.

As a matter of fact, the real terrorists threatening the Repub base are those legions of mind-fucking propagandists the RNC employs to keep their base primed for war.

The hottest products that's being sold in these Repub debates is fear and hate, over and over and over again. Fear and hate to get elected and more fear and hate to stay in office, and even more fear and hate to start endless wars that benefit the very rich while needlessly and heartlessly killing the children, fathers and mothers and loved ones of those that are tasked with "defending the nation".

Bush's Iraq war proved beyond doubt what a joke that phrase turned out to be.

I'm done with actually watching the Repub debates for now, as what they're broadcasting has devolved into interminable rounds of who can vilify Obama and Hillary the best (worst), real issues be damned. Maybe when it gets close to crunch time I'll tune in for the after-action reports if anything.

 

[Indus]

The problem with these pre-primary Repub debates is that all of the candidates are pandering to a base that has gotten riled up, terrified, spooked, pissed off and looking to hammer down on any "enemy" that the RNC and FOX has hyper-hyped as the blue plate special of the day/week/month.

For these folks, the Dems are just as, if not more evil than ISIS. Imagine that: Millions upon millions of their fellow Americans are plotting to take over the country, ban all firearms and then hand the nation over to the terrorists on a silver platter.

With that horrific propaganda induced image chasing them down, waiting around every dark corner to attack, I can see why there is no such thing as having too many guns in hand.

As a matter of fact, the real terrorists threatening the Repub base are those legions of mind-fucking propagandists the RNC employs to keep their base primed for war.

The hottest products that's being sold in these Repub debates is fear and hate, over and over and over again. Fear and hate to get elected and more fear and hate to stay in office, and even more fear and hate to start endless wars that benefit the very rich while needlessly and heartlessly killing the children, fathers and mothers and loved ones of those that are tasked with "defending the nation".

Bush's Iraq war proved beyond doubt what a joke that phrase turned out to be.

I'm done with actually watching the Repub debates for now, as what they're broadcasting has devolved into interminable rounds of who can vilify Obama and Hillary the best (worst), real issues be damned. Maybe when it gets close to crunch time I'll tune in for the after-action reports if anything.

Yep this 100%.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Last I checked, the Constitution doesn't inhibit us from making war upon foreign individuals when they make war upon us.

Good now get Congress to declare war. Obama has asked them and the response is a 15 year old bill that some haven't even voted for

 

[LegendKiller]

The problem with these pre-primary Repub debates is that all of the candidates are pandering to a base that has gotten riled up, terrified, spooked, pissed off and looking to hammer down on any "enemy" that the RNC and FOX has hyper-hyped as the blue plate special of the day/week/month.

For these folks, the Dems are just as, if not more evil than ISIS. Imagine that: Millions upon millions of their fellow Americans are plotting to take over the country, ban all firearms and then hand the nation over to the terrorists on a silver platter.

With that horrific propaganda induced image chasing them down, waiting around every dark corner to attack, I can see why there is no such thing as having too many guns in hand.

As a matter of fact, the real terrorists threatening the Repub base are those legions of mind-fucking propagandists the RNC employs to keep their base primed for war.

The hottest products that's being sold in these Repub debates is fear and hate, over and over and over again. Fear and hate to get elected and more fear and hate to stay in office, and even more fear and hate to start endless wars that benefit the very rich while needlessly and heartlessly killing the children, fathers and mothers and loved ones of those that are tasked with "defending the nation".

Bush's Iraq war proved beyond doubt what a joke that phrase turned out to be.

I'm done with actually watching the Repub debates for now, as what they're broadcasting has devolved into interminable rounds of who can vilify Obama and Hillary the best (worst), real issues be damned. Maybe when it gets close to crunch time I'll tune in for the after-action reports if anything.

What real issues would you have them address?

 

[Bowfinger]

The problem with these pre-primary Repub debates is that all of the candidates are pandering to a base that has gotten riled up, terrified, spooked, pissed off and looking to hammer down on any "enemy" that the RNC and FOX has hyper-hyped as the blue plate special of the day/week/month.

For these folks, the Dems are just as, if not more evil than ISIS. Imagine that: Millions upon millions of their fellow Americans are plotting to take over the country, ban all firearms and then hand the nation over to the terrorists on a silver platter.

With that horrific propaganda induced image chasing them down, waiting around every dark corner to attack, I can see why there is no such thing as having too many guns in hand.

As a matter of fact, the real terrorists threatening the Repub base are those legions of mind-fucking propagandists the RNC employs to keep their base primed for war.

The hottest products that's being sold in these Repub debates is fear and hate, over and over and over again. Fear and hate to get elected and more fear and hate to stay in office, and even more fear and hate to start endless wars that benefit the very rich while needlessly and heartlessly killing the children, fathers and mothers and loved ones of those that are tasked with "defending the nation".

Bush's Iraq war proved beyond doubt what a joke that phrase turned out to be.

I'm done with actually watching the Repub debates for now, as what they're broadcasting has devolved into interminable rounds of who can vilify Obama and Hillary the best (worst), real issues be damned. Maybe when it gets close to crunch time I'll tune in for the after-action reports if anything.

Well said.

 

[JD50]

I didn't say that. Read my post and try again.

1.) A comment was made about making war on people that make war against us.



2.) Then you made a comment about some treaty we signed.



3.) I asked you for the specifics of the ( unknown ) treaty we signed prohibiting the US from making war against people that make war against us.



I know this is hard for you, but where did I say we should kill families?

Maybe you should go back a couple more posts so you can understand the context of the discussion.

You mean like your boy trump wants to do by shutting down the Internet and killing non enemy combatants?

You aren't as principled as you think.

I have no problem going a little Hammurabi's Code on terrorists.

 

[Indus]

What real issues would you have them address?

Stop blocking Adam Szubin's confirmation to job targeting ISIS financing
Giving American women equal pay
Stopping hate crimes against Minority Americans in America
Crippling Right wing terrorism in America like Charleston and Colorado PP
Allowing selling of guns to terrorists on watch list intent on hurting America
Raising the minimum wage for Americans and fixing Income Inequality
Stopping pharmaceutical companies from price gouging Americans
Reforming Wall Street to avoid financial meltdowns and ponzi schemes
Addressing climate change by replacing coal with wind and solar
Reducing the power of the police state
Taking care of the declining middle class

But it's obvious at this point what their real priorities are instead.

 

[K1052]

I've never seriously considered donating to a political party or candidate prior to last night. Then I saw a bunch of dangerous, irresponsible, bellicose nutbags parading out quasi-facist positions and rhetoric that preys on the fears their own party has stoked while an audience ate it up. Congrats GOP...I'm going to give the DNC a little something this year.

This was probably the most monstrous spectacle I've seen out of our political system in my lifetime.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The thing about War is it requires 100% commitment to destroying the other side.

We did it with the Indians, we were like a plague of locusts. Killing men women and children, killing thier source of food to starve them (The Buffalo)

We did it in WW II, when we dropped two nuclear bombs and fire bombed the shit out of Germany.

There are many more examples. The thing about war is you cannot take half measures if you want to achieve victory. Yes it sounds terrible but its how it has always been.

This is why the best thing to do is avoid situations that trigger wars to begin with.

We fucking practiced genocide with the Native Americans, something we should never, ever come close to thinking about doing again. And we initiated that, not the other way around. Really, really shitty example.

 

[Grooveriding]

This is something said elsewhere, but the core fundamentals of the republicans are actually attending to the interests of big money and big business, not the narrative you hear them push in public. You can't run on those principals and win elections with the voting public, so they shore themselves up with an insane narrative based on fear, racism, bible thumping etc. for the voting public. This message sells to voters because they can't sell their true fundamentals as those are the interests of a very small minority.

The question is do the majority of people who show up to vote in the US identify with the fear, racism and bible-thumping narrative they promote that will let them get elected on that narrative. I tend to doubt that is the case. I think the legacy of the Bush disaster is still present for too many people and believe it is a minority of people that would fall for the dysfunctional narrative the republicans push. The constant 'keep you safe, keep you safe, keep you safe' is ridiculous.

It's pretty nauseating and a political landscape you'd expect from some dictatorial regime in Africa, not a first world nation.

 

[Genx87]

I've never seriously considered donating to a political party or candidate prior to last night. Then I saw a bunch of dangerous, irresponsible, bellicose nutbags parading out quasi-facist positions and rhetoric that preys on the fears their own party has stoked while an audience ate it up. Congrats GOP...I'm going to give the DNC a little something this year.

This was probably the most monstrous spectacle I've seen out of our political system in my lifetime.

Don't get too crazy about the DNC. Clinton is also for a no-fly zone and regime change in Syria. Encryption back doors for the state to spy on civilians. Like I said in another thread. The truly depressing part about Obamas administration is what is coming after him. Hillary Clinton and whatever dumpster fire comes out of the GOP are our choices.

 

[theeedude]

This is something said elsewhere, but the core fundamentals of the republicans are actually attending to the interests of big money and big business, not the narrative you hear them push in public. You can't run on those principals and win elections with the voting public, so they shore themselves up with an insane narrative based on fear, racism, bible thumping etc. for the voting public. This message sells to voters because they can't sell their true fundamentals as those are the interests of a very small minority.

The question is do the majority of people who show up to vote in the US identify with the fear, racism and bible-thumping narrative they promote that will let them get elected on that narrative. I tend to doubt that is the case. I think the legacy of the Bush disaster is still present for too many people and believe it is a minority of people that would fall for the dysfunctional narrative the republicans push. The constant 'keep you safe, keep you safe, keep you safe' is ridiculous.

It's pretty nauseating and a political landscape you'd expect from some dictatorial regime in Africa, not a first world nation.

You just gotta look at the recent budget that got voted on to see where the Republican priorities lie.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...iscal-deal-that-ends-u-s-crude-oil-export-ban
But their base of low value add idiot voters is off the reservation now, and they don't give a shit about corporatism, they are driven by fear, and they are lashing out.

 

[BoberFett]

For these folks, the Dems are just as, if not more evil than ISIS.

Ummmm, Democrats routinely say that Republicans are worse than ISIS. Why would you expect Republicans to view you any differently.

 

[BxgJ]

Don't get too crazy about the DNC. Clinton is also for a no-fly zone and regime change in Syria. Encryption back doors for the state to spy on civilians. Like I said in another thread. The truly depressing part about Obamas administration is what is coming after him. Hillary Clinton and whatever dumpster fire comes out of the GOP are our choices.

Yeah they were really arguing for that last night.

 

[K1052]

Don't get too crazy about the DNC. Clinton is also for a no-fly zone and regime change in Syria. Encryption back doors for the state to spy on civilians. Like I said in another thread. The truly depressing part about Obamas administration is what is coming after him. Hillary Clinton and whatever dumpster fire comes out of the GOP are our choices.

I'm not crazy about the Dems but I see no alternative. Hillary is what used to pass for a well right of center candidate but now occupies the middle thanks to the GOP.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Funny thing was they're all fired up to do something in the ME but nobody except Graham want to say how many troops. Oddly Cruz and I appear to have similar views which makes me sad.

 

[Moonbeam]

It sickens me. The party of so-called small government patriots are a bunch of pussies who want to give up every freedom and right we enjoy so that government can keep them 'safe' from the phantom menace of terrorism.

Hehehehe. I always have such a liberal nuanced hard time describing conservatives as disgusting because the moral aptitudes that produce disgust are so very much more common among conservatives than liberals. Disgust is a phenomena based on fear and loathing, I think, and involve the gag reflex that is there to protect us from the consumption of contaminated or rotten food. As humans who can speak language that feeling of disgust, in childhood, gets connected with behaviors that when we express them, cause our parents and culture to wretch leading to the unconscious assumption that it is us and not our behavior that is disgusting. Then in comes the ego and up go the walls, to save us from that feeling by pushing it into the unconscious.

Once that feeling is established, we are easy to control. We conform to any standard without fear of disgust no matter how disgusting it is because all that matters then is that we do not feel it about ourselves. And of course when self hate is hidden from the self the result is projection.

Anybody then who thinks deeply and is self reflection has to ask themselves if what the see as sickening is so or is it only a projection. Well, if we had moral training as children that was rational, potentially it could be both.

What I do know is that we become what we fear. The fear of being disgusting makes people do things that are disgusting. And that temptation is open to me. I believe that the mental habits of conservatives to focus on fear disgusting because of how far that fear will drive them to morally justify actions that are morally evil.

For me then the question is always, how does one oppose such evil without succumbing to the same temptation. I find this issue fascinating and love a film by called Red Beard that I think deals with that theme.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ummmm, Democrats routinely say that Republicans are worse than ISIS. Why would you expect Republicans to view you any differently.

What do you mean by worse, that Republicans actually act like ISIS and go around beheading people on camera, or worse in the sense of how much more barbaric they are in relationship to their culture. What is worse, a person who grew up in a culture of Western Values and phenomenally advanced liberal values compared to the backwardness of so much of the rest of the world talking about blowing up terrorists families, women and children, or people who have grown up amongst savages acting like that?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Ummmm, Democrats routinely say that Republicans are worse than ISIS. Why would you expect Republicans to view you any differently.

I have never heard anyone say any such thing. You seem to habitually write things like "Democrats routinely say that Republicans are worse than ISIS" without attribution or sourcing. Only an idiot would say that Republicans, as a whole, are worse than ISIS, just as only an idiot would say that Democrats, as a whole, are worse than ISIS.

 

[Subyman]

Yeah, I've never heard of either party being compared to terrorists other than maybe some dumbass on Facebook.

 

[ivwshane]

How about you read the original exchange lk and I were having? I know it's hard for you to follow along but maybe you shouldn't comment until you know how to do that.

I didn't say that. Read my post and try again.

1.) A comment was made about making war on people that make war against us.



2.) Then you made a comment about some treaty we signed.



3.) I asked you for the specifics of the ( unknown ) treaty we signed prohibiting the US from making war against people that make war against us.



I know this is hard for you, but where did I say we should kill families?

 

[ivwshane]

Umm actually you have not even read the treaty........

So this isn't in the treaty?

Article 3 states that even where there is not a conflict of international character, the parties must as a minimum adhere to minimal protections described as: non-combatants, members of armed forces who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, with the following prohibitions:
(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) taking of hostages;
(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment
(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

 

[Jhhnn]

I've never seriously considered donating to a political party or candidate prior to last night. Then I saw a bunch of dangerous, irresponsible, bellicose nutbags parading out quasi-facist positions and rhetoric that preys on the fears their own party has stoked while an audience ate it up. Congrats GOP...I'm going to give the DNC a little something this year.

This was probably the most monstrous spectacle I've seen out of our political system in my lifetime.

I didn't watch. I haven't even read the whole thread.

Helluva show, I take it- Repub values on parade & the same crowd who booed John McCain during his concession speech out in force.

Six more Repub debates to go. Perhaps it'll jar rational people who think they're conservatives into taking a closer look at what they believe & the company they keep.

Or not. Time will tell.

 

[BxgJ]

How about you read the original exchange lk and I were having? I know it's hard for you to follow along but maybe you shouldn't comment until you know how to do that.

Also people should watch the relevant question/answer from Trump and exchange with Paul from the debate last night, to get an idea of what started the conversation in this thread. In case anyone didn't read it earlier and doesn't want to go back now, Trump didn't back off of the bit about going after the families. Not combatants. He did not modify the statement, even when Paul mentioned the Geneva convention being a problem.

It is possible I missed a line that matters, and I do plan to go back and watch that part. If this is the case let me know. No one said so earlier.