CNN republican debate thread

[Subyman]

How do you know who is a good lawyer for any field (docs, litigation, defense, banektuocy, m and a)? What about accountants? Hr managers? Bankers?

You interview, ask around....

You have to be able to put together interview questions though. 😱

Ben didn't even know what type of tax plan he was going to put together. He was going to leave it "to the people." Trump was going to "read up" on foreign policy. These are not good answers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I was half listening at this point. But did Bush really say Margaret Thatcher would be a person to put on one of our bills?

He did but it was prefaced with "its probably illegal"
Bush clearly was talking about a person he admires.

 

[LegendKiller]

I actually like Kasich in both debates. But his stance of legalization of drugs bothers me. And think it will be hard for Republicans to nominate a guy who actually worked within Obamacare for his state.

I want to like Rubio. But his stance on drug laws and the border fence bothers the shit out of me. He is young and energetic. But damn, get away from the base rhetoric son!

Kasich is a party man RINOS that trades on his actions 20 years ago to make a name for himself. His slathering approach to "I was on this plane!" Is ridiculous. He has been in the party cocktail circuit for far too long.

 

[K1052]

Kasich is a party man RINOS that trades on his actions 20 years ago to make a name for himself. His slathering approach to "I was on this plane!" Is ridiculous. He has been in the party cocktail circuit for far too long.

To be fair everybody on that stage was constantly slobbering over Reagan enough that I was wondering if they were going to roll his corpse out at the end and give it a champagne toast.

Kasich at least come off as sort of a relatable human being…which is more than I can say for a lot of the other candidates. Since he's the living embodiment of the traditional establishment GOP he'll never survive the primary. Even Bush has sailed to the right of him.

 

[fskimospy]

How do you know who is a good lawyer for any field (docs, litigation, defense, banektuocy, m and a)? What about accountants? Hr managers? Bankers?

You interview, ask around....

Yes, if you're hiring for any field you should have some knowledge about it, especially if the thing that you are hiring for is arguably the primary job of the position you're looking to take. (foreign policy/national defense)

Would you be comfortable with the CEO of a bank having no knowledge of banking because he can just ask other people about it?

Do you think a person who is widely considered an utter failure as an hp ceo knows anything about it?

No, I think she would be a bad president.

what about a community organizer? Or his pet, valerie?

At every point of the presidential campaign of 2008 Obama showed far more mastery of the issues than Trump has ever shown. I personally think Obama has been likely the most successful president of my lifetime from a policy perspective, so it looks like that knowledge served him well.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yes, if you're hiring for any field you should have some knowledge about it, especially if the thing that you are hiring for is arguably the primary job of the position you're looking to take. (foreign policy/national defense)

Would you be comfortable with the CEO of a bank having no knowledge of banking because he can just ask other people about it?



No, I think she would be a bad president.



At every point of the presidential campaign of 2008 Obama showed far more mastery of the issues than Trump has ever shown. I personally think Obama has been likely the most successful president of my lifetime from a policy perspective, so it looks like that knowledge served him well.

How much working knowledge of the trial law does any ceo have? He has people for that. If your primary job is litigation, but you are not a litigator, you still delegate.

So because Obama was coached means he is/was better?

 

[fskimospy]

How much working knowledge of the trial law does any ceo have? He has people for that. If your primary job is litigation, but you are not a litigator, you still delegate.

If you are the head of a litigation firm I would hope you have a minimal level of knowledge about litigation, wouldn't you?

So because Obama was coached means he is/was better?

It means he was much better prepared for the job. Who cares that he was coached? Everyone is coached for almost everything they do, whether through formal education or on the job learning. Obama displayed the care and the ability to educate himself for the position. Trump hasn't. The idea that he's going to go win the election, hire some "really great people" and have things work out is absurd on its face.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yes, if you're hiring for any field you should have some knowledge about it, especially if the thing that you are hiring for is arguably the primary job of the position you're looking to take. (foreign policy/national defense)

Not a Trump fan but Obama learned 'on the job' many, many aspects of the job where he had little to no prior experience...such as foreign policy/national defense.

 

[fskimospy]

Not a Trump fan but Obama learned 'on the job' many, many aspects of the job where he had little to no prior experience...such as foreign policy/national defense.

How does that relate to what I said?

 

[LegendKiller]

If you are the head of a litigation firm I would hope you have a minimal level of knowledge about litigation, wouldn't you?



It means he was much better prepared for the job. Who cares that he was coached? Everyone is coached for almost everything they do, whether through formal education or on the job learning. Obama displayed the care and the ability to educate himself for the position. Trump hasn't. The idea that he's going to go win the election, hire some "really great people" and have things work out is absurd on its face.

Having hired, or seen hired, a lot of lawyers in my prior job you can see what may be good or bad, but your working knowledge is somewhat limited compared to them.

We had one firm we hired for a large bankruptcy and litigation thst was horrible. Two partners billing at 750hr each would just parrot you. We fired them and the next firm was much better. Did we know that out of the gates? No.

The whole notion that you can get briefed for this job or have some operators fill younin, is silly. You delegate. You cant know what the Cia knows, especially if you aren't a congress person. But you'll know who you need to hire.

Which is what has been touted as Lincoln's greatest strength. A backwoods attorney didn't have much experience running a country but he found out who would and accumulated one of the best cabinets in history.

Do you think fdr had a working knowledge of what would get us out of the great depression? Who could run the various jobs programs?

Do you think he knew how to run a war effort even if he was sec of navy? No, he hired people.

Trump doesn't need much to get enough knowledge to figure out who to hire, if anything. There isn't a single person that has unique and indisposable knowledge in that space that trump can't easily get.

 

[PokerGuy]

Yes, if you're hiring for any field you should have some knowledge about it, especially if the thing that you are hiring for is arguably the primary job of the position you're looking to take. (foreign policy/national defense)

Yeah, kind of like our community organizer? We've seen how that kind of "experience" translated into likely the worst president in the history of that country. Trump couldn't possibly be worse.

 

[Genx87]

Jebs dream bill.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I liked Paul and Kasich. Paul moreso than Kasich. Kasich mostly plays on balancing the budget under Clinton and vague references to being a pragmatist instead of an ideologue. These aren't bad things, but I need some more concrete positions. Paul has some weird views, but I think he's the only person on the stage who will really fight for individual liberty in most cases.

I don't know how you could have watched last night's debate and still think Trump or Carson are viable candidates. Huckabee would be done if it wasn't for the support of evangelicals who don't really understand civics. Cruz always reminds me more of a televangelist than a politician. Rubio seems like a decent guy, but he's too young. I can't stand Christie's 9/11 references and general attitude. Jeb is the most standard candidate - nothing terribly exciting or scary, other than his admission of smoking pot 40 years ago. Carly's foreign policy comments scare the hell out of me and the reviews of her handling of Lucent and HP are VERY mixed, even though everyone plays up her success in business.

 

[fskimospy]

Having hired, or seen hired, a lot of lawyers in my prior job you can see what may be good or bad, but your working knowledge is somewhat limited compared to them.

We had one firm we hired for a large bankruptcy and litigation thst was horrible. Two partners billing at 750hr each would just parrot you. We fired them and the next firm was much better. Did we know that out of the gates? No.

But you did know something about the law, I assume. Trump appears to know functionally nothing about foreign policy.

The whole notion that you can get briefed for this job or have some operators fill younin, is silly. You delegate. You cant know what the Cia knows, especially if you aren't a congress person. But you'll know who you need to hire.

Which is what has been touted as Lincoln's greatest strength. A backwoods attorney didn't have much experience running a country but he found out who would and accumulated one of the best cabinets in history.

Lincoln had previously served in the US House of Representatives and was a large player in Republican party politics for years prior to becoming president. He was very familiar with not only the country's policies, but the people involved in them. The idea that he was just some backwoods bumpkin who showed up and whipped things into shape is badly wrong.

Do you think fdr had a working knowledge of what would get us out of the great depression? Who could run the various jobs programs?

Do you think he knew how to run a war effort even if he was sec of navy? No, he hired people.

You're kind of arguing my point now. He had a working knowledge of how the military worked, which helped him hire good people.

Trump doesn't need much to get enough knowledge to figure out who to hire, if anything. There isn't a single person that has unique and indisposable knowledge in that space that trump can't easily get.

There are hundreds or thousands of people that will try to bend any prospective president's ear and provide 'knowledge' that reflects their own views and priorities, which may be bullshit. That's why knowing what you're talking about is so important.

 

[Genx87]

I dont understand using Carlys business background as something to be proud. She oversaw a disastrous merger with Compaq. Anybody who followed the computing industry knew that was going to end badly, and it did.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, kind of like our community organizer? We've seen how that kind of "experience" translated into likely the worst president in the history of that country. Trump couldn't possibly be worse.

You're mistaking "president I don't like" with 'likely the worst president in the history of that country'. My guess is that if you consulted nonpartisan sources after Obama is out of office you'll find him graded as above average at a minimum. For me he's been the best president since I've been alive, so it seems like community organizing is a good start!

It's very telling though how you left off his previous experience as a professor, a litigator in private practice, a state senator, and a US senator, to mention a few, and only mentioned his first job. I wonder if someone described your experience for your current position as 'fry guy at McDonalds' or whatever if you would think that was an accurate or deliberately dishonest framing of your work experience? Any thoughts?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah, kind of like our community organizer? We've seen how that kind of "experience" translated into likely the worst president in the history of that country. Trump couldn't possibly be worse.

So laughable that you think Obama is the worst president in the history of our country. Trump would be exponentially worse. He's all bluster and bloviating.

 

[CitizenKain]

Yeah, kind of like our community organizer? We've seen how that kind of "experience" translated into likely the worst president in the history of that country. Trump couldn't possibly be worse.

Were you somehow asleep during the preceding years of Obama being elected? I know republicans like to pretend that Bush wasn't in office for 8 years, but the rest of us remember.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The more I hear Mike Huckabee speak, the more angry he makes me. He's such a flaming hypocrite and he seems to have absolutely no idea. The cognitive dissonance required to say that you're going to get rid of "activist judges" and replace them with people who agree with you about abortion and gun control could probably be harnessed as a new form of alternative energy. And in 239 years of American history, who's the best woman to represent America on currency? Why it's Mike Huckabee's wife! GOOD ANSWER "DUCK HUNTER." What a colossal moron.

I did love Rand Paul pointing out the utter hypocrisy of everyone on the stage adamantly praising the 10th Amendment to keep liberals out of State's rights issues, then immediately turning around and saying they'd use the Federal government to enforce marijuana laws. What a bunch of pandering jackaninnies.

 

[cirrrocco]

propaganda for Carly has started in the media last night.. Media is so completely bought.. The nexus between politicians and the media is just insufferable

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I dont understand using Carlys business background as something to be proud. She oversaw a disastrous merger with Compaq. Anybody who followed the computing industry knew that was going to end badly, and it did.

Some see it differently.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...r-praises-carly-fiorinas-business-leadership/

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/05/news/meg-whitman-defends-carly-fiorina-hewlett-packard/

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/former-intel-ceo-defends-fiorinas-layoffs-at-hp/

 

[Hugo Drax]

BUSH III VS CLINTON II 2016

Just like Hollywood remakes.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Ben Carson won the debate IMO. Rand Paul though...its been two debates. He cant channel his inner Ron very well.

Black republican nominee is like Iran electing a jewish person from Israel for president. Not gonna happen. 2016 will just be your BUSH III vs CLINTON II event.

 

[K1052]

The more I hear Mike Huckabee speak, the more angry he makes me. He's such a flaming hypocrite and he seems to have absolutely no idea. The cognitive dissonance required to say that you're going to get rid of "activist judges" and replace them with people who agree with you about abortion and gun control could probably be harnessed as a new form of alternative energy. And in 239 years of American history, who's the best woman to represent America on currency? Why it's Mike Huckabee's wife! GOOD ANSWER "DUCK HUNTER." What a colossal moron.

I think what bothers me most is his absolute smugness and arrogance, I can only presume he thinks it comes across as confidence. I mean I find Santorum even more reprehensible ideologically (not by a huge margin) but at least he isn't an old, low information, self-important asshole sneering down while telling me what's in my best interest like I'm a child.

 

[LegendKiller]

So laughable that you think Obama is the worst president in the history of our country. Trump would be exponentially worse. He's all bluster and bloviating.

I wouldn't even go as far as to say Obama has been the worst foreign policy wise, but he hasnt been great.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I do believe that the move in oil and failure of Saudi to blunt it through opec is at least partially a bargain with Obama to check putin. If that's the case it is a brilliant long-game move.

As far as Trump bloviating. It's no worse than billery or bush. They may be more polished about it but it is the same, or worse, sewage spewing out.