CNN reports on debate lies

[Tripleshot]

Glenn1,

<<. Or think of it this way - when was the last time you saw a liberal volunteering to pay more in taxes than they were legally required to, in order to demonstrate their willingness to do their part to &quot;pay their fair share?&quot; >>


Can't think of one time I ever heard of a CONSERVITIVE volunteering to pay more either.

Isn't it a &quot;conservitive&quot; who is trying to unburden your taxes so you can contribute more to the economy ,thereby bringing down the national debt?

Gawd, I wish some body could coherently explain how that is going to work! I swear I heard Bush say that.:disgust:

 

[glenn1]

Red Dawn, understand, i wasn't trying to insult the man, i really wasn't. The arguments about &quot;paying their fair share&quot; sorta piss me off though. If someone is paying their required tax payments, then that IS their fair share. Personally, i think we ALL pay too much in taxes, in order to feed a government which has grown beyond any semblence of what is Constitutionally authorized, but that's another issue. I know there are inequalities and people in need in this country, but dammit people, give to charity, instead of looking to Uncle Sam to do it for you, and thus relieve you of any personal responsibility in the matter. May i recommend the U.S. Marine Corps Reserves &quot;Toys for Tots&quot; program. Fine program, about 99.97% efficient (that is, the amount of money used for overhead and expenses is miniscule).

Both sides could stand to step back from the rhetoric, and try opening up their own wallets, rather than the other taxpayers', rich or not.

 

[etech]

Looks like I hit a nerve with the socialists.

chess9, get a grip?, it looks like you have lost it bud. I don't know what the hell you are talking about and it is obvious you don't either. glenn1 has done a very admirable job of rebutting your drivel.

Tripleshot, Actually the last time I had seen the Communist manifesto was when it was posted at the library I worked at while I was going to high school. The more I have seen of yours and chess9's post the more it brought it back to mind. A quick web search and there you have it, Gores plan for the USA all laid out for you.

Tripleshot
&quot;Excuse me for making a judgement call,but I would think someone who holds that kind of garbage up as a defense for your position is a mental midget.I notice you do not list where you live in your profile,but I would sumise it is somewhere in an underground bus lined with survival gear and armed with all the weaponry to start outfit some third world rebels in South America.&quot;

That just goes to show when you are again losing a discussion you resort to personal attacks with no basis in fact. I'm sorry, but it is you who has lost all credibility. No, I do not excuse you, it is only the people with weak arguments who have to make up rubbish as you posted.

Tripleshot
&quot;Is that the crap you read to make value judgements about my country? You have the nerve to link that communist scare propiganda as proof for your political assertions?&quot;
Now it is your country? No, it is all of ours country, and yes if I feel that there is a threat to it I will defend it. When I see it going in a dangorous direction I will do my best under the political process to change it. Gore is leading the country to the failed system of socialism and communism. I served in the Navy and took an oath to defend the Constitution. I will continue. No name calling, no degeneration of those who disagree, just the facts as I see them.

So please answer the simple question. Whose plan more closely resembles the Communist Manifesto, Gores or Bushes?

 

[Tripleshot]

etech

What makes you think I'm losing a discusion? Who the hell are you? You are getting your head handed to you. I point out to you that your source is garbage,--you show us the reading material and source of your support for the garbage you try to call &quot;conservitive thinking&quot; and you think I'm losing a discusion? You are sick. I find that kind of thinking dispicable and you probably wouldn't be welcome in a debate on conservitism with republicans because your trash gives them a bad name.

Hell,your embarassing to republicans!

Go play with your guns in your survival bus.:disgust:

 

[etech]

Tripleshot, I think you are losing the discussion because you have refused to answer my question.

I'll repeat it for you. Is Bush or Gores plans for the United States closer to the Communist Manifesto?

I consider someone to be loseing when they resort to personal attacks without merit. It's obvious that you are losing in that respect.

&quot;Who are you?&quot;
I am a veteran of the Navy. A husband and father of two children. I work for a oil company(you already knew that).
I am also a firm believer that communism has failed, socialism has failed and it is my duty as a citizen to keep the USA from going down that path.

My source was from a search on the web. It had the Communist manifest o and was posted only to educate the few who were not aware of it.
Perhaps you have not lived long enough or have not been interested enough in world affairs to make yourself acquainted with it.

&quot;You are sick&quot;
Actually my health is quite fine, but thank you for your concern.

&quot;Hell,your embarassing to republicans!&quot;
And you and Gore would make Marx proud!

 

[DanC]

<< garbage you try to call &quot;conservitive thinking >>



Well.. you are losing the spelling contest.:Q

 

[etech]

Red, read my orginal post. I originally compared no one on this board to the communists. That was their spin to distract attention from the question I posed. Could it be they are afraid of the answer?

One more time. Are Bush or Gores plans for the USA closer to the Communists Manifesto.

It's a simple question really.

Red
&quot;I know Etech,that was a dirty shot and I'll admit it&quot;
It's ok Red, I would expect no less of you.

Should I put a smiley there?

 

[DanC]

<< Why would I take the time to decypher that? What would I have to gain buy doing that? >>



The opportunity to make a lucid vote comes to mind.

 

[Tripleshot]

DanC

<<Well.. you are losing the spelling contest>>

If thats my worst vice tonight,I'm lucky.


I do not touch type. I use my left and right pointing fingers to hit the keys and when typing fast,I do make errors. My bad. Sorry.

 

[DanC]

<< If thats my worst vice tonight,I'm lucky. >>


It's not... but I'm not in the mood to argue.

 

[etech]

Why would I take the time to decypher that? What would I have to gain buy doing that?

An awareness of some of the differences between the two candidates. Whether you are a fan of either one of them or not the fact remains that one of them will be our president for the next four years. I think it is a citizens duty to inform himself as best he can. I do find it interesting that one of their plans is strangely reminiscent of the tenants of the Communist manifesto. Since I am at least somewhat aware of the history of that failed system that is another fact to be added to the list in whom to choose in the election.

So the question remains, Is Gore or Bush's plan closer to the Communist Manifesto?

 

[DanC]

Red, you seem to have a little hostility going here.
Have you considered chilling just a wee bit. You'd not get such nasty responses if your posts weren't so inflammatory.

Bore is a pathological liar - vote for him if you must. It's your right.
Bush is the son of a former president, but also a governor - he's as qualified as slick willie was to hold the office.

Not much of a decision there.

 

[Tripleshot]

Etech

I don't feel your question merits a response.


<<I am a veteran of the Navy. A husband and father of two children. I work for a oil company(you already knew that). >>

Good.

I am a veteran &quot;Of the VIET NAM war&quot; USAF, Father of 7(4 boys and three girls)Grandfather of 6 grandsons , married for 30 years Self employed in the same business as Russ and Compuwhiz (I thought you knew that).




I am also a firm believer that communism has failed, socialism has failed and it is my duty as a citizen to keep the USA from going down that path.

OH?

I am a firm believer communism is alive and well in Cuba,China and a few other places on the planet,socialism is working for France, Canada and a few other countries and I feel it my duty as a citizen to keep the USA from going down the path of right wing wackos who think any one who is a democrat is a communist!

<<My source was from a search on the web. It had the Communist manifest o and was posted only to educate the few who were not aware of it.>>

The thought that you did a search for that disturbs me and obviously others who read it,judging from the response you have recieved.

<<Perhaps you have not lived long enough or have not been interested enough in world affairs to make yourself acquainted with it.

I'm 50 years old and keenly aware of affairs of the world. Why aren't you giving more attention to that SOB Molasevic stealing the election in Serbia, than perpetuating this low life attack on liberals?

<<Actually my health is quite fine, but thank you for your concern.>>

That is good! I wish you good health. I question your mental state,however,I am happy to retract my derogatory remark just as soon as you retract............


And you and Gore would make Marx proud!

Otherwise, quit trying to impress us with your lack of decorum.

 

[DanC]

Why such stalwart allegiance to the socialists? - it's mind-boggling.

Want higher taxes? - ME TOO - Vote Bore
Want another liar in the White House? - ME TOO - Vote Bore
Want socialism? - ME TOO! - Vote Bore
Want Bigger Government? - ME TOO! - Vote Bore

ad infinitum, ad nauseum...

 

[Mill]

<< whiping out Uncle Karl's Handbook >>



LMAO

 

[etech]

Red, to me it is a fundamental difference between the two candidates. It really is that simple. I am not one of those that believes the Federal government should be the mommy and daddy to us all or that it can or should try to solve all the worlds problems.
My point with the communist manifesto is just that simple. If you would take a look at Gores plans and the communist manifesto you would see a lot of similarities. We all know(or should know) what has happened to the communists economic plan. I don't want that to happen here.


Red
&quot;Your Grandstanding is good enough to impress a simpleton here and there but it's all grandstanding just the same.&quot;

What is that saying, something about a pot and a kettle?

 

[DanC]

etech - can I please have your autograph????

 

[Mill]

So Red who ARE you going to vote for?

 

[DanC]

Well Red - as you know, I respect you. (check your PM)
I WILL however Flame you as necessary

In a two-party system, you have just two choices. The Demos, have chosen to take the path of socialism.

This leaves only one choice. Your noble, and compelling defense of the man who invented the dog is good, but - your vote is nil if cast for other than R or D.

Until this country scraps this insipid electoral college system - this is what we're left with. I don't claim GW is the answer to all our problems... - but - that is not what I want from government.

 

[etech]

Tripleshot,
I don't feel your question merits a response.
And I believe you are afraid of posting the obvious answer.

Tripleshot
&quot;OH?&quot;
YES!

Tripleshot
&quot;I am a firm believer communism is alive and well in Cuba,China&quot;
That does show your leaning doesn't it. Should we discuss all the Cubans that have come to the US, hint, it's not because they liked to swim. China, forced abortions, slave labor camps, do I need to go on. Alive and well, sheesh.

Tripleshot
&quot;and a few other places on the planet,socialism is working for France, Canada and a few other countries and I feel it my duty as a citizen to keep the USA from going down the path of right wing wackos who think any one who is a democrat is a communist!&quot;

So what path do you want the US to go down? From your previous statement, it looks like you approve of the socialist doctrine.

Tripleshot
&quot;I'm 50 years old and keenly aware of affairs of the world. Why aren't you giving more attention to that SOB Molasevic stealing the election in Serbia, than perpetuating this low life attack on liberals?&quot;

Molasevic should be dealt with by the European community.
Low life attack on liberals? , I have explained it before and I say it again. I do not want the US to edge closer and closer to socialism.

And you and Gore would make Marx proud!
Retracted, actually Mussolini would have been a better choice.

 

[DanC]

Well... gee - as I pointed out - until Amerika does away with the two-party electoral college system, if you aren't voting for GW or Bore, save yourself the trip - and stay at home and watch TV.

Your vote counts not squat. Not my rule, theirs.

 

[Tripleshot]

etech

You just flat have a tough time dealing with reality, don't you?

Oh well, might as well get my sleep now. I don't want you to embarass yourself anymore trying to post cutsie replies to logical statements about the true state of affairs in the world.

I was right. You do have a mental problem. You think the sky is falling!LOL

Please warn us all when the black helicopters land.


Buwahahahahaha

 

[DanC]

Red -
As likewise explained via PM - I respect your views. While they are not my own... we need to all pull together in re-architecting the system. I favor a direct popular vote. the present system is BS, and I bet we agree on that!

 

[etech]

Evading the question and ignoring the issues is what I have come to expect from you Tripleshot.

It's the person who refuses to answer question that should be embarassed. I'll give you credit, you ducked and weaved and avoided answering as well as any skilled politician of either party.

Tripleshot
&quot;I was right. You do have a mental problem. You think the sky is falling!LOL
Please warn us all when the black helicopters land&quot;

Nice try at innuendo, but it kind of proves my point, when you have no answers and no defense you go on the personal attack. Typical.


Nite Red. Tripleshot makes it look easy.

 

[ElFenix]

DanC, 3rd parties have played important roles in the past in moving the major parties toward other goals. the most prominent example of this is the populist party of the south in the late 1800s. the democrats were losing seats to the populists, so the dems moved to adopt many of the populists stances. 3rd parties also highlight &quot;issues&quot; that the majors wouldn't have talked about. perot in 1992 emphasized the tremendous debt, possibly taking a toll on bush. not only 3rd parties, but &quot;rebel&quot; candidates, such as john mccain. mccain stressed campaign finance reform, and now bore and shrub are talking about it. bore says the first thing he'll do is send the mccain bill to congress. 3rd parties do have an effect. also, because of federal election rules, if your vote helps get a party past 5% nationally, say the greens this year, then that party will get federal funds in the next election. (issues is in quotes because i'm pretty sure that most issues are like things at radio shack, you didn't know you needed them)