CNN reports new survey shows rising discontent with U.S.

JellyBaby

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Survey shows rising discontent with U.S.
The survey found that since 2000, favorable ratings for the United States have fallen in 20 of the 27 countries for which the previous data was available.
In times past the world was so impressed with us one of it's larger nations gave us a rather large statue which we placed in New York's harbor.

What has changed and why is this happening?
 

Scarpozzi

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I just voted that I love it.....I think all the ATer's that agree should vote too. :)
 

JellyBaby

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jjones, I noticed that but I'm confused by the later statement:
Vietnam was the only country in which a majority of respondents -- 51 percent -- said they had a positive view of the state of the world.
Seems contradictory.
 

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That poll on CNN isn't too biased, eh? I had to say love it, because if I felt any differently I wouldn't be living here. Not that it's necessarily the best nation in the world, but it's not THAT far behind Canada ;)
 

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Hey you 'Nucks better watch what you are saying. You wouldn't want us to blow up your tank now, would ya?;)
 

desy

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Canadian forces are just fine
This week one of our Regular Force infantry battalions (PPCLI) received official recognition 10 years too late for a battle they won in Bosnia. A Serb force tried to do some ethnic cleansing and the battalion was sent to create a buffer. The Serb commander figured Canadians would negotiate but not fight, and his guys had been in battle before whereas ours had not, so he attacked. The battle raged for a while and in the end the Serbs withdrew leaving 28 or so dead and unknown wounded. We had four wounded.

Seems that when it happened some federal politician thought it was undignified that the Canadian Army, known to him/her as Peacekeepers, should have actually killed people in battle. So it was covered up from Canadians.

I love the States, currently pissed at some current trade policies but tit for tat no big deal. .
 

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Originally posted by: desy
Canadian forces are just fine
This week one of our Regular Force infantry battalions (PPCLI) received official recognition 10 years too late for a battle they won in Bosnia. A Serb force tried to do some ethnic cleansing and the battalion was sent to create a buffer. The Serb commander figured Canadians would negotiate but not fight, and his guys had been in battle before whereas ours had not, so he attacked. The battle raged for a while and in the end the Serbs withdrew leaving 28 or so dead and unknown wounded. We had four wounded.

Seems that when it happened some federal politician thought it was undignified that the Canadian Army, known to him/her as Peacekeepers, should have actually killed people in battle. So it was covered up from Canadians.

I love the States, currently pissed at some current trade policies but tit for tat no big deal. .
Good story about the Canadians. Of course if the Liberals would give them a little more money for equipment it would have been two Canadians wounded with 59 serbs dead :D
 

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Originally posted by: desy
Canadian forces are just fine
This week one of our Regular Force infantry battalions (PPCLI) received official recognition 10 years too late for a battle they won in Bosnia. A Serb force tried to do some ethnic cleansing and the battalion was sent to create a buffer. The Serb commander figured Canadians would negotiate but not fight, and his guys had been in battle before whereas ours had not, so he attacked. The battle raged for a while and in the end the Serbs withdrew leaving 28 or so dead and unknown wounded. We had four wounded.

Seems that when it happened some federal politician thought it was undignified that the Canadian Army, known to him/her as Peacekeepers, should have actually killed people in battle. So it was covered up from Canadians.

I love the States, currently pissed at some current trade policies but tit for tat no big deal. .


Did the government up there finally agree to allow the US to give the Bronze Star with "V" for valor to the Canadian sniper team for its action in Afghanistan? Or are the politicians still embarassed about that as well ?

 

desy

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No, as far as I know they don't have it yet which is kind of a surprise as they let them in the past :confused:

But the current gov't doesn't like ANYTHING to take the sunshine off of them. Like any party thats been in too long, too full of emselves
Stay tuned, our current gun control legislation is taking hits! its not on the ropes yet but definatley getting sicker. . .
Big vote tommorrow so we'll see how that goes :)

 

desy

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Wheather or not to give em another 72 million since they have sqaundered a billion already
It was supposed to cost two million with registering fees to cover the costs.
They didn't count on mass non-compliance or the huge task they tried to undertake.

The Auditor General?s report won?t tell you, so I?ll try to give you a snapshot of what taxpayers got for their billion-dollar ?investment? in the Liberals? gun registration scheme. The most important question now is, will the Liberals waste another billion before they actually admit the complete and utter failure of their gun registry to do anything to reduce the criminal use of firearms?

(1) Taxpayers got a gun registry that concentrates almost exclusively on law-abiding, responsible hunters and sport shooters instead of criminals, gangs, smugglers and terrorists;

(2) taxpayers got a gun registry that has so infuriated the provincial and territorial governments that eight of them have opted out of the administration of the gun registry and the Western provinces refuse to enforce it;

(3) taxpayers got a gun registry that doesn?t keep track of the current addresses of the 131,000 persons prohibited from owning firearms and fails to check if their guns have been removed from their possession;

(4) taxpayers got a new gun registry based on the failed 68-year-old legally-owned handgun registry that has seen a steady increase in firearms homicides committed with handguns from 27% in 1974 to 58% in 2000. Statistics Canada also reported that between 1997 and 2001, 74% of the handguns recovered from the scenes of 143 homicides were NOT registered;

(5) taxpayers got a gun registry that is attempting to register all the legally-owned long guns in Canada while Statistics Canada tables show that firearms homicides with rifles and shotguns that have never been registered dropped steadily over the last 27 years, from 64% to 31%;

(6) taxpayers got a gun registry that has licenced only 2 million of Canada?s 3.3 million gun owners and as of February 27, 2002, had already lost track of 38,000 of them;

(7) taxpayers got a gun registry that has only registered 5 million of the estimated 16.5 million guns in Canada;

(8) taxpayers got a gun registry that has a firearms licence refusal and revocation rate that is one half the results achieved with the 23-year-old Firearms Acquisition Certificate program;

(9) taxpayers got a gun registry that issued 5 million registration certificates that don?t even have the gun owners? name on them. Eighteen million vehicle registrations have the owners? names;

(10) taxpayers got a gun registry with 3.2 million registration certificates with blank and unknown entries ? three-quarters of a million with no serial numbers;

(11) taxpayers got a gun registry that admits to issuing 15,381 firearms licences to persons with no proof of having passed a firearms safety course;

(12) taxpayers got a registry that admits to issuing 26,800 duplicate Firearms Registration Certificates, issuing 832 duplicate firearms licences and issuing 259 firearms licences with the wrong photograph;

(13) taxpayers got a gun registry that prohibited more than 568,000 legally owned and registered firearms, but left police without the resources necessary to combat the criminal use of illegally-owned firearms in our major cities;

(14) taxpayers got a gun registry that has increased red tape and the regulatory cost of buying a hunting rifle to $279.00 which in turn has driven hundreds of thousands of hunters out of their sport and cost our economy many millions;

(15) taxpayers got a gun registry that hands out boxes of ammunition to Aboriginal people who do NOT hold a valid firearms licence; and finally,

(16) taxpayers got a gun registry that will never do what the government promised - namely, tell police where the guns are.



 

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Well you can blame the majority of Canadians who continue to vote Liberal for that waste of money. Change is risky, and the Canadian mass in great part is unwilling to take any risk for a better government, and so you have a grossly and pathetically underfunded military and other embarassing things like $1B on something that hasn't even been finished and is so simple as registering for a firearm - something that most Canadians don't even have. What a WASTE of money.
 

JellyBaby

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desy, I take you're not one who would claim government bureacracy is the ultimate efficiency?
 

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Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Survey shows rising discontent with U.S.
The survey found that since 2000, favorable ratings for the United States have fallen in 20 of the 27 countries for which the previous data was available.
In times past the world was so impressed with us one of it's larger nations gave us a rather large statue which we placed in New York's harbor.

What has changed and why is this happening?

GW Bush.
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well you can blame the majority of Canadians who continue to vote Liberal for that waste of money. Change is risky, and the Canadian mass in great part is unwilling to take any risk for a better government, and so you have a grossly and pathetically underfunded military and other embarassing things like $1B on something that hasn't even been finished and is so simple as registering for a firearm - something that most Canadians don't even have. What a WASTE of money.

We have more firearms per-capita than the US.
 

desy

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No, and I work for the gov't ;)
But I put in over 15 years with the private industry too. As soon as you get into any large organization effeciency starts to go , offset by economies of scale.
The difference between gov't and private is once private gets too ineffecient it collapses under its own weight or does some major cost cutting.
Gov't just increases taxes or neglects things like infastructure cause it isn't glamourous enough to get votes.

I think your gov't is going to take some world heat but the survey says most still support the US and as a Canadian I wholehearted do.
Face it, open war makes most countries with something to lose nervous.
Our economies and lifestyles are too similar and for as much b1tching that Canada is a socialized state that is incorrect, a soldier is a gov't worker of which you have many more of those than we do, we spend more per capita than the US on education but less on health our Unionionized workers is about 33% everybody else isn't.
Yours used to be about 24% its since dropped.
For all the wind blowing back and forth across these forums there isn't a whole heck of a lot of diff betwixt a Canuck or American
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: desy
No, and I work for the gov't ;)
But I put in over 15 years with the private industry too. As soon as you get into any large organization effeciency starts to go , offset by economies of scale.
The difference between gov't and private is once private gets too ineffecient it collapses under its own weight or does some major cost cutting.
Gov't just increases taxes or neglects things like infastructure cause it isn't glamourous enough to get votes.

I think your gov't is going to take some world heat but the survey says most still support the US and as a Canadian I wholehearted do.
Face it, open war makes most countries with something to lose nervous.
Our economies and lifestyles are too similar and for as much b1tching that Canada is a socialized state that is incorrect, a soldier is a gov't worker of which you have many more of those than we do, we spend more per capita than the US on education but less on health our Unionionized workers is about 33% everybody else isn't.
Yours used to be about 24% its since dropped.
For all the wind blowing back and forth across these forums there isn't a whole heck of a lot of diff betwixt a Canuck or American

Where's your winky face? If there's no difference, how come I can spot one a block away? Especially the female variety?