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JackBurton

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I don't think Jack is claiming that Apple invented smartphones or tablets. What he is saying is that their products were the products that saw massive adoption and propelled those product categories forward, and I agree.

Apple did not invent smartphone or tablets and no one is claiming they did. There were tablet PCs long before the iPad but they all failed badly due to high cost and usability issues. Smartphones existed long before the iPhone but they were clunky (see Windows CE devices) or too limited in their internet capabilities (see RIM devices).

Exactly. With Apple haters, it's either they are too dumb that they can't see the bigger picture, or they just refuse to acknowledge Steve's HUGE accomplishments because of their blind unreasonable hatred for him.

No, Apple did not invent the smart phone, tablet, MP3 player or music, they just revolutionized those products in a way that took them to the next level and finally made all the tech specs practical and usable for people.

I was never really a fan of Apple products before the iPod. Apple was a little niche company that was barely getting by, but definitely had their fan base even then. At that time I had several MP3 players that were just fine with me. But then Apple released the iPod, and my reaction was, "FINALLY! This is what an MP3 player should be." And THAT is what started Apple's rise to success. A little MP3 player.

They then took that success, and took the next logical step, music. At a time where just about EVERYONE was downloading music for free, Apple took on the MONUMENTAL task of developing a business model that would get people to buy music again. And iTunes did just that, and has been amazing ever since. Is iTunes perfect? No. But the evolution of iTunes has been great and quite honestly, there is currently nothing around that can touch it. I just tried iTunes Match a few days ago, and it is awesome!

Then came the iPhone. Apple's FIRST shot at making a phone and it absolutely blew everything out of the water and again my reaction was, "FINALLY, this is how a smart phone should be done." Before Apple's entry in the phone market, smart phones were boring and basically reserved for business purposes (voice and email). RIM was the dominant force in the business world, with "smart phones" being introduced by HP, Palm, and some other companies. All horrible, and could never get it right. There was always something lacking, and a sense that there was no real direction for their products. On the consumer side, the trend was smaller phones with better camera specs. "Oh, Nokia is releasing a phone with a 2MP camera! How awesome!!" Apple came in and basically said, "THIS is what we think a smart phone should be." And with that, CONSUMERS started buying smart phones and the shift happened almost overnight from thin small phones to iPhones (smart phones). And Apple single-handedly created that shift.

Next surprise from Apple, the MacBook Air. Again, Apple didn't invent ultralight laptops, they just redefined them. With the MacBook Air, even the Apple haters couldn't deny the cool factor. It was just an amazing technical accomplishment, and again, it seemed it was left up to Apple to take an existing product to the next level.

Next mountain to climb for Apple, tablets. NO company would even dare take on creating a tablet at that time. As far as everyone was concerned, the tablet market was DEAD. As in dead, NO WAY to revive it. It's been tried SEVERAL times with absolutely no success. Not even close. Then comes Apple and they cracked the code. It was really simple, but you just had to step away and really see what the problem was. Manufactures kept trying to force a desktop OS on a tablet, which just doesn't work. Apple (Steve) looked at it as a totally separate device, that is used in a very different way. So he took a mobile OS on the phone, and slapped it on a tablet and BAM, code cracked! Apple AGAIN had another instant hit on their hands.

And Apple wasn't done yet. Their next big product, iCloud. When they released iCloud, I didn't see it as just another product. I saw it as the highway that connected all their products and way to not only create more revenue for that product, but also another reason to keep buying even more Apple products. It was just a genius move. And again, no other company could have pulled that off. Do other companies have cloud storage? Yes. But not the way Apple has integrated it into their products.


The great thing about Apple is, they don't think like other companies. They definitely have a direction/vision of how their products need to evolve. The market doesn't dictate how they operate, they dictate how the market operates. They lead, and the market follows. And THAT is the difference between Apple and just about any company out there. That being said, I think Steve Jobs WAS Apple, and I have my doubts with how Apple will continue with Tim at the helm.
 
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CraigRT

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At the time, people including many here, laughed at both the iPhone and iPad. They loved their blackberry's with a keyboard and they had netbooks(tablet market was dead) and laptops so who needs a tablet with everyone making fun of the name.

I'm a Blackberry Bold user and I love the keyboard. I also own 2 Thinkpads, 1 full size and 1 X series. No tablets. All that other shit is useless.
 

SSSnail

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I have a first gen iPod Nano for music and a company BlackBerry. Did you guess right?

I don't need to own ANY Apple products though to see the massive influence Steve had on the industry.

I swear I read somewhere on this forum, by your own admission, that you own other iDevices, my mistake.
 

CountZero

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1) If you are the underdog steal as much as you can to stay alive.
2) If you are leading and someone else steals go completely nuclear against them until you have as little competition as possible.
3) Innovation is 4 parts form + 3 parts walled garden/propriety + 1 part function + 1 part traditional innovation
4) Timing is everything. Having a great product but no market is the same as having no product.
5) Most revolutionary products are really just evolution of existing niche products.

Overall Steve Jobs was a good business man with a fair sense of design and how to capture a market. Just watching him work one of those release announcements shows how much of the circus ring leader he had (or some would say how much of the snake oil salesman he had) in him. Like many good business men he was a self centered d-bag that thought he knew best which was reflected in his walled garden/proprietary control everything approach. It is also reflected in the idea that when he stole he was being Robin Hood but when others steal they are Somali pirates.
 

cheezy321

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That haters raging on the internet have to be the most useless people in the world
 

zinfamous

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I learned that I can dick my way to the top.




(Though it must require something more, something very special....b/c I'm nowhere near the top of anything, yet. :\)
 

waggy

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Jobs was a briliant businessman. he was able to convince millions that without apple we wouldn't have smartphones, MP3 players and tablets.


He was able to take a product and make it better hell no doubt about that. Yes we would have smartphones. Would they look exactly like they do now? no but i bet pretty damn close. there are only so many workable ways to do it.

BUT apple was the 1st to make it world wide and acceptable. NOT just a tech/nerds toy. Same with MP3 players and the tablet.
 

blankslate

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Oh boy. That its okay to steal ideas, then sue the original inventors. That its okay to wage litigation war when you can't complete in the fair market. That its always the customer's fault when the iDevice doesn't work. That its okay to take advantage of state law loop holes to drive a car without a license plate. That its okay to be a billionaire and not donate a penny to any charities. That its okay to take advantage of organ donor laws and utilize private jet to get an liver transplant ahead of others.

^these.

Not to mention that it's ok to screw your associate and real technical brains Steve Wozniak out of his share of the profits for the "greater good"


It seems that enough time has (thankfully) passed that we can finally call out this inventive ass for all the dipshit moves he pulled with people.

Yeah, there probably is a market for electronics for the less technically inclined.
Although the move to a unix based OS was a good one as a selling point who want to work with one.
Too bad Steve Jobs was the one to benefit from getting into that market.

But the fact is, no one else did.

Yeah we would have had to wait longer for affordable smart phones as we know them now but there were already glimmerings of ideas before steve jobs introduced the iphone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada

After a touch screen phone is successful it's a matter of time before a tablet is introduced.

Dell introduced a 5 inch android based phone a while back that if it had been any larger could have blurred the lines between smart phones and tablets.

Yeah, he was a design genius. But he stood on the shoulders of people who had the technical know how to make his ideas work.

"With Apple haters"...

Maybe if he wasn't such a dick, I'd appreciate his talents more.


That being said, I think Steve Jobs WAS Apple, and I have my doubts with how Apple will continue with Tim at the helm.

Dare I say good riddance?
 
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HeXen

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Don't forget, Apple actually made desktops far prettier to look at. Back then we had a bunch of beige rectangular boxes..most every PC desktop was was a horrid Biege with tons of stickers saying AMD,WIndows...etc.
Windows 98 was as bland to look at as could be, which turns out people did care about having something stylish for their home. No one wanted a large desk with lots of large, square and beige boxes, wires all over the place sitting in their living room

Apple made an interesting, more cleaner look, nice rounded corners..etc. The same with their OS which really helped get them rolling. Soon everyone jumped on and made...well different colored, squared off boxes but at least it got something done and the DIY'ers had more stylish boxes to choose from even if they all looked like Voltron's head at the time.
 

ultimatebob

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That mediocre products with slick marketing and good press coverage will beat out cheaper and more functional products most of the time.

Oh... and being an asshole boss who treats their employees like slave labor is surprisingly effective if you can brainwash them into thinking that their project is "insanely great"
 

blankslate

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That mediocre products with slick marketing and good press coverage will beat out cheaper and more functional products most of the time. Oh... and being an asshole boss who treats their employees like slave labor is surprisingly effective if you can brainwash them into thinking that their project is "insanely great"

This.

You don't have to be well liked to make it big.

Bill Gates wasn't well liked either and did some questionable things during his tenure as CEO of MS. However, Mr. Gates apparently has a better idea of what noblesse oblige is than Steve Jobs did.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong in the future, we shall see.
 

SlitheryDee

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Feb 2, 2005
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This.



Bill Gates wasn't well liked either and did some questionable things during his tenure as CEO of MS. However, Mr. Gates apparently has a better idea of what noblesse oblige is than Steve Jobs did.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong in the future, we shall see.

I don't see noblesse oblige being material in this argument. Neither of them seemed to claim nobility. One gave a lot more to charity, but I'm never going to blame someone for not giving to charity. Earn it and do with it what you will.
 

rchiu

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Well Steve Job taught us techies that having good technology is not enough, you need to dumb it down and make it pretty to sell to teenagers, women and cappuccino sippers to make the big buck.

He was definitely an extremely successful business man, hard driven project manager and a god if you are an Apple Stock holder. But to the rest of the humanity, good mp3 player, phone to do more FB and Tweet, fancy ebook reader/web surfer, don't exactly advance our civilization that much.

And yes, I am sick of people with zero tech knowledge, including bunch of chic on dates, asking what I think about Steve Job.
 

disappoint

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Meh, maybe we wouldn't have iPhone-style smartphones, but we'd have something else that was also awesome. Steve didn't have a monopoly on innovation OR marketing.

It's a natural progression, as microprocessors became more powerful, smaller and more energy efficient, that we would have handheld computer phones.
 

dr150

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Steve Jobs taught me to surround myself with A-team players.


Steve Jobs taught me that if you're the boss, you can act like a total douche slave task master to your A-Team guys and get away with it with a pittance of stock options relative to the work they were doing. :colbert:
 

disappoint

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I don't see noblesse oblige being material in this argument. Neither of them seemed to claim nobility. One gave a lot more to charity, but I'm never going to blame someone for not giving to charity. Earn it and do with it what you will.

Sounds like in your book the grinch, ebenezer scrooge and santy clause are all one and the same. Are you a Mittens Wrongney voter too?
 

disappoint

Lifer
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Speaking of dicks: That I was holding my pen0r wrong in public, because it didn't get a good reception.
 

SlitheryDee

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Sounds like in your book the grinch, ebenezer scrooge and santy clause are all one and the same. Are you a Mittens Wrongney voter too?

All people who didnt give stuff to other people for doing nothing. That's really not a world that makes sense ultimately. I'm no Scrooge, but I'm pragmatic enough to know that reward without effort isn't good in the long run.
 
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