CNN Interviewee: Apple Knows What I Want Before I Do

[dwell]

Ok, lets consider taking that bet. I'll even let you define "new class of product". So, what is your definition.

We won't know the answer to that question for a while. My best guess is something that combines netbook + tablet + eReader in a sensible way. Possibly using the AppStore model for software distribution.

The iPhone was certainly a new class of product, not just a smartphone. I mean, before there were smart phones, micro-computers, and app stores, but nobody tied them together into a new product like Apple did.

 

[dwell]

Make up your mind.

I don't see a contradiction there. They are not pulling a new product out of the ether, rather they combine and refine multiple pre-existing classes of product that are not entirely successful on their own into a new class of product. It's been my point all along.

 

[herkulease]

I find it funny the tech world is like the fashion. Tablets were tried years ago and didn't succeed. Ereaders and now tablets are taking the market by storm. Granted the fastest processors then are junky ones today and prices have dropped significantly. I wonder what device that failed years ago will be tried again next.

 

[ShawnD1]

99 cents per track is ludicrous.

What? No it isn't. I remember paying $15 for a CD that has maybe 3 good songs on it. Most CDs are like that. Albums like Thriller where most of the songs are good are incredibly rare.

Android is a great product and technically speaking, is a viable alternative

You people keep using this term "viable alternative" and I don't understand what you're talking about. Alternative to what? I've never owned a real smartphone and I've never had a problem. Even my shitty ghetto phone from 5 years ago did everything I wanted - made calls, text people (T9 supported), and had mobile internet. After that I had a phone that did all of that as well as play mp3, wma, and has an FM transmitter. After that I got a phone that has even more memory, is faster, has higher resolution, does everything the previous phone did except for the FM transmitter, and has a touch screen as well as a full keyboard. It's still not a smartphone and it still works.

 

[zinfamous]

whoa...should have known that i stepped into a classic troll bout.

/bows out quickly.

 

[dullard]

We won't know the answer to that question for a while.

The definition of a phrase can be known now. You used the phrase in fact. Thus, you must have a definition of it. Thus, define it for all of us to see.

Then when the tablet comes out, we can see if it meets that definition. It appears instead you want the tablet to come out then to make a definition that fits the tablet. That isn't the way things work. Give us your rating system FIRST then we'll rate products with that system.

And we can apply that definition to the iPhone and other products mentioned in this thread.

 

[Agentbolt]

What? No it isn't. I remember paying $15 for a CD that has maybe 3 good songs on it. Most CDs are like that. Albums like Thriller where most of the songs are good are incredibly rare.



You people keep using this term "viable alternative" and I don't understand what you're talking about. Alternative to what? I've never owned a real smartphone and I've never had a problem. Even my shitty ghetto phone from 5 years ago did everything I wanted - made calls, text people (T9 supported), and had mobile internet. After that I had a phone that did all of that as well as play mp3, wma, and has an FM transmitter. After that I got a phone that has even more memory, is faster, has higher resolution, does everything the previous phone did except for the FM transmitter, and has a touch screen as well as a full keyboard. It's still not a smartphone and it still works.

Dude Android has serious technical limitations. ~256mb of install space for ALL of your apps. Fragmented user base in a way Apple couldn't dream of in their worst nightmares.

 

[dullard]

Dude Android has serious technical limitations. ~256mb of install space for ALL of your apps. Fragmented user base in a way Apple couldn't dream of in their worst nightmares.

You still dont' get it. You install the APP to your drive then run it from the 256 mb of space. Duh. Just like computers - you install programs on computers to lets say 500 GB of hard drive space and run it from say 4 GB of memory. You don't usually install programs on a computer to the memory.

The fragmented user base is true though (but it is true of most markets other than highly controlled markets like Apple usually goes for).

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I don't see a contradiction there.

I know you don't.

 

[ShawnD1]

Dude Android has serious technical limitations. ~256mb of install space for ALL of your apps. Fragmented user base in a way Apple couldn't dream of in their worst nightmares.

That's straight up ghetto. My phone is a pile of shit but it has a 4gb micro SD in it. Opera Mini takes less than 1mb of that space

 

[Zebo]

Nothing Apple will ever do again will have the impact the iPod did. The iPhone is merely the evolution of the iPod in a lot of ways, formed to a phone. This iSlate thing won't come close to either of them. That last sentence says insane to me.

Ever? That's a long fuckin time dude and I would take that bet.Apples got some smart people working there.

 

[Agentbolt]

You still dont' get it. You install the APP to your drive then run it from the 256 mb of space. Duh. Just like computers - you install programs on computers to lets say 500 GB of hard drive space and run it from say 4 GB of memory. You don't usually install programs on a computer to the memory.

The fragmented user base is true though (but it is true of most markets other than highly controlled markets like Apple usually goes for).

No, I DO get it, I know most of the code can be on the SD card. Do you really think programming it like that is easy? Or that the APP isn't going to be a couple of megs even if you do offload the media to the SD card?

There's a reason that the Android platform is a games wasteland. Apple had a ton of games out by the first year the App store was out. And you're kind of discounting the fragmentation aspect out of hand, it is KILLING android app development

 

[dwell]

The definition of a phrase can be known now. You used the phrase in fact. Thus, you must have a definition of it. Thus, define it for all of us to see.

Then when the tablet comes out, we can see if it meets that definition. It appears instead you want the tablet to come out then to make a definition that fits the tablet. That isn't the way things work. Give us your rating system FIRST then we'll rate products with that system.

And we can apply that definition to the iPhone and other products mentioned in this thread.

By "new class of product" I mean a product that creates an entirely new market.

iPod->pay for digital music
iPhone->App Store
Kindle->eBook market
Apple Tablet->????

And yes, in the examples above those particular markets existed before in some form, but the prior execution was so flawed that the aforementioned products get full credit for the actual definition of the new product/market class.

 

[Deeko]

Dude Android has serious technical limitations. ~256mb of install space for ALL of your apps. Fragmented user base in a way Apple couldn't dream of in their worst nightmares.

I don't understand why people don't understand how that works out. The only thing that needs to go in the phone's space is the core executable - which is generally very small. All the supporting files can then be downloaded by the app to the 16GB SD card.

For example - Doom for Android - it was only a few hundred K if I recall, and then all the level and sound data got downloaded to the card (a few dozen megs).

Maybe the hardware creators should make phones with more onboard memory just to shut up this non-issue, its not like you can store apps on the SD card on the iPhone.

 

[dullard]

No, I DO get it, I know most of the code can be on the SD card. Do you really think programming it like that is easy? Or that the APP isn't going to be a couple of megs even if you do offload the media to the SD card?

There's a reason that the Android platform is a games wasteland. Apple had a ton of games out by the first year the App store was out. And you're kind of discounting the fragmentation aspect out of hand, it is KILLING android app development

Yes, it is fairly easy to program where you store your data on a drive (most programs on most devices are written like that). I've written many programs like that (but I've never tried any programming for any phone). A couple of megs is no problem if you have 256 to work with. What, are you complaining that you can only run 100 programs simultaneously? Not that this one phone is the only Android model in existance either.


Fragmentation is a problem. But with 20,000 apps already, it doesn't seem to be that bad for app development. Sure Apple is ahead in that count, but does that really make any difference?

 

[Deeko]

No, I DO get it, I know most of the code can be on the SD card. Do you really think programming it like that is easy? Or that the APP isn't going to be a couple of megs even if you do offload the media to the SD card?

There's a reason that the Android platform is a games wasteland. Apple had a ton of games out by the first year the App store was out. And you're kind of discounting the fragmentation aspect out of hand, it is KILLING android app development

This is getting off topic so it will be my last post on the subject, but...yea, that kind of programming is easy, what makes it difficult? Just change the path...and as for fragmentation, a lot of issues occur when devs wrote games for the G1 that used hardware, and then the myTouch and Hero came out without keyboards. The simple solution for a game dev that's worried about fragmentation is to make games touch based - they all have capacative touch screens and accelerometers.

 

[dullard]

By "new class of product" I mean a product that creates an entirely new market.

iPod->pay for digital music
iPhone->App Store
Kindle->eBook market
Apple Tablet->????

And yes, in the examples above those particular markets existed before in some form, but the prior execution was so flawed that the aforementioned products get full credit for the actual definition of the new product/market class.

Ah, nice cover up. Apple is the creater of a new class in your mind because while Apple wasn't first, they were better. So, should we define a new class as "not new but better"?

 

[dwell]

Ah, nice cover up. Apple is the creater of a new class in your mind because while Apple wasn't first, they were better. So, should we define a new class as "not new but better"?

No, it's not just about being better. It's about figuring out where the deficiencies are in the current market or combining several weak markets, introducing a splash of innovation, and the ability to market it all.

Tivo did not invent the DVR (that would be Echostar) but they are credited with creating the market.

 

[BoberFett]

I was interested in the Crunchpad when it was a $300 touchscreen web device. $1000 for a 10 inch iPod Touch? I don't think so.

My hardware is commodity level stuff. I'm not trying to impress people I don't know with my choice in computing devices like some lame ass Jobs nuthugging Apple fanboy sitting in a Starbucks making sure the Apple logos are visible from all possible angles. I want my devices to be cheap and simple.

 

[herkulease]

No, it's not just about being better. It's about figuring out where the deficiencies are in the current market or combining several weak markets, introducing a splash of innovation, and the ability to market it all.

Tivo did not invent the DVR (that would be Echostar) but they are credited with creating the market.

I could've sworn that ReplayTV and Tivo came out before dish network/echostar came out with theirs. Dish Network was 1st to provide tv services with a DVR though.

 

[AMDZen]

I could've sworn that ReplayTV and Tivo came out before dish network/echostar came out with theirs. Dish Network was 1st to provide tv services with a DVR though.

Exactly, you are correct. More proof that Dwell has no clue what he/she is talking about, Apple fanbois rarely do

 

[Fizzorin]

No, it's not just about being better. It's about figuring out where the deficiencies are in the current market or combining several weak markets, introducing a splash of innovation, and the ability to market it all.

Tivo did not invent the DVR (that would be Echostar) but they are credited with creating the market.

By that logic Google "created the market" for search engines even though Yahoo!, AskJeeves, Alta Vista, Lycos, Magellan, Web Crawler, Infoseek et al were around first.

 

[dwell]

Exactly, you are correct. More proof that Dwell has no clue what he/she is talking about, Apple fanbois rarely do

It's debatable that Echostar invented the technology along with Microsoft. There was a whole court case around it.

And AMD fanboys shouldn't knock, like, anyone.

 

[dwell]

By that logic Google "created the market" for search engines even though Yahoo!, AskJeeves, Alta Vista, Lycos, Magellan, Web Crawler, Infoseek et al were around first.

I agree. Search was for shit until Google came around. There's a reason that the word "Google" is an official verb in the Oxford English Dictionary.

 

[3chordcharlie]

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Classic.

Of course, I'll never give up my "i"

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