C'mon... Vote to impeach Bush

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Minkee

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
It's all about the economy. Clinton had a good economy and that's why he had two terms. With this economy, Bush might not win the next election.

For the love of God he better not. I swear if he is considered a hero, I am moving to canada. I am so poor because of this man being in office. I can't get a job, I can't get any grants or loans and my parents are in a crap situation all together. They used to be the 3rd highest grossing realtors in San Antonio until this past year. They lost a substantal amount of sales due to the economy drop. Its so bad that my mom had to go get another job and stop working with my dad. She has been working with him since the first Bush was in office. During Clinton's time we were doing much better. Sure the taxes weren't great for the self employed, but the economy was at least stable.

Minkee I'm just curious...

Why can't you acquire any school loans? I'm always amazed when people spout off that they can't get money for college, because it's out there if you apply. I'm not a minority, but yet my classes were paid for with loans and some grants, and on top of that I got 2 refrund checks averaging $3,800.00 a piece. Maybe it's because of my income. I live on my own and made $12,000.00 last year. I guess I'm considered at the poverty level? Who knows?? My dad made close to $200,000 last year, but luckily he doesn't get factored into the equation.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Minkee

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
It's all about the economy. Clinton had a good economy and that's why he had two terms. With this economy, Bush might not win the next election.

For the love of God he better not. I swear if he is considered a hero, I am moving to canada. I am so poor because of this man being in office. I can't get a job, I can't get any grants or loans and my parents are in a crap situation all together. They used to be the 3rd highest grossing realtors in San Antonio until this past year. They lost a substantal amount of sales due to the economy drop. Its so bad that my mom had to go get another job and stop working with my dad. She has been working with him since the first Bush was in office. During Clinton's time we were doing much better. Sure the taxes weren't great for the self employed, but the economy was at least stable.

Minkee I'm just curious...

Why can't you acquire any school loans? I'm always amazed when people spout off that they can't get money for college, because it's out there if you apply. I'm not a minority, but yet my classes were paid for with loans and some grants, and on top of that I got 2 refrund checks averaging $3,800.00 a piece. Maybe it's because of my income. I live on my own and made $12,000.00 last year. I guess I'm considered at the poverty level? Who knows?? My dad made close to $200,000 last year, but luckily he doesn't get factored into the equation.

Yeah, I worked my ass off with minimum wage jobs and avoid school loans all together. It pisses me off when folks say they cant do it without help.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Minkee

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
It's all about the economy. Clinton had a good economy and that's why he had two terms. With this economy, Bush might not win the next election.

For the love of God he better not. I swear if he is considered a hero, I am moving to canada. I am so poor because of this man being in office. I can't get a job, I can't get any grants or loans and my parents are in a crap situation all together. They used to be the 3rd highest grossing realtors in San Antonio until this past year. They lost a substantal amount of sales due to the economy drop. Its so bad that my mom had to go get another job and stop working with my dad. She has been working with him since the first Bush was in office. During Clinton's time we were doing much better. Sure the taxes weren't great for the self employed, but the economy was at least stable.

Minkee I'm just curious...

Why can't you acquire any school loans? I'm always amazed when people spout off that they can't get money for college, because it's out there if you apply. I'm not a minority, but yet my classes were paid for with loans and some grants, and on top of that I got 2 refrund checks averaging $3,800.00 a piece. Maybe it's because of my income. I live on my own and made $12,000.00 last year. I guess I'm considered at the poverty level? Who knows?? My dad made close to $200,000 last year, but luckily he doesn't get factored into the equation.

Yeah, I worked my ass off with minimum wage jobs and avoid school loans all together. It pisses me off when folks say they cant do it without help.

It pisses me off that some people whose parents make 200K/year are burdening the financial aid system. IIRC, you are supposed to list your parents' income on the financial aid application.

 

[3L33T32003]

It pisses me off that some people whose parents make 200K/year are burdening the financial aid system. IIRC, you are supposed to list your parents' income on the financial aid application.

Half the kids I knew in college were running the same scam: They came from rich families in NYC, and their parents were "separated." The mother had "no" income, and the dad was not making support payments. Of course, they were "living" with their moms. The secondary address was either a vacation home or the primary residence of a relative. And since they were "poor" they were receiving more financial aid than I, despite the fact that my dad was making less than 20k/year.

Most of those kids had cushy corporate jobs waiting for them when they got out, and were spending 4 years partying before they had to go to the "real" world.

 

[Wheatmaster]

i told you guys ralph nadar was the choice

 

[roncarter]

Bush sucks... hes bad luck

 

[achiral]

care to actually back up that statement without rhetoric?

 

[3L33T32003]

Before you get all carried away breaking an arm patting yourself on the back, you have done little to prove that it was a bunch of lies ( with the exception of the Atta thing, which everyone already knew). I will agree that you did a lot of blowing but only to point out where someone else did something similiar not to prove any falsehoods. Nice try though.

I can back up this stuff with links for the historically challenged; I thought that just speaking truth was enough. Maybe it is not.


Not that I think you can, but it would be interesting to see you try.

So, let's start here:
Did Al Gore Claim he invented the internet? NO!

Who had the more corrupt administration, Reagan/Bush, or Clinton? It is quite obvious. Try to compare Iran-contra to a BJ in the White House.

Were conservatives conspiring to "get" Clinton? You bet your conservative fanny they were!

Shall we go on? Are you willing to back up what YOU say?

 

[achiral]

how bout some non biased reporting for us "historically challenged" people?

 

[3L33T32003]

how bout some non biased reporting for us "historically challenged" people?

Snopes is about as non-biased as you can get.

And the Walsh report is everywhere. Do a google search on "Iran-Contra Executive Summary."

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: 3L33T32003

Before you get all carried away breaking an arm patting yourself on the back, you have done little to prove that it was a bunch of lies ( with the exception of the Atta thing, which everyone already knew). I will agree that you did a lot of blowing but only to point out where someone else did something similiar not to prove any falsehoods. Nice try though.

I can back up this stuff with links for the historically challenged; I thought that just speaking truth was enough. Maybe it is not.


Not that I think you can, but it would be interesting to see you try.

So, let's start here:
Did Al Gore Claim he invented the internet? NO!

Who had the more corrupt administration, Reagan/Bush, or Clinton? It is quite obvious. Try to compare Iran-contra to a BJ in the White House.

Were conservatives conspiring to "get" Clinton? You bet your conservative fanny they were!

Shall we go on? Are you willing to back up what YOU say?

You appear to be rather dense. Go back and read my other post. You have not proven anything that was in that opening post was a lie ( except for what I already acknowledged) rather you simply point and say, " They did something worse!". If you were trying to make the point that most politicians are hypocritical, lying scumbags, congratulations Capt. Obvious, you win the prize.

PS-- Gore was tying to plant the seed in peoples mind that he was somehow responsible for the internet, it wasn't about the BJ it was about perjury and if clinton wasn't such a scumbag the witch hunt would have never gotten off the ground but yes many conservatives were probably out to get him. Personally, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: roncarter
Bush sucks... hes bad luck

Or his Presidency has been filled with bad luck. I bet right now Gore's glad that the Supreme Court decided to go with Bush instead of him.

 

[Dznuts007]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: bleeb
Bush is doing a good job (if you're wealthy).

The whole "tax cuts only favor the rich" montra is silly. Don't even try it!

i agree. they only substantially favor the rich.

Tax cuts also favor the middle class. Why should tax cuts favor poor people when they don't pay any taxes in the first place. If you are poor, you even get tax "refunds" back when you didn't pay any taxes. It's called Earned Income Credit. The rich and the middle class are the one's that pay all the taxes and make it possible for hundreds of thousands of people in this country to sit on their asses, getting HUD, Food Stamps, and Welfare checks.

Tell me why it is fair that just because someone works hard to educate themselves and make good money, they should have to pay for those who are lazy and don't want to work.

I didn't come from a rich family. And my parents didn't give me a dime to pay for college. All this BS about how poor people cant' afford college makes me sick. Anyone who wants to go to college and work hard can do it. I got government loans to pay for my college. I graduated 2 years ago and joined the middle class. And it makes me sick every time I see how much is taken out of my paycheck. Then I see our old friends who get free rent and food stamps, not because they can't support themselves, but because the guy doesn't like working. How is it fair that I have to pay for their rent and food just because I worked hard and he didn't want to?

Well said. One thing people don't realize is that if they lower taxes for the rich, it stimulates spending. When spending occurs, the government collects tax. With that tax money, they redistribute it to programs to let people who don't want to do anything sit on their asses all day and complain that lowering taxes only benefit the rich.

 

[jaydee]

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: rgwalt

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: bleeb
Bush is doing a good job (if you're wealthy).

The whole "tax cuts only favor the rich" montra is silly. Don't even try it!

i agree. they only substantially favor the rich.

the tax system substantially disfavors the rich, so seems fair

hmmm, it doesn't seem to stop folks from wanting to become/stay rich, though.

And it shouldn't prevent people from becoming or staying rich. A tiered set of economic classes are only normal in a capitalistic society. The rich are rich because they have money, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

ryan

LOL. clearly it doesn't, since the distribution of income is substantially in favor of the rich
(see here and then cry me a river).

it helps to have friends in high places in order to stay rich.

First of all, I don't know what you're trying to prove with those stats. Do you really expect it to be the same across the board? The only trend I see, is the top fifth and also top 5% jumped 3% the year Clinton took office, increased steadily during his tenure and decreased slightly when George took over. So I'm confused, are you for or against Bush?

Also those stats don't hold water unless you also post the tax burden of each class to put it in perspective. We are talking about the "tax system" here, not shares of aggregate income. I couldn't find the stats right away, but wasn't it something like the top 10% pay around 90% of all federal income taxes?

 

[przero]

1. If your Dad made 200k/yr. let him pay for your education, not the rest of us.

2. Bush was elected - get over it.

3. The rich shouldn't pay any more taxes than the poor. Are we all equal or what?

4. Who here votes regularly?

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: 3L33T32003

It pisses me off that some people whose parents make 200K/year are burdening the financial aid system. IIRC, you are supposed to list your parents' income on the financial aid application.

Half the kids I knew in college were running the same scam: They came from rich families in NYC, and their parents were "separated." The mother had "no" income, and the dad was not making support payments. Of course, they were "living" with their moms. The secondary address was either a vacation home or the primary residence of a relative. And since they were "poor" they were receiving more financial aid than I, despite the fact that my dad was making less than 20k/year.

Most of those kids had cushy corporate jobs waiting for them when they got out, and were spending 4 years partying before they had to go to the "real" world.

What the hell are you talking about? I don't live with my parents. I'm a returning college student who is in his early 30's who has some pretty expensive living expenses so I need those college loans. Eventhough my dad makes great money I don't live with them, as I support myself. When I do my taxes I don't add my parents and/or my parents don't claim me.

If your Dad made 200k/yr. let him pay for your education, not the rest of us.

Ah yea... I'l' be paying these loans back you know. It's not like I"m getting a free ride. That's a pretty ignorant statement!

 

[przero]

No it's not, who do you think pays the deffered interest?

 

[KydLynx]

TTT.
this is a HOT DEAL!!!
...impeach his a$$