"Club For Growth" Launches Attack Ads Against...

[MonstaThrilla]

....who else?

Why is this short, stalky schmo being feared so much so early? He's a self described fiscal conservative, who balanced budgets even though he wasn't legally required to do so and regularly pissed off the liberals in the process.

This attack ad is a compliment to the man if you ask me...

 

[SuperTool]

Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
....who else?

Why is this short, stalky schmo being feared so much so early? He's a self described fiscal conservative, who balanced budgets even though he wasn't legally required to do so and regularly pissed off the liberals in the process.

This attack ad is a compliment to the man if you ask me...

A compliment? Buahaha. The ad is against raising taxes and it's aimed at Dean because he's one of the bigges proponents of raising taxes. Now that isn't to say that the other candidates aren't for raising taxes, but most of them realize that raising taxes the way Dean want's to, will hurt low and middle income families - so they aren't proposing the marriage and child tax increases like Dean. They also would be wise to keep the lowest tax bracket at 10% instead of raising it to 15% like Dean has stated he will by "repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts"(which IS raising taxes btw). But anyway - I think there are maybe one or two of the "other" candidates that are for raising taxes just as much as Dean is - but since Dean is the supposed front runner he gets the tag of being a tax raiser - it's just the way things work.

All I can say is that people wishing to blast these "issue" campaigns better hold their tongue because there are plenty of "liberal" issue groups who have spent money on ads and will do so with an increasing rate.

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

Right now, i dont know. My guess, it is the same as the others, let growth in revenues shrink it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

Bush has no interest in cutting spending or balancing the budget. He'll keep offering handouts to the corporate welfare queens and his wealthy donors until he has gutted any hope of fiscal sanity.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

Right now, i dont know. My guess, it is the same as the others, let growth in revenues shrink it.

Well, that's what Dean is proposing, growing the revenues to shrink the deficit.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

Right now, i dont know. My guess, it is the same as the others, let growth in revenues shrink it.

Well, that's what Dean is proposing, growing the revenues to shrink the deficit.

sure, but raising taxes is not going to get him elected?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

Right now, i dont know. My guess, it is the same as the others, let growth in revenues shrink it.

Well, that's what Dean is proposing, growing the revenues to shrink the deficit.

sure, but raising taxes is not going to get him elected?

Probably not, but should he change his position to an electable one even if it's wrong?
Americans will have to make some tough choices to get out of this deficit. Dean is the tough choice. Continuing to deficit spend and pass the buck is the easy choice.
I think it's better to have a tough choice and an easy choice, instead of just the easy choice. You can still choose the easy one, but at least you have a choice.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

Right now, i dont know. My guess, it is the same as the others, let growth in revenues shrink it.

Well, that's what Dean is proposing, growing the revenues to shrink the deficit.

sure, but raising taxes is not going to get him elected?

Probably not, but should he change his position to an electable one even if it's wrong?
Americans will have to make some tough choices to get out of this deficit. Dean is the tough choice. Continuing to deficit spend and pass the buck is the easy choice.
I think it's better to have a tough choice and an easy choice, instead of just the easy choice. You can still choose the easy one, but at least you have a choice.

If he changed his position it would not be the first time.
When he started his campaign he was for Social security reform and medicare reform, now he is for the status quo.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Probably not, but should he change his position to an electable one even if it's wrong?
Americans will have to make some tough choices to get out of this deficit. Dean is the tough choice. Continuing to deficit spend and pass the buck is the easy choice.
I think it's better to have a tough choice and an easy choice, instead of just the easy choice. You can still choose the easy one, but at least you have a choice.

Raising taxes isn't a "tough choice", its an easy way to cover up over spending. There needs to be a REAL reformer to run - until that time there are no "tough choices" candidates on the budget issue.

CkG

 

[miguel]

"Raising Taxes" is also not a legitimate way to "raise revenue"

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Club for deficit growth? Or club for government growth? If they weren't, they would be running ads against Bush, not Dean.

How is dean going to balance the budget?

By repealing Bush taxcuts, and returning taxation to Clinton levels. It's not rocket science and it worked before.
How's Bush going to balance the budget? Let me guess, cut spending? Yeah right.

You of course that is not enough to balance the budget.


And on top of that, dean has already stated he wants to spend that healthcare.

OK, what's Bush's plan for balancing the budget? There are two ways of doing it, raise taxes or cut spending, at least in the real world and not some parallel Reaganomics universe.

Right now, i dont know. My guess, it is the same as the others, let growth in revenues shrink it.

Well, that's what Dean is proposing, growing the revenues to shrink the deficit.

sure, but raising taxes is not going to get him elected?

Probably not, but should he change his position to an electable one even if it's wrong?
Americans will have to make some tough choices to get out of this deficit. Dean is the tough choice. Continuing to deficit spend and pass the buck is the easy choice.
I think it's better to have a tough choice and an easy choice, instead of just the easy choice. You can still choose the easy one, but at least you have a choice.

If he changed his position it would not be the first time.
When he started his campaign he was for Social security reform and medicare reform, now he is for the status quo.

The fundamental question is how do you pay for government, with borrowing or taxation.
With taxation you directly take money out of people's paychecks ot pay for government. With borrowing, you indirectly take money out with inflation and higher cost of borrowing (interest rates). Ultimately, the American people will decide how they want to pay for it. Bush and Dean are offering them the choice. If it was Bush and Kerry or Bush and Lieberman, it would not be a real choice, just two variations of the same theme.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: miguel
"Raising Taxes" is also not a legitimate way to "raise revenue"

Taxes = Government revenue. The only way for government to increase revenue is to take more in in taxes, unless you are supporting goverment running its own businesses.

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: miguel
"Raising Taxes" is also not a legitimate way to "raise revenue"

Taxes = Government revenue. The only way for government to increase revenue is to take more in in taxes, unless you are supporting goverment running its own businesses.

Sure, take in more taxes. That doesn't mean RAISING taxes. Increase in business and the economy in general will increase your tax revenue. Duh!

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Probably not, but should he change his position to an electable one even if it's wrong?
Americans will have to make some tough choices to get out of this deficit. Dean is the tough choice. Continuing to deficit spend and pass the buck is the easy choice.
I think it's better to have a tough choice and an easy choice, instead of just the easy choice. You can still choose the easy one, but at least you have a choice.

Raising taxes isn't a "tough choice", its an easy way to cover up over spending. There needs to be a REAL reformer to run - until that time there are no "tough choices" candidates on the budget issue.

CkG

Umm, OK. But while as of today, there is not much distinction in spending levels between the two candidates, just how to pay for that spending. Taxation or borrowing.
So until such time that someone decides to cut spending, you need to choose between running deficits or paying higher taxes. Between those two, paying higher taxes is the tough choice, because people don't like paying taxes.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: miguel
"Raising Taxes" is also not a legitimate way to "raise revenue"

Taxes = Government revenue. The only way for government to increase revenue is to take more in in taxes, unless you are supporting goverment running its own businesses.

Sure, take in more taxes. That doesn't mean RAISING taxes. Increase in business and the economy in general will increase your tax revenue. Duh!

Yes, I am waiting for that one to work. Since we are paying for 30% of our government with borrowing, it would take a 30% growth in overall business , and 0% growth in spending to balance the budget that way. The chances of that happening are slim to none, and slim just left town.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Probably not, but should he change his position to an electable one even if it's wrong?
Americans will have to make some tough choices to get out of this deficit. Dean is the tough choice. Continuing to deficit spend and pass the buck is the easy choice.
I think it's better to have a tough choice and an easy choice, instead of just the easy choice. You can still choose the easy one, but at least you have a choice.

Raising taxes isn't a "tough choice", its an easy way to cover up over spending. There needs to be a REAL reformer to run - until that time there are no "tough choices" candidates on the budget issue.

CkG

Umm, OK. But while as of today, there is not much distinction in spending levels between the two candidates, just how to pay for that spending. Taxation or borrowing.
So until such time that someone decides to cut spending, you need to choose between running deficits or paying higher taxes. Between those two, paying higher taxes is the tough choice, because people don't like paying taxes.

No - it isn't a "tough choice" because it creates a false sense of accomplishment. WHOO HOO - we have a balanced budget...but my taxes are so high is stiffles MY spending along with everyone elses. So yeah we could do that...but at what cost? The only REAL "tough choice" is to audit and cut spending - which may have to be bolstered by having spending legislation tied to tax revenues in some fashion.

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Probably not, but should he change his position to an electable one even if it's wrong?
Americans will have to make some tough choices to get out of this deficit. Dean is the tough choice. Continuing to deficit spend and pass the buck is the easy choice.
I think it's better to have a tough choice and an easy choice, instead of just the easy choice. You can still choose the easy one, but at least you have a choice.

Raising taxes isn't a "tough choice", its an easy way to cover up over spending. There needs to be a REAL reformer to run - until that time there are no "tough choices" candidates on the budget issue.

CkG

Umm, OK. But while as of today, there is not much distinction in spending levels between the two candidates, just how to pay for that spending. Taxation or borrowing.
So until such time that someone decides to cut spending, you need to choose between running deficits or paying higher taxes. Between those two, paying higher taxes is the tough choice, because people don't like paying taxes.

No - it isn't a "tough choice" because it creates a false sense of accomplishment. WHOO HOO - we have a balanced budget...but my taxes are so high is stiffles MY spending along with everyone elses. So yeah we could do that...but at what cost? The only REAL "tough choice" is to audit and cut spending - which may have to be bolstered by having spending legislation tied to tax revenues in some fashion.

CkG

Inflation and high interest rates stiffle your spending too. But if you vote for politicians who spend like drunken sailors, at least pay the taxes that come with it instead of passing them on to your kids. You have a vote, they don't. They are getting taxation without representation.

 

[sandorski]

Pay what you spend now or pay what you spend plus interest later.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Inflation and high interest rates stiffle your spending too. But if you vote for politicians who spend like drunken sailors, at least pay the taxes that come with it instead of passing them on to your kids. You have a vote, they don't. They are getting taxation without representation.

OR you if you don't force the gov't to curb it's spending you are also forcing higher taxes on your kids...taxation without representation.
Increasing taxes is like putting a band-aid on compound fracture. If the band-aid is big enough or you put enough of them on, it might stop the bleeding but it doesn't fix the problem that is causing the bleeding and every time you move the bleeding repeats until the person admits that they have a broken bone.

The broken bone protruding from the flesh in this case is the attitude that the gov't can and should solve all the ills of today. The band-aid is the tax increase which can come in many sizes and shapes. Now granted - tax-cuts in this scenario would be some morphine or meds to help lessen the pain of the injury but it too doesn't fully address the problem; but again neither cuts or increases will fully solve the problem - they are just address one aspect of it.

So yes, until we admit that we have an attitude problem our spending will continue to be a problem that causes great pain. My vote would be to fix the root of the problem instead of trying to keep putting band-aids on it everytime the problem causes new bleeding.

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

I think I've went over that before. Until you take away the politicians credit card and have them come to you for money to spend, they won't curb spending. It's common sense. But continue waiting for politicians to cut spending by themselves.