Clinton's ready to move on, why aren't you Dems?

Riprorin

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Clinton: Bush Iraq Mistake Understandable

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - President Bush's erroneous reference to an Iraqi-Africa uranium link was understandable, former President Clinton said Tuesday, in part because Saddam Hussein's regime had not accounted for some weapons by the time Clinton ended his term in 2001.

Clinton's comments reinforce one of the pillars of Bush's defense of the war in Iraq - that his Democratic predecessor was never satisfied that Saddam had rid himself of weapons of mass destruction.

"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for," Clinton said on CNN's "Larry King Live."

Clinton said he never found out whether a U.S.-British bombing campaign he ordered in 1998 ended Saddam's capability of producing chemical and biological weapons. "We might have gotten it all, we might have gotten half of it, we might have gotten none of it," he said.

In his State of the Union speech in February justifying the planned war in Iraq, Bush referred to British intelligence reports that Saddam had tried to purchase uranium for nuclear weapons production. His administration says it now believes those reports were based in part on forged documents.

Clinton confined his remarks to biological and chemical weapons, and did not say whether he would consider credible any report that Saddam had wanted to build a nuclear weapons program.

Nonetheless, he suggested that Bush's mistake was par for the course - and that it was time to move on now that Bush had acknowledged the error.

"You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president," he said. "I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to without messing up once in a while. The thing we ought to be focused on is what is the right thing to do now."

Clinton said ending tensions in Iraq should be the priority now - another echo of the current White House's talking points. "We should be pulling for America on this. We should be pulling for the people of Iraq."

Clinton made his remarks as a call-in guest on a program observing the 80th birthday of Bob Dole, his rival for the White House in 1996.


 

Painman

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Just pointing out that a P&N war over the topic has been fought already ;) But hey, if folks want to hash it out one more time, I won't stand in the way. :D
 

Jhhnn

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"Nonetheless, he suggested that Bush's mistake was par for the course - and that it was time to move on now that Bush had acknowledged the error."

I don't recall anybody in the Admin ever actually acknowledging any errors on their part- "faulty intelligence" etc., ad nauseum- the buck stops somewhere, anywhere, else... The only one who's admitted to having any culpability at all is Clarke, and we already know how the Admin feels about him...

And of course Clinton had to justify his own malarkey, the 1998 bombing campaign-

"Clinton said he never found out whether a U.S.-British bombing campaign he ordered in 1998 ended Saddam's capability of producing chemical and biological weapons. "We might have gotten it all, we might have gotten half of it, we might have gotten none of it," he said."

By all indications, any wmd's were long gone by then... the "capability" is inherent in even the most basic ability to produce industrial and agricultural chemicals, like insecticides... and the iraqis couldn't buy any, either, due to sanctions...

I've often suspected that Clinton's policy towards Iraq was only marginally better than Bush's- few Americans had to die, and it didn't cost us $1B+ a week...

Yeh, focus on the right thing to do now- like movin' Dubya back down to the ranch, permanently...
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Painman
Just pointing out that a P&N war over the topic has been fought already ;) But hey, if folks want to hash it out one more time, I won't stand in the way. :D

We'll do it for the newbs. ;)
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Painman Just pointing out that a P&N war over the topic has been fought already ;) But hey, if folks want to hash it out one more time, I won't stand in the way. :D
We'll do it for the newbs. ;)

Three post here in P&N total before the 28th, who besides yourself could you possibly be referring to Rip, the as yet unborn? :confused:

On a side note, saw your pics in OT. Man, you really are ripped 'n roaring! :beer:

. . . Just don't let those newfound muscles block the 'ol blood flow to your brain. ;)
 

Siddhartha

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It amazes me how forgiving the republicans and conservatives are of GWB. I keep wondering: what would they be doing if this was Clinton? The republicans and conservatives would probably have 10 investigations going on and they would be busy writing articles of impeachment.
 

arsbanned

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Yes, a mistake which has cost 40 young boy's lives in the last 2 fvcking days. Especially given that "mistake" was perpetrated by someone who sipped lemonade under the Magnolia and cavorted with parasol twirling maidens down South while thousands of other young boys died in Vietnam.
 

chess9

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Clinton's comments must be read in the following context:

1. Ex-Presidents try to avoid criticizing current Presidents. When they can, they hang together because they know they CAN hang separately.
2. Clinton made enough mistakes re terrorism and probably doesn't want to blame Bush for his "understandable" mistake when he knows the 9-11 Commission will give his administration plenty of blame for its terrorism mistakes.
3. Clinton is the best Republican President this country has ever had.

-Robert
 

Red Dawn

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So you think the Dub should be forgiven for manipulating the American Public's shock, terror and sorrow resulting from the 9/11 attacks to persuade the them to support his preordained excellent adventure into Iraq based on what is been proven to be dodgy intel at best?
 

PingSpike

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Wait...its the Neocons who want to stop talking about the past now? I thought they were the one's going "But Clinton..." all the time. But now Clinton says its time to move on and he's suddenly a voice of wisdom and not just a scapegoat for all of Bush's problems?

That seems a little convenient.
 

stnicralisk

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Wait...its the Neocons who want to stop talking about the past now? I thought they were the one's going "But Clinton..." all the time. But now Clinton says its time to move on and he's suddenly a voice of wisdom and not just a scapegoat for all of Bush's problems?

That seems a little convenient.

See the thread: Bush's tax policy sucks

See the election: Goodbye Bush

On another note I dont like Kerry much more at all though.
 

Tom

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"Still timely though as the propoganda against Bush continues. "

Two reasons, Bush doesn't admit his mistakes are mistakes, and there is an election coming up which means it's proper to evaluate a candidate's record.

 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Still timely though as the propoganda against Bush continues. "

Two reasons, Bush doesn't admit his mistakes are mistakes, and there is an election coming up which means it's proper to evaluate a candidate's record.

Buuuuttttt.... you can't evaluate the Presidents record he has only been in office 3 years 2 months __ days __ hours __ minutes __ seconds.
 

Riprorin

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Where was Bush's mistake and what should he apolgize for?

He had bad intelligence. It happens. Get over it.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where was Bush's mistake and what should he apolgize for?

He had bad intelligence. It happens. Get over it.

Uhh....

Which bad intelligence do you refer to? The bad intelligence that failed to prevent the murder of 3000 of our own people on our soil, or the bad intelligence that led to the deaths of nearly 600 US Soldiers and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians?

Because I'm not getting over either any time soon...

 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where was Bush's mistake and what should he apolgize for?

He had bad intelligence. It happens. Get over it.

Uhh....

Which bad intelligence do you refer to? The bad intelligence that failed to prevent the murder of 3000 of our own people on our soil, or the bad intelligence that led to the deaths of nearly 600 US Soldiers and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians?

Because I'm not getting over either any time soon...

I'm refering to this bit of intelligence used as "evidence" here that the Pres. Bush lied:

"In his State of the Union speech in February justifying the planned war in Iraq, Bush referred to British intelligence reports that Saddam had tried to purchase uranium for nuclear weapons production."
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where was Bush's mistake and what should he apolgize for?

He had bad intelligence. It happens. Get over it.

Uhh....

Which bad intelligence do you refer to? The bad intelligence that failed to prevent the murder of 3000 of our own people on our soil, or the bad intelligence that led to the deaths of nearly 600 US Soldiers and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians?

Because I'm not getting over either any time soon...

I'm refering to this bit of intelligence used as "evidence" here that the Pres. Bush lied:

"In his State of the Union speech in February justifying the planned war in Iraq, Bush referred to British intelligence reports that Saddam had tried to purchase uranium for nuclear weapons production."


Ah gotcha.

The bad intelligence that led to the deaths of nearly 600 US Soldiers and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.





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Nope, still haven't gotten over it. Sorry.