Clinton would cream Giuliani, poll finds

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One year before voters go to the polls to select the next president, the Republican Party is as weak as it has been in a generation, a detailed new poll suggests.

Haha keep running on the same platform, Repubs and help a pretty bad democratic candidate (I think Swillary is quite awful) secure a presidency you should have been able to defend if only you had not a) made a horrific mess out of the last few years and b) had the tact to put forward a contender who was not an Iraqi yes-man.

As much as the right has made a mess, I think that a good candidate could still secure votes, but the only Republican running who's not towing the party line in the high-level issues is RP and he's not got support because of his relative [to politics today] extremism.

Of course we all know polls don't determine the future and the next president won't be determined until he/she is determined; even the exit-polls are worth absolutely nothing.

 

[theeedude]

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...resident/national.html
Quinnipiac and Rasmussen have Giuliani ahead by 2% in head to head, the rest have Hillary.
However, Hillary has not attacked Giuliani yet on all the skeletons in his closet and his record. She is keeping her powder dry until it's clear he's the GOP nominee. Giuliani has been bashing Hillary, which should help him in the GOP primary, but it may get pretty old and lose effectiveness come general election season.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: senseamp
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...resident/national.html
Quinnipiac and Rasmussen have Giuliani ahead by 2% in head to head, the rest have Hillary.
However, Hillary has not attacked Giuliani yet on all the skeletons in his closet and his record. She is keeping her powder dry until it's clear he's the GOP nominee. Giuliani has been bashing Hillary, which should help him in the GOP primary, but it may get pretty old and lose effectiveness come general election season.

Heh, this is why I added my last sentence. Sometimes polls are about as reliable as a domestic automobile from the 80's.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: senseamp
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...resident/national.html
Quinnipiac and Rasmussen have Giuliani ahead by 2% in head to head, the rest have Hillary.
However, Hillary has not attacked Giuliani yet on all the skeletons in his closet and his record. She is keeping her powder dry until it's clear he's the GOP nominee. Giuliani has been bashing Hillary, which should help him in the GOP primary, but it may get pretty old and lose effectiveness come general election season.

Heh, this is why I added my last sentence. Sometimes polls are about as reliable as a domestic automobile from the 80's.

I think it's reasonably safe to say that our next president will be a NY liberal
I don't think anyone other than Giuliani has a shot at beating Clinton.

 

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Only 36 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the GOP ?does an excellent or good job? of ?standing up for traditional GOP positions? on issues like reducing the size of government, cutting taxes, and promoting conservative social issues.

That?s a decline of 25 points since July 2004. In fact, it?s the lowest Republican rating for the GOP since Pew began tracking the issue in 2000.

This will only get lower if gov't spending doesn't subside. I think there are still a lot of small gov't people in this country; in fact, I think a lot of people would move from strictly leftwing/Dem allegiances to centrist positions where a combination of small gov't/fiscal responsibility and liberal social issues are supported.

 

[ProfJohn]

It is still early to look at the head to head race.

Niether side is going after the other.

The troubling thing for Hillary fans is her inability to get much above 50% of the vote in many polls.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It is still early to look at the head to head race.

Niether side is going after the other.

The troubling thing for Hillary fans is her inability to get much above 50% of the vote in many polls.

That's ridiculous, few Presidential candidates have won with much more than 50% of the vote.

 

[randym431]

One might think voting for Hillary is bad. but Giuliani? Please.... :roll:

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: randym431
One might think voting for Hillary is bad. but Giuliani? Please.... :roll:

That's where I am. Hillary sucks but cRudy is worse. In any other time Hillary would be laughed out of the running, which I think goes to show how much of a mess the repubs are in now. They've brought this upon themselves and now we all must suffer the reality that although hillary is bad, she's not as bad. It's still possible Obama will win, I suppose, if not so likely, or it's possible that everyone on both sides will be kicked out of the country for good or bought out and we can have some other, better candidates.

 

[WildHorse]

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[Vic]

NY vs NY? Go to hell.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
That's ridiculous, few Presidential candidates have won with much more than 50% of the vote.

Agreed. IIRC, the largest margin of victory in the popular vote was 61% and that was a 49 state landslide.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: randym431
One might think voting for Hillary is bad. but Giuliani? Please.... :roll:

..Mrs.Bill Clinton is basically running for president because... it's her turn! Because she has eaten all these excrement sandwiches over the years being married to Bill.

 

[Siddhartha]

never mind

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
never mind

..a waisted mind is a terrible thing.

 

[xeemzor]

The only thing that can save the republican party is a return to it's core values. It has shown what happens when a party looses it's base and just starts pandering to a small segment of voters. If it can become truly fiscally conservative again, then it might recover by capturing the independent vote. If it doesn't reform, then it's doomed as a party. What shocks me is the fact that no other fiscally conservative parties have even entered the radar of the American public. Is it truly that impossible to make a third party competitive, or is it just that Americans as a whole have no desire for fiscal conservatism or a balanced budget?

 

[theeedude]

The latest Republican strategy on bashing Hillary is to say that electing her would mean return of the Clinton years, calling her Slick Hilly, etc.
That is absolute suicide. The worst thing they can do is make 2008 a referendum on Bill Clinton years. Well, maybe second worst after making it a referendum on healthcare for kids.
GOP is living in its own ideological dream world if they think that these are going to be winners for them.

 

[SSSnail]

Things that will save the repugs:

1. Reduce deficit, spendings, and war expenditures (I don't feel like making three items for this)
2. Reduce inflation
3. Increase the value of the dollar
4. Improve domestic issues (another long list)
5. Cows come home
6. ...
7. Profits

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
never mind

..a waisted mind is a terrible thing.

I've never seen a mind with a waist before...

 

[techs]

Every sentence Guilian says has three things.
A noun, a verb and 9-11.
One issue candidates don't win the Presidency.

 

[Red Dawn]

Even though I couldn't think less of the Republicans running I don't get much comfort knowing the Hillary would beat them convincingly.

 

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I think a lot will change and the polls don't show it yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see Romney win the nomination. He has the slick, well groomed, politician thing that resonates with the millions of vacuous voters out there. I always think of the line from Back to the Future, when the Doc says "No wonder your president is an actor, he has to look good on T.V.!" That, and the real test of who to vote for, seems to be if you would invite the candidate to a BBQ on Sunday.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: techs
Every sentence Guilian says has three things.
A noun, a verb and 9-11.
One issue candidates don't win the Presidency.

OK Joseph Biden :laugh:

If it comes down to Giuilani vs Clinton, the skeletons in the closet could get interesting. They both have plenty, that's for sure...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: techs
Every sentence Guilian says has three things.
A noun, a verb and 9-11.
One issue candidates don't win the Presidency.

OK Joseph Biden :laugh:

If it comes down to Giuilani vs Clinton, the skeletons in the closet could get interesting. They both have plenty, that's for sure...

I still say there is no way Rudy gets the Nom. He'd do about as well in the voting as Dukakis

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: techs
Every sentence Guilian says has three things.
A noun, a verb and 9-11.
One issue candidates don't win the Presidency.

OK Joseph Biden :laugh:

If it comes down to Giuilani vs Clinton, the skeletons in the closet could get interesting. They both have plenty, that's for sure...

I still say there is no way Rudy gets the Nom. He'd do about as well in the voting as Dukakis

If he does, and Hillary gets the nomination, I predict the lowest voter turnout in a long time. I might just stay home myself.

 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: techs
Every sentence Guilian says has three things.
A noun, a verb and 9-11.
One issue candidates don't win the Presidency.

OK Joseph Biden :laugh:

If it comes down to Giuilani vs Clinton, the skeletons in the closet could get interesting. They both have plenty, that's for sure...

I still say there is no way Rudy gets the Nom. He'd do about as well in the voting as Dukakis

If he does, and Hillary gets the nomination, I predict the lowest voter turnout in a long time. I might just stay home myself.

With how close Florida was in 2000, my vote could actually count! :Q