Clinton vows to re-schedule cannabis

[JSt0rm]

Wtf

 

[Jhhnn]

I love a pathway to legalization that takes decades as opposed to when it became illegal in a few weeks. Why is it so easy to take freedom and so fucking hard to give it back?

Please. It took decades of propaganda at the state level to make cannabis a national issue back in the 30's & the efforts of one man, Harry Anslinger. It was profoundly racist, even for the times. Years later, Nixon launched the WoD to beat down his political opponents on the left, the Hippies & black power advocates.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Hillary does possess that power. Anyone she appoints serves at her pleasure. If they do not do what she wants, they will then "resign".

You're attempting to quibble out of being incorrect.

Keep on keepin' on, champ.

Well let's see if it happens. Obama didn't exactly keep his word on the issue. So I'll save this thread and will be happy to revisit it in the future. If she does keep her word then Hillary get a thumbs up from me.

If it doesn't work out that way...well aren't you going to look a bit naïve and foolish?

 

[Jhhnn]

Well let's see if it happens. Obama didn't exactly keep his word on the issue. So I'll save this thread and will be happy to revisit it in the future. If she does keep her word then Hillary get a thumbs up from me.

If it doesn't work out that way...well aren't you going to look a bit naïve and foolish?

We'll see. If Clinton can find a HHS Secretary & an Attorney General amenable to the idea it'll be over with before the DEA has time to blink. I don't see that as a terribly difficult task unless Congress chooses to interfere in the confirmation process.

That wouldn't be Democrats interfering, obviously, given the 2016 platform supports MMJ & state level legalization.

Republicans, meanwhile, couldn't find it in their hearts to endorse MMJ at all in their platform-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/medical-cannabis-gop-convention_us_578412f1e4b07c356cfe3c55

 

[bshole]

Please. It took decades of propaganda at the state level to make cannabis a national issue back in the 30's & the efforts of one man, Harry Anslinger. It was profoundly racist, even for the times. Years later, Nixon launched the WoD to beat down his political opponents on the left, the Hippies & black power advocates.

Thanks for correcting my knowledge gap. Your post was interesting and made me curious. I did a google search and found this...

To understand how we ended up here, it is important to go back to what was happening in the United States in the early 1900’s just after the Mexican Revolution. At this time we saw an influx of immigration from Mexico into states like Texas and Louisiana. Not surprising, these new Americans brought with them their native language, culture and customs. One of these customs was the use of cannabis as a medicine and relaxant.

Mexican immigrants referred to this plant as “marihuana”. While Americans were very familiar with “cannabis” because it was present in almost all tinctures and medicines available at the time, the word “marihuana” was a foreign term. So, when the media began to play on the fears that the public had about these new citizens by falsely spreading claims about the “disruptive Mexicans” with their dangerous native behaviors including marihuana use, the rest of the nation did not know that this “marihuana” was a plant they already had in their medicine cabinets.

The demonization of the cannabis plant was an extension of the demonization of the Mexican immigrants. In an effort to control and keep tabs on these new citizens, El Paso, TX borrowed a play from San Francisco’s playbook, which had outlawed opium decades earlier in an effort to control Chinese immigrants. The idea was to have an excuse to search, detain and deport Mexican immigrants.

That excuse became marijuana.

This method of controlling people by controlling their customs was quite successful, so much so that it became a national strategy for keeping certain populations under the watch and control of the government.

During hearings on marijuana law in the 1930’s, claims were made about marijuana’s ability to cause men of color to become violent and solicit sex from white women. This imagery became the backdrop for the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 which effectively banned its use and sales.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/how-did-marijuana-become-illegal-first-place

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

We'll see. If Clinton can find a HHS Secretary & an Attorney General amenable to the idea it'll be over with before the DEA has time to blink. I don't see that as a terribly difficult task unless Congress chooses to interfere in the confirmation process.

That wouldn't be Democrats interfering, obviously, given the 2016 platform supports MMJ & state level legalization.

Republicans, meanwhile, couldn't find it in their hearts to endorse MMJ at all in their platform-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/medical-cannabis-gop-convention_us_578412f1e4b07c356cfe3c55

Yep. "If."

And no matter how it turns out, if it doesn't get legalized I have no doubt you'll find a way to foist the blame on the Republicans, Jhhnn, even if it isn't really true, because that's how you roll.

 

[nickqt]

Well let's see if it happens. Obama didn't exactly keep his word on the issue. So I'll save this thread and will be happy to revisit it in the future. If she does keep her word then Hillary get a thumbs up from me.

If it doesn't work out that way...well aren't you going to look a bit naïve and foolish?

Note well: I am not predicting or guaranteeing that cannabis is rescheduled. I am simply making the point that if Clinton wants it rescheduled, she has the ability to appoint the people who can do it, and fire them if they do not.

Cannabis should be unscheduled all together, skipping the unnecessary step of taking it slow with the safest recreational drug that exists on the planet.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep. "If."

And no matter how it turns out, if it doesn't get legalized I have no doubt you'll find a way to foist the blame on the Republicans, Jhhnn, even if it isn't really true, because that's how you roll.

I won't have to foist it off on anybody. The record speaks for itself.

Cannabis legalization will proceed state by state largely following the CO template. With few exceptions, Repub lawmakers will be kicking & screaming every inch of the way.

We both know it's true. Don't pretend, OK?

 

[Smoblikat]

Obama has done more to advance the cause of legalization than any of his predecessors when he refused to halt legalization & retail cannabis in CO & WA.

That's really unequivocal.

So the best we have so far is "He didnt do anything to stop it, hes a pot pioneer!" Even though the states should have been able to choose on their own anyway, so he basically just did his job and now hes a hero because of it.

 

[dank69]

So the best we have so far is "He didnt do anything to stop it, hes a pot pioneer!" Even though the states should have been able to choose on their own anyway, so he basically just did his job and now hes a hero because of it.

See how the simple statement that he did "more than any of his predecessors" is morphed into "he's a pot pioneer!" and "he's a hero"? That's because you have a brain defect. Your defective brain prevents you from even understanding other people's statements. You argue against what you want to hear instead of what people actually say, that way you can always be a winner in your head. Conservative websites exploit this brain defect to get you to believe all kinds of lies and conspiracy theories.

 

[Jhhnn]

So the best we have so far is "He didnt do anything to stop it, hes a pot pioneer!" Even though the states should have been able to choose on their own anyway, so he basically just did his job and now hes a hero because of it.

"Should have been able to" is, uhh, bullshit. You know that, right? Of course you do.

Which makes the rest of it hyperbole, just more tearing down of the eeevil Kenyan usurper.

Obama could have squashed retail cannabis like a bug. Mitt swore he would do so. Christie says he will yet if given the chance. That's not what happened, however. Presented with a necessary choice Obama used it to advance the cause of legalization enormously. I think he understood the ramifications extremely well. It was brilliant on his part to make it not about him but rather about states' rights & the Will of the People.

You could just say "Thanks, Obama!" but that would apparently be too easy.

 

[bshole]

So the best we have so far is "He didnt do anything to stop it, hes a pot pioneer!" Even though the states should have been able to choose on their own anyway, so he basically just did his job and now hes a hero because of it.

A Republican president would have put the hammer down. It is HUGELY significant that Obama stood aside. This hasn't happened in 80 years or so. He deserves some cred for it.

 

[DrPizza]

A Republican president would have put the hammer down. It is HUGELY significant that Obama stood aside. This hasn't happened in 80 years or so. He deserves some cred for it.

We have a former Presidential candidate (Romney) who said he would end it. We have Chris Christie who said he would end it. Though, in the latter case, I suppose it's debatable whether he says this because he's a Republican, or if he says this because he's angry that the local 7-11 ran out of Twinkies when a bunch of stoners bought the last ones, and he was in the mood to have a few, then suffered the same fate in the Dorito aisle. Nonetheless, Obama set up a great American experiment - how are things turning out in Colorado? And the experiment had little to no risk for him. If things went well, it helped us move forward in the direction he wanted to go. If things were going bad (the saner among us knew they wouldn't) - if people were getting high and driving their cars into crowds, etc., he could have been the hero to save the day and clamped down on Colorado, effectively shutting down their law and having it ruled unconstitutional. Hillary will be able to point to Colorado and say, "see, there wasn't a boogeyman in your closet." Further, the classification of schedule 1 means there's NO medical benefit. The Republicans want to keep it as schedule 1. However, US laws don't extend to other countries - there are other countries doing real research on the benefits of marijuana and publishing those studies in peer reviewed journals. I don't think it'll be hard for Hillary to help voters connect the dots between reality, and Republican denial of reality. Further, she could grab support from all the "big pharma" conspiracy nuts by claiming the Republicans are keeping marijuana as a schedule 1 drug so that it can't compete with big pharma. Though, I don't think she'd stoop to that level.

 

[MrDudeMan]

We have a former Presidential candidate (Romney) who said he would end it. We have Chris Christie who said he would end it. Though, in the latter case, I suppose it's debatable whether he says this because he's a Republican, or if he says this because he's angry that the local 7-11 ran out of Twinkies when a bunch of stoners bought the last ones, and he was in the mood to have a few, then suffered the same fate in the Dorito aisle. Nonetheless, Obama set up a great American experiment - how are things turning out in Colorado? And the experiment had little to no risk for him. If things went well, it helped us move forward in the direction he wanted to go. If things were going bad (the saner among us knew they wouldn't) - if people were getting high and driving their cars into crowds, etc., he could have been the hero to save the day and clamped down on Colorado, effectively shutting down their law and having it ruled unconstitutional. Hillary will be able to point to Colorado and say, "see, there wasn't a boogeyman in your closet." Further, the classification of schedule 1 means there's NO medical benefit. The Republicans want to keep it as schedule 1. However, US laws don't extend to other countries - there are other countries doing real research on the benefits of marijuana and publishing those studies in peer reviewed journals. I don't think it'll be hard for Hillary to help voters connect the dots between reality, and Republican denial of reality. Further, she could grab support from all the "big pharma" conspiracy nuts by claiming the Republicans are keeping marijuana as a schedule 1 drug so that it can't compete with big pharma. Though, I don't think she'd stoop to that level.

It really is shocking how stupid the average American is when it comes to understanding the history of marijuana and the current situation. I live in Colorado and I think I've smelled pot maybe once or twice, but it was hard to know for sure because I've never even been exposed to it. All of this nonsense about how bad it is makes me want to start eating pot brownies on weekends.

 

[bshole]

It really is shocking how stupid the average American is when it comes to understanding the history of marijuana and the current situation. I live in Colorado and I think I've smelled pot maybe once or twice, but it was hard to know for sure because I've never even been exposed to it. All of this nonsense about how bad it is makes me want to start eating pot brownies on weekends.

Duuuuuudeeeeee, no way I am believing you aren't hitting the ganja. Duuuuudddddeeeeee....

ROFLMFAO.......

 

[IronWing]

Clinton vows to re-schedule cannabis

Whoa, it won't be at 4:20 anymore? That's stupid. No one's ever going to remember.

 

[DrPizza]

Whoa, it won't be at 4:20 anymore? That's stupid. No one's ever going to remember.

LMAO!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Note well: I am not predicting or guaranteeing that cannabis is rescheduled. I am simply making the point that if Clinton wants it rescheduled, she has the ability to appoint the people who can do it, and fire them if they do not.

Cannabis should be unscheduled all together, skipping the unnecessary step of taking it slow with the safest recreational drug that exists on the planet.

The title of this thread is "Clinton vows to re-schedule cannabis." So the point is not if she wants it rescheduled. She has already vowed to do that. The point is whether or not she will follow through with her promise. We shall see.

And I agree wholeheartedly with you that it should be unscheduled.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I won't have to foist it off on anybody. The record speaks for itself.

Cannabis legalization will proceed state by state largely following the CO template. With few exceptions, Repub lawmakers will be kicking & screaming every inch of the way.

We both know it's true. Don't pretend, OK?

If you think so. ime, more Republicans (citizens, not the wrinkled fucks in office) support mj legalization that you might believe. In fact, my cousin, who was a lobbyist in Tallahassee for 20 years, and a staunch Republican, gave up his position to open up his own lobbying company solely dedicated to the legalization of medical mj in Florida. When it comes to full legalization in Florida I have no doubt that will have his full support as well.

Fuck the politicians, particularly the GOP dinosaurs. They are losing out to public opinion and won't be an issue in a few short years to come.

 

[blankslate]

Hillary is blowing non-THC laced smoke up everyone's collective ass about this. She is great at pandering though so there are people that love to hear this and she knows it. It would be great if she actually could get MJ rescheduled, and I would 100% support it, but she doesn't have that power. As far as not interfering in States that decide to make MJ legal, didn't Obama make a similar promise?

Hillary is blowing non-THC laced smoke up everyone's collective ass about this. She is great at pandering though so there are people that love to hear this and she knows it. It would be great if she actually could get MJ rescheduled, and I would 100% support it, but she doesn't have that power. As far as not interfering in States that decide to make MJ legal, didn't Obama make a similar promise?

Pretty much this. Plus the monied Prison Industry will probably just donate to the Clinton foundation so she has a sudden change of heart on the issue....


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[bshole]

Pretty much this. Plus the monied Prison Industry will probably just donate to the Clinton foundation so she has a sudden change of heart on the issue....
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The states are kind of leading the federals on this one. They basically gave a big fuck you to the federal government and legalized it. The federals are being dragged kicking and screaming on this one. Real freedom once taken is very difficult to get back. It happened when they legalized alcohol so it can be done...