Clinton vows to block bill criminalizing illegal immigrants

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: HBalzer

So you guys have a problem with outsourcing jobs over seas, however you see no problem with illegals that pay no taxes and work for 2-3 bucks an hour taking American jobs in our own country?

Don?t get me wrong I have no problem with letting people into the country as long as they do it legally. I would even be for loosening restrictions on letting them in to the country legally.

What are you babbling about?

It's your Republican Heros that chocked the door open and made the business Policy causing this situation.

Actually, if you want to stop illegal immigration, dry up the market for cheap labor. How to do that, you ask? Simple. Cancel Democratic programs that pay millions of Americans to forget theri pride and sit on their butts by using taxpayer money to pay them not to work. Sort of like the agricultural programs that pay farmers to let land lay fallow. Those would be minimum wage and welfare.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: HBalzer

So you guys have a problem with outsourcing jobs over seas, however you see no problem with illegals that pay no taxes and work for 2-3 bucks an hour taking American jobs in our own country?

Don?t get me wrong I have no problem with letting people into the country as long as they do it legally. I would even be for loosening restrictions on letting them in to the country legally.

What are you babbling about?

It's your Republican Heros that chocked the door open and made the business Policy causing this situation.

Actually, if you want to stop illegal immigration, dry up the market for cheap labor. How to do that, you ask? Simple. Cancel Democratic programs that pay millions of Americans to forget theri pride and sit on their butts by using taxpayer money to pay them not to work. Sort of like the agricultural programs that pay farmers to let land lay fallow. Those would be minimum wage and welfare.

What percentage of Americans that are living on welfare or receiving public assistance do you think are doing so out of pure laziness? What is the percentage of unemployment in the vicinity of these types of jobs and what is the ratio of those that are unemployed that are receiving public assistance in those areas?

You seem very certain that these jobs could be handled without the need of illegals by employing the poor of this country to do them. How do you propose you get the poor to uproot from their communities and move away from their families and friends to work a minimum wage job in an area that they know no one and, with that salary and a lack of any type of benefits (I'm speculating here but I think that it is a safe assumption to make) probably can't afford to live in the first place? They will still be below the poverty line so they will qualify for medical assistance (at the very least for their kids).

Do you propose that those that are hiring them pay their way or do you think that the government should pay their way? They certainly can't pay their own way so some type of assistance has to be provided. I can pretty much assure you that the employer won't be providing relocation assistance so then the govt has to and you have just created a whole new entitlement program. One that would probably be more costly than the one that you are wanting to get rid of. Way to go.

Do those on the right ever actually think out their responses or do they just give the standard, knee-jerk "make the lazy welfare bums do it" when the discussion amounts to what is essentially slave labor in this country?

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: HBalzer

So you guys have a problem with outsourcing jobs over seas, however you see no problem with illegals that pay no taxes and work for 2-3 bucks an hour taking American jobs in our own country?

Don?t get me wrong I have no problem with letting people into the country as long as they do it legally. I would even be for loosening restrictions on letting them in to the country legally.

What are you babbling about?

It's your Republican Heros that chocked the door open and made the business Policy causing this situation.

Actually, if you want to stop illegal immigration, dry up the market for cheap labor. How to do that, you ask? Simple. Cancel Democratic programs that pay millions of Americans to forget theri pride and sit on their butts by using taxpayer money to pay them not to work. Sort of like the agricultural programs that pay farmers to let land lay fallow. Those would be minimum wage and welfare.

Millions of Americans are sitting on their butts being paid not to work?
I think welfare pays something like $300 a month, not a great amount, and you have to go through all kinds of paperwork, work requirements, fingerprinting, etc..
You have no idea of what a hassle it is to get welfare, it's probably much easier to get a job. Most of the people receiving welfare are ill, caring for family, or have some other problem and have no alternative. I guess your plan to throw them all out on the street would be beneficial to the country, yeah, we need more homeless on the street.
Minimum wage? What a joke, people in California are paying illegals $10 per hour or more to work.
How about sanctions against hiring illegals?
How about removing some of millions of illegals already in our country?
Republicans have been in charge for how many years?-any yet I don't see any decrease in illegal immigration.
If this bill passed Congress, would your hero veto it?
Remember how he and Vicente Fox wanted OPEN BORDERS?

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DonVito
This is an issue that seems to constantly trip up politicians at the federal level, on both sides of the aisle. The hispanic vote is becoming increasingly critical, and a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens, yet there's clearly a security issue raised by failing to protect our borders. President Bush, among many others, seems not to want to wade into this one at all either.

Yup any issue that is killing the nation but could get you a negative vote to fix will remain be allowed to fester till it becomes somebody else's disaster. This is how we eat our children and manifest our self contempt.

They are especially good jammed, on dollar toast (dry, not buttered).

We're an immigrant nation. Have been. Will be. We need to defend the borders, and allow more legal immigration.

They want to come here. People here want to hire them. Closing our borders will be as effective as the War on Drugs. In fact, it is my opinion that both situations are created by our government to generate revenue and distract the sheeple.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DonVito
This is an issue that seems to constantly trip up politicians at the federal level, on both sides of the aisle. The hispanic vote is becoming increasingly critical, and a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens, yet there's clearly a security issue raised by failing to protect our borders. President Bush, among many others, seems not to want to wade into this one at all either.

Yup any issue that is killing the nation but could get you a negative vote to fix will remain be allowed to fester till it becomes somebody else's disaster. This is how we eat our children and manifest our self contempt.

They are especially good jammed, on dollar toast (dry, not buttered).

We're an immigrant nation. Have been. Will be. We need to defend the borders, and allow more legal immigration.

They want to come here. People here want to hire them. Closing our borders will be as effective as the War on Drugs. In fact, it is my opinion that both situations are created by our government to generate revenue and distract the sheeple.

People want drugs, too. The only difference between the War on Drugs and Closing the Border is: Closing the Border HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED.
I suggest ending the War on Drugs, and shifting the resources to Closing the Border.

 

[Cerb]

It's never been tried, and it's not going to be tried. It's going to be given lip service, and maybe a little PR effort. Our own nation's well-being is not an interest of the majority in power.