Clinton vows to block bill criminalizing illegal immigrants

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By BETH FOUHY
AP Political Writer

March 22, 2006, 2:51 PM EST

NEW YORK -- Invoking Biblical themes, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton joined immigration advocates Wednesday to vow and block legislation seeking to criminalize undocumented immigrants.

Clinton, a potential 2008 presidential candidate and relative latecomer to the immigration debate, made her remarks as the Senate prepares to take up the matter next week.

Clinton renewed her pledge to oppose a bill passed in December by the House that would make unlawful presence in the United States _ currently a civil offense _ a felony. The Senate is set to consider a version of that legislation, as well as several other bills seeking to address the seemingly intractable issue of immigration reform.

Surrounded by a multicultural coalition of New York immigration advocates, Clinton blasted the House bill as "mean-spirited" and said it flew in the face of Republicans' stated support for faith and values.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," Clinton said, "because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."

Clinton did not specifically endorse any competing legislation, including a bill co-authored by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and another by Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), saying she hoped the Senate Judiciary Committee would produce a compromise incorporating the best elements of all the bills and would remove the harsh penalties contained in the House measure.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) has said the Senate will take up his proposal to tighten borders and punish employers who hire illegal immigrants if the Judiciary Committee doesn't complete a broader bill by next week.

Among other things, Clinton said she would support legislation that would strengthen U.S. borders, boost technology to secure the borders, and seek greater cross-border cooperation with Mexico and other neighboring countries.

She also called for new enforcement laws, including penalties for employers who exploit illegal immigrants, as well as a system to allow the roughly 11 million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States to earn their citizenship.

Clinton expressed sympathy to representatives of communities along the U.S.-Mexico border that are frustrated by the stress of providing social services to large numbers of undocumented immigrants. But she also said she hoped to send a message that supporters of punitive immigration policy faced significant political risk for doing so.

"We want the outcome to be that they're on the wrong side of the politics as well as the wrong side of history and American values," she said.

President Bush has argued for a guest worker program that would allow undocumented immigrants already in the United States to keep their jobs for up to six years. The effort hasn't gained much momentum, partly due to fierce resistance from others within the GOP.

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So you guys have a problem with outsourcing jobs over seas, however you see no problem with illegals that pay no taxes and work for 2-3 bucks an hour taking American jobs in our own country?

Don?t get me wrong I have no problem with letting people into the country as long as they do it legally. I would even be for loosening restrictions on letting them in to the country legally.
 

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Originally posted by: HBalzer

So you guys have a problem with outsourcing jobs over seas, however you see no problem with illegals that pay no taxes and work for 2-3 bucks an hour taking American jobs in our own country?

Don?t get me wrong I have no problem with letting people into the country as long as they do it legally. I would even be for loosening restrictions on letting them in to the country legally.

What are you babbling about?

It's your Republican Heros that chocked the door open and made the business Policy causing this situation.
 

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This will allow her a talking point along the sourthern border if / when she decides to make a fool of herself.
 

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"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," Clinton said, "because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."


WWJD?
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: HBalzer

So you guys have a problem with outsourcing jobs over seas, however you see no problem with illegals that pay no taxes and work for 2-3 bucks an hour taking American jobs in our own country?

Don?t get me wrong I have no problem with letting people into the country as long as they do it legally. I would even be for loosening restrictions on letting them in to the country legally.

What are you babbling about?

It's your Republican Heros that chocked the door open and made the business Policy causing this situation.

See there is a beauty in being independent, I can vote on things based on whether they are right or wrong not just because my party tells me so. And yes I do lean toward the Republican side simply because most of you Dems have totally gone off the deep end. However if a man like Governor Mark R. Warner the former Dem Gov. of Virginia ran for president I would probably vote for him.

 
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This is an issue that seems to constantly trip up politicians at the federal level, on both sides of the aisle. The hispanic vote is becoming increasingly critical, and a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens, yet there's clearly a security issue raised by failing to protect our borders. President Bush, among many others, seems not to want to wade into this one at all either.
 

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Seems to me she is on the same side as Bush, it's only the far right that is talking about walls and military action.

Among other things, Clinton said she would support legislation that would strengthen U.S. borders, boost technology to secure the borders, and seek greater cross-border cooperation with Mexico and other neighboring countries.

She also called for new enforcement laws, including penalties for employers who exploit illegal immigrants, as well as a system to allow the roughly 11 million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States to earn their citizenship.

She also sound squarely in the mainstream on this, so why the outrage, her last name?
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
This is an issue that seems to constantly trip up politicians at the federal level, on both sides of the aisle. The hispanic vote is becoming increasingly critical, and a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens, yet there's clearly a security issue raised by failing to protect our borders. President Bush, among many others, seems not to want to wade into this one at all either.

Yup any issue that is killing the nation but could get you a negative vote to fix will remain be allowed to fester till it becomes somebody else's disaster. This is how we eat our children and manifest our self contempt.
 

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I totally disagree with Clinton on this. I'm all for building a wall, mass deportations, fining employers of illegals, etc.

However, one has to note that Clinton's position is basically the same as John "Open Borders and Amnesty" McCain and George W. "Its not an amnesty, really!!!" Bush.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Seems to me she is on the same side as Bush, it's only the far right that is talking about walls and military action.

Among other things, Clinton said she would support legislation that would strengthen U.S. borders, boost technology to secure the borders, and seek greater cross-border cooperation with Mexico and other neighboring countries.

She also called for new enforcement laws, including penalties for employers who exploit illegal immigrants, as well as a system to allow the roughly 11 million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States to earn their citizenship.

She also sound squarely in the mainstream on this, so why the outrage, her last name?

As long as it?s only a civil offense to be an illegal there isn?t much we can do but slap them on the wrist and fine them. Also say you fine the people that employ them a grand or 2 big deal they still made out. Things aren?t going to change until we start cracking down hard.
 

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Originally posted by: rudder
"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," Clinton said, "because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."


WWJD?

At least Jesus could speak the language.
 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: rudder
"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," Clinton said, "because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."


WWJD?

At least Jesus could speak the language.
Aramaic?

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DonVito
This is an issue that seems to constantly trip up politicians at the federal level, on both sides of the aisle. The hispanic vote is becoming increasingly critical, and a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens, yet there's clearly a security issue raised by failing to protect our borders. President Bush, among many others, seems not to want to wade into this one at all either.

I fear we may be past the ability to stop it now that the hispanic vote represents a larger portion than the black vote.

Politicians fearing their jobs are at stake will pander to illegal immigration issues while selling the security of the country short.

 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DonVito
This is an issue that seems to constantly trip up politicians at the federal level, on both sides of the aisle. The hispanic vote is becoming increasingly critical, and a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens, yet there's clearly a security issue raised by failing to protect our borders. President Bush, among many others, seems not to want to wade into this one at all either.

I fear we may be past the ability to stop it now that the hispanic vote represents a larger portion than the black vote.

Politicians fearing their jobs are at stake will pander to illegal immigration issues while selling the security of the country short.
Why didn't I think of that!

 

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We should give citizenship to those already here, and then severely punish any company that hires illegals.
 

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Originally posted by: Legend
We should give citizenship to those already here, and then severely punish any company that hires illegals.

So how much do you expect this administration to punish Walmart?
 

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Originally posted by: Legend
We should give citizenship to those already here, and then severely punish any company that hires illegals.

Yeah, maybe we can update the pass we give to once or twice a week.
 

piasabird

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Duhh!!! The term illegal immigrant means that they broke the law and crossed the border illegally and therefore they are criminals. Why do you need a bill to have these key legal concepts enforced! There is already a law, and they are already breaking the law. The problem is one of enforcement.
 

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No, the problem is one of economics. Who do you think is working in Walmart and hauling heavy boxes for slave wages?

If you export illegal immigrants you export a large base of our economy. I thought this was common knowledge.
 

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Originally posted by: Aisengard
No, the problem is one of economics. Who do you think is working in Walmart and hauling heavy boxes for slave wages?

If you export illegal immigrants you export a large base of our economy. I thought this was common knowledge.

It's hear it's around 3% who are here illegally. I wouldn't call that a large base.
 

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Bah, that's just Hildebeast's compassionate liberalism. It's a win-win for government and big business--more people willing to work minimum wage and more contributions for the fat cats.
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens

That's just crap - a lot of businesses simply don't want to function without the option of being able to hire illegals at criminally-low wages, but they'd still survive. Robert Samualson had a column discussing this and the immigration problem generally in the Wednesday Wash. Post (and several other national publications). It's available online if anyone cares to find it.
 
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: DonVito
a lot of businesses simply can't function without illegal aliens

That's just crap - a lot of businesses simply don't want to function without the option of being able to hire illegals at criminally-low wages, but they'd still survive. Robert Samualson had a column discussing this and the immigration problem generally in the Wednesday Wash. Post (and several other national publications). It's available online if anyone cares to find it.

Allow me to clarify - they can't operate at a profit without drastically increasing prices to consumers. Essentially the prices of the entire California produce industry are predicated on using illegal aliens to pick many of the crops. Their revenue structure is based on paying the pickers less than minimum wage (and try finding that many Americans or legal aliens to pick crops even at minimum wage). I'm not defending the practice, but it's an integral part of our entire country's economy.