Clinton voodo data...

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:11 p.m. EDT
Climate Expert: Bush Enviro Report Based on Bogus Clinton Data

A leading expert in ecological climatology said Monday that a controversial Bush administration report to the United Nations that endorses the theory of global warming was based on erroneous and obsolete computer data calculated by Clinton administration environmental researchers.

"I tested those models over the United States ... and they didn't work," said Dr. Patrick Michaels, a research professor in environmental sciences at the University of Virginia, in an interview with WABC Radio's Sean Hannity.

"I told them that and I said, 'You know, you really can't go forward with this. This is not science.'"

But, he explained, "Of course, that was the Gore-Clinton administration and it went forward and now that document is sitting there being cited in a report to the United Nations."

The Bush administration climate report was the subject of a front page New York Times story on Monday, which called its endoresement for global warming "a stark shift" in administration policy.

While the Clinton-era numbers predicted an increase in average U.S. temperatures of 5 to 9 degrees before the century is out, Michaels said accurate numbers are much lower.

"If we are to believe any of the computer models that work globally, you would say that the warming of this next century is going to be rather modest - about 1.5 to 1.6 degrees Celsius," he told WABC.

What's worse, even if the U.S. adopted every provision of the Kyoto protocols - the political goal of global warming theorists - the impact would offset the expected temperature increase by a mere 1/100 of a percent over the next century, Michaels said.
 

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You can get a scientist to claim anything with scientific evidence supporting either side...you just gotta know how to grease the wheels.

EDIT: I still remember how I would work backwords in highschool physics; if I was having trouble with a lab, just put down the numbers that 'should've' been there and work backwords from my results to show the groundwork.
 

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Well, now we have the new weather super computer in Japan to figure this stuff for us! Screw you biased scientists! (I hope the computer isn't taking kickbacks from treehuggers.) :p
 

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I actually listened to this talk show on my way home from work.

Mr. Michaels raised some very interesting points.
 

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What's worse, even if the U.S. adopted every provision of the Kyoto protocols - the political goal of global warming theorists - the impact would offset the expected temperature increase by a mere 1/100 of a percent over the next century, Michaels said.

Who cares?? We need to rid ourselves of the dependancy of Fossil Fuel so the Middle Eastern Shiekidoms and Islam can return to their natural roles of insignificance regarding over all humanity.
 

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My Global Environmental Change teacher (an expert for the state of California) told the class that the National Academy of Sciences is going to release a report this summer predicting a rise in temperatures of somewhere between 3 and 18 degrees F over the next century. With the higher end being more likely.

Maybe that one computer model is wrong. No scientist ever beleives a model. They are always wroking to refine them.

In any event, the average climate is warming (this isn't disputable). We should do something about it.
 

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Who cares?? We need to rid ourselves of the dependancy of Fossil Fuel so the Middle Eastern Shiekidoms and Islam can return to their natural roles of insignificance regarding over all humanity.

One of the comments that Dr. Michaels made was concerning that. But, he said that we are spending too much capital on useless(his term) technologies like solar power and wind power. He said that we would be much better off saving that money and dumping it into something useful like hydrogen and fuel cell technologies.

He more or less said that too much money, and too much time is being spent on technologies that offer very little, if any, gains over current fossil fuel technology. We need to direct our full attention to viable, and practical replacements.
 

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He more or less said that too much money, and too much time is being spent on technologies that offer very little, if any, gains over current fossil fuel technology. We need to direct our full attention to viable, and practical replacements.
Amen. The sooner the better as in the sooner we do it the sooner we can tell Saudi Arabia, Israel, Kuwait,the PLO and the rest of those blood thirsty Morons to fsck off.
 

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No doubt the oil companies are going to protect their existing infrastructure of refineries and tankers by standing in the way of hydrogen development. But we needn't be victims of political shrills hiding behind bum science and operating under the guise of "environmentalists".