I believe the differences are greater than that. Clinton has a great deal of experience wrt govt service whereas Trump only has experience serving himself & his massive ego.
Hillary is a seasoned technocrat. Trump is an experienced charlatan who's fleeced more investors than either of us will ever meet.
trenchfoot
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Agreed, the differences are stark and telling, with Hillary's chances looking much better than Trump's.
That being said though, it seems to me the Repub rank and file are so desperate for a win that they'd actually rally around Trump if it looked like he'd have any kind of a chance to do to Hillary what he's been managing to do to Jeb and any of the other Repubs in the running. And maybe even the RNC is coming around to the idea that Trump "could" be the last person standing and they're already trying to bring him into the insider club to assimilate him into pursuing their agenda rather than his own.
As and aside, I'm thinking the only Repub in the running that can actually stand toe to toe with Trump is Fiorina. And if it came down to that, I'd say she would be able to give him a good slapping around before he could recover his wits and neutralize her in any way.
I don't have that data. But Pew Research has some published some related surveys. Note, unlike the previous posting the image above shows income rather than wealth...
Asian-Americans Lead All Others in Household Income
Rise of Asian Americans
Uno
But... but... Asians are immigrants and minorities. That means they are being oppressed and held against their will from succeeding in life... Right? RIGHT?!
At least, that's what Obama told me. They are suffering, completely oppressed, and racism is preventing them from moving up in life D:
Oh wait... they are doing better than whitey? ...... Well... shit.
nickqt
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Fiorina sounds reasonable when you're listening to the delusions of the rest of them.
If the base is in charge, I'd expect Cruz, as he is Donald Trump with "insider" qualities of being a sitting Senator. Every single time the GOP loses an election, the lament is that the candidate just wasn't conservative enough.
How often does Trump attack Cruz? If it's near zero, take it as a hint.
Step 1: just make shit up.
Step 2: set shit on fire
Step 3: inhale burning shit
Step 4: post nonsense
Attic
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Clinton is the next president.
She's the only one who won't rock the boat.
Bernie is great, don't get me wrong. He would just bring about too much change.
Hilary will continue the lies, corruption, and deceptions that have been prominent from the Oval Office for the past 30 years. She may be the worst person to have run for President in the past 30 years, but this is just a credit to her ability to adapt.
She's the only one who won't rock the boat.
Bernie is great, don't get me wrong. He would just bring about too much change.
Hilary will continue the lies, corruption, and deceptions that have been prominent from the Oval Office for the past 30 years. She may be the worst person to have run for President in the past 30 years, but this is just a credit to her ability to adapt.
Murloc
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This.
In other countries you can also say that politicians are surrounded by party technicians, but in the US the president really has strong personal power and can really be dangerous.
Hugo Drax
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Actually Wallstreet would love a Bush/Clinton 2016. It would mean buisness as usual regardless of who wins.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/454351/wall-street-love-hillary-clinton-vs-jeb-bush-2016
“If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine,” one top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer said over lunch in midtown Manhattan last week. “We could live with either one. Jeb versus Joe Biden would also be fine. It’s Rand Paul or Ted Cruz versus someone like Elizabeth Warren that would be everybody’s worst nightmare.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...ans-hillary-clinton-2016-106070#ixzz3l05srCD1
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nickqt
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Big business has most of the money and writes the laws before handing them to the politicians to pass. The media is big business - in fact, some of the biggest businesses are the media.
Don't rock the boat. Don't upset the apple cart. Whatever phrase you prefer, that means: don't fuck up the status quo for the people who own and operate everything.
The disenchantment on both the left and right with modern US politics are usually just differences in how we describe the problems and the causes, and these visions are often used to divide people into left and right tribes.
It's getting harder to hide this as technology and information delivery advance. It also makes maintaining the status quo harder, which is why the rhetoric has to be amped up to 11 all the time.
Tell people that if the other side wins, the whole country dies. That helps maintain the current divisions. But the most important thing that occurs is that "option 3" is totally pushed aside.
I don't consider Ted Cruz to be "option 3", but people like Rand Paul, Trump, and Sanders are definitely "option 3" because they aren't status quo warriors, by their existence among but not particularly of the two established parties.
I definitely consider Sanders to be the most honest of "option 3" candidates, because if you take a look at what he's said for the past 40+ years, he doesn't go back and forth. What he said 40 years ago is still his stance today...and usually his stances don't involve GE, Comcast, and Boeing making even more profits while continuing to write our tax and foreign policy legislation.
Indus
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MongGrel
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Problem is..the boat NEEDS to be rocked.... and yes, ALL she will "achieve" is keeping the current Status Quo.
I am looking at her policies and I don't even know why she is "democrat". She could go over to the Reps and would fit right in.
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Newsflash kid, you're not nearly as smart or witty as you seem to think you are.
That is an excellent counter to my point good sir. You have excellent debate skills that are fit for a children's daycare on whose turn it is on the swing set.
MongGrel
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Indus
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Just thinking about Hildabeast ruins the food I cooked for me and my wife on the weber kettle today. She just leaves a bad taste on everything.
boomerang
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It appears they have Pagliano over a barrel. He neglected to declare the income from the Clinton's. Now, it's going to be "Let's Make a Deal" time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...48a40f8_story.html?postshare=3851441420685618
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...48a40f8_story.html?postshare=3851441420685618
If he failed to declare his income as required I'm not sure how that's Hilary's fault.
But I'm sure somehow it must be.
But I'm sure somehow it must be.
Bowfinger
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Have him over a barrel, how? He (possibly) violated his employer's policy by not disclosing outside income. What are they going to do, fire him? He quit in 2013.
Edit: Disregard. I did a little digging. Apparently, "Knowing and willfully ..." providing inaccurate or incomplete information on this form can be grounds for criminal prosecution. I have no context to know how likely that is, but it is at least a potential consequence. It could well be why Pagliano said he would take the Fifth.
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boomerang
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Not really relevant to the matter at hand although it would further discredit him.
I would be very interested to hear the particulars of his maintaining the server from a security perspective. Patches, inspection of logs, what security devices were between it and the Internet, etc. Seeing as how the .gov can't keep their in-house maintained servers from prying eyes even with the resources at their disposal, Pagliano's testimony could be very interesting. Of course he can still choose to plead the fifth and end up for certain in a court room. Clam up or a deal. Time to spin the wheel of choice.
They can prevent him for doing any business with the Federal Government.
As an employee, employee of a contractor and/or a consultant.
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