Clint Eastwood 1, Spike Lee 0

[ShockwaveVT]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Ackmed
He did use an Indian, like what happened in real life.

Also, the article in the link is wrong. The article calls the men who raised the Flag, soldiers. They were Marines, and one Corpsman. Marines are not soldiers, thats the army.

"Flags of Our Fathers" deals with the U.S. soldiers who raised the flag while "Letters from Iwo Jima" looks at the battle from the Japanese point of view.

The article writer, and Lee are both ignorant to the fact, that Marines, are not soldiers.

the military may make that distinction, but i guarantee you the civilian population, who handily outnumber you, does not

It doesnt matter if they do or not. The fact is, we are not the same, and calling us soldier is wrong. There are many differences between us.

I think you need to realize that the term soldier is used to refer to their profession and that the Army's decision to refer to their servicemen as such is just another misfortune that you'll have to endure.

I know most people are ignorant to the fact that we are different. The correct term would be "troops" if you want to refer to all service members. I say this with no disrespect to army personal . BUt we are called the "few and the proud" for a reason.

There are many distinctions between us. A few are, every Marine is a rifleman. What that means is that, every recruit in boot camp, has to qualify with rifle. No other branch of service does this. Your MOS (job) dictates if you do or not. Admin, tailors, even cooks have to qualify. Also, we have to qualify on the 500 yard line, with iron sights. The amry goes only to 300, and thats from the prone. We fire from sitting, kneeling, standing, and prone. When in uniform, Marines are not allowed to talk on the cell phone while walking, walk and eat food or chew gum. Marines cannot wear their cammies out in public. If you ever see this, he is wrong, and should be corrected. The army does this all the time, I find it nasty. Every Marine Corps officer has to have at least a 4 year college degree, the only branch that makes this a requirement. Any Marine can join another branch of service, without going thru their bootcamp. All they have to do is put on their uniform. Every other branch of service has to go thru Marine corps recruit training, it doesnt matter if you're an E-8. You have to start at the entry level. Marine Corps recruit training is longer, and far harder than any other. The army has a "stress card" that you can flash if you're getting too upset. And they have to stop yelling at you. The Marine Corps has a sand pit the take you do, and thrash you. Worlds apart.

Those are just a few, there are many more. Again, no disrespect to any other branch, but we take pride

I write this a few hours before I board a bus, to a plane that will take me to 29 palms. To start my workup for deployment to Iraq. Fun fact: The army stopped training in 29 palms, because they deemed it unfit for human training. The Marine Corps bought it from them, and we use it to this day. Its pretty ideal for training, for the war in Iraq. Because its in the middle of a desert, with nothing but rock and mountains all around. Not that all of Iraq is like that, but where we are, it mostly is.

FYI
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/soldier

And yes the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force are all considered part of the USA's "army" or "military force".

If you want, you can consider Sailors, Marines and Airmen are specialized Soldiers within the USA's military.

 

[Vonkhan]

Clint > Spike

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don;t know... Spike Lee is a much better director than Clint and has put out better movies than Clint ever could. Spike let his politics get in the way of his brain on this one though.

well, this was false before you even thought about typing it....

Clint Academy awards won (director): 2
Nominations: 4
Best Pictures won: 2

Spike Lee Academy Awards won: 0
nominations: 2 (documentary, and one for short)
He was nominated for several golden palms for jungle Fever, but that and a few Golden Globe nominations are about it.


In every way that their industry awards achievement and gauges talent, Clint Eastwood demolishes Spike Lee. I like some of Spike's stuff, but he can't even shit on Clint's lawn.

Oh, i didn't realize that quality was rewarded through Golden Globes and Academy Awards, etc. You really think that those awards mean much? hehe

when you put them up against how the music industry awards their artists, absolutely.

c'mon, you know that argument is weak.

The film industry has tons of award-giving institutions, the Academy is by-far the most important. When you look at all of these groups giving awards, Clint's influence is a giant compared to Spike's.

Despite the tastes of Ave Joe, and how he may perceive the merit of the Academy, his perception has no basis on the actual relevance of the Academy. Of the major entertainment awards, it is certainly the one that most closely gauges quality. Someone with little-to-no knowledge on what makes a movie "good" really has no critical basis to judge such a film. This is what these institutions do.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Ackmed
He did use an Indian, like what happened in real life.

Also, the article in the link is wrong. The article calls the men who raised the Flag, soldiers. They were Marines, and one Corpsman. Marines are not soldiers, thats the army.

"Flags of Our Fathers" deals with the U.S. soldiers who raised the flag while "Letters from Iwo Jima" looks at the battle from the Japanese point of view.

The article writer, and Lee are both ignorant to the fact, that Marines, are not soldiers.

the military may make that distinction, but i guarantee you the civilian population, who handily outnumber you, does not

It doesnt matter if they do or not. The fact is, we are not the same, and calling us soldier is wrong. There are many differences between us.

I think you need to realize that the term soldier is used to refer to their profession and that the Army's decision to refer to their servicemen as such is just another misfortune that you'll have to endure.

I know most people are ignorant to the fact that we are different. The correct term would be "troops" if you want to refer to all service members. I say this with no disrespect to army personal . BUt we are called the "few and the proud" for a reason.

There are many distinctions between us. A few are, every Marine is a rifleman. What that means is that, every recruit in boot camp, has to qualify with rifle. No other branch of service does this. Your MOS (job) dictates if you do or not. Admin, tailors, even cooks have to qualify. Also, we have to qualify on the 500 yard line, with iron sights. The amry goes only to 300, and thats from the prone. We fire from sitting, kneeling, standing, and prone. When in uniform, Marines are not allowed to talk on the cell phone while walking, walk and eat food or chew gum. Marines cannot wear their cammies out in public. If you ever see this, he is wrong, and should be corrected. The army does this all the time, I find it nasty. Every Marine Corps officer has to have at least a 4 year college degree, the only branch that makes this a requirement. Any Marine can join another branch of service, without going thru their bootcamp. All they have to do is put on their uniform. Every other branch of service has to go thru Marine corps recruit training, it doesnt matter if you're an E-8. You have to start at the entry level. Marine Corps recruit training is longer, and far harder than any other. The army has a "stress card" that you can flash if you're getting too upset. And they have to stop yelling at you. The Marine Corps has a sand pit the take you do, and thrash you. Worlds apart.

Those are just a few, there are many more. Again, no disrespect to any other branch, but we take pride

I write this a few hours before I board a bus, to a plane that will take me to 29 palms. To start my workup for deployment to Iraq. Fun fact: The army stopped training in 29 palms, because they deemed it unfit for human training. The Marine Corps bought it from them, and we use it to this day. Its pretty ideal for training, for the war in Iraq. Because its in the middle of a desert, with nothing but rock and mountains all around. Not that all of Iraq is like that, but where we are, it mostly is.

No disrespect Ackmed but I have to hear from other Army people of this day and age. I was in from 83 to 91 and what you are saying about the Army I know is wrong.
We were all riflemen first and foremost because when crap hits the fan what do you have? We qualified with the M16 out to 400 yards in sitting, kneeling, standing and prone also. We could only be off post in uniform going to or coming home from work that?s it.
To be an officer you had to have at least a 4 year degree no other way? you could be a chief warrant officer with a two year but not an officer.

?Every other branch of service has to go thru Marine Corps recruit training, it doesn?t matter if you're an E-8. You have to start at the entry level. Marine Corps recruit training is longer, and far harder than any other.?

That is because you have different training that?s it. I was airborne, air assault, and had started Ranger school and I could say the same thing. I just got off the phone with a friend that was in around the same time as me (but a Marine) and he said he didn't think they would loose rank but had to go through the training.

Stress card are you kidding me?

Like I said Ackmed no disrespect to you I just want to hear from someone in today?s Army if it has gotten that weak in just 17 years. I know I was in the one of the first groups were the Drill?s couldn?t close fist hit you so when we would do pushups with our helmets on they would walk by and kick the heck out of it? only problem is it was still on your head but hey they didn't hit you

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don;t know... Spike Lee is a much better director than Clint and has put out better movies than Clint ever could. Spike let his politics get in the way of his brain on this one though.

Yes, it is quite clear that you don't know jack shit.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don;t know... Spike Lee is a much better director than Clint and has put out better movies than Clint ever could. Spike let his politics get in the way of his brain on this one though.

Yes, it is quite clear that you don't know jack shit.

and he demonstrates it over and over

Originally posted by: spittledip
Oh, i didn't realize that quality was rewarded through Golden Globes and Academy Awards, etc. You really think that those awards mean much?

 

[amoeba]

Spike is just trying to stir up controversy to get his new movie some publicity.

Simple advertising.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

i made an awesome clint eastwood mii character. i should make a spike lee

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Spike Lee is a also delusional if he thinks that African Americans have been ignored in movies about WWII. There are not a lot because their involvement was rather limited due to the segregation but even in 1952 they made a film about their contribution called Red Ball Express.

Could check out Tuskegee Airmen as well or Nightflyers if you can find it.

Looks like Spike Lee did the Wrong thing...

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Ackmed
He did use an Indian, like what happened in real life.

Also, the article in the link is wrong. The article calls the men who raised the Flag, soldiers. They were Marines, and one Corpsman. Marines are not soldiers, thats the army.

"Flags of Our Fathers" deals with the U.S. soldiers who raised the flag while "Letters from Iwo Jima" looks at the battle from the Japanese point of view.

The article writer, and Lee are both ignorant to the fact, that Marines, are not soldiers.

the military may make that distinction, but i guarantee you the civilian population, who handily outnumber you, does not

It doesnt matter if they do or not. The fact is, we are not the same, and calling us soldier is wrong. There are many differences between us.

I think you need to realize that the term soldier is used to refer to their profession and that the Army's decision to refer to their servicemen as such is just another misfortune that you'll have to endure.

I know most people are ignorant to the fact that we are different. The correct term would be "troops" if you want to refer to all service members. I say this with no disrespect to army personal . BUt we are called the "few and the proud" for a reason.

There are many distinctions between us. A few are, every Marine is a rifleman. What that means is that, every recruit in boot camp, has to qualify with rifle. No other branch of service does this. Your MOS (job) dictates if you do or not. Admin, tailors, even cooks have to qualify. Also, we have to qualify on the 500 yard line, with iron sights. The amry goes only to 300, and thats from the prone. We fire from sitting, kneeling, standing, and prone. When in uniform, Marines are not allowed to talk on the cell phone while walking, walk and eat food or chew gum. Marines cannot wear their cammies out in public. If you ever see this, he is wrong, and should be corrected. The army does this all the time, I find it nasty. Every Marine Corps officer has to have at least a 4 year college degree, the only branch that makes this a requirement. Any Marine can join another branch of service, without going thru their bootcamp. All they have to do is put on their uniform. Every other branch of service has to go thru Marine corps recruit training, it doesnt matter if you're an E-8. You have to start at the entry level. Marine Corps recruit training is longer, and far harder than any other. The army has a "stress card" that you can flash if you're getting too upset. And they have to stop yelling at you. The Marine Corps has a sand pit the take you do, and thrash you. Worlds apart.

Those are just a few, there are many more. Again, no disrespect to any other branch, but we take pride

I write this a few hours before I board a bus, to a plane that will take me to 29 palms. To start my workup for deployment to Iraq. Fun fact: The army stopped training in 29 palms, because they deemed it unfit for human training. The Marine Corps bought it from them, and we use it to this day. Its pretty ideal for training, for the war in Iraq. Because its in the middle of a desert, with nothing but rock and mountains all around. Not that all of Iraq is like that, but where we are, it mostly is.

sorry to bust your bubble but you are wrong in many parts of your post its clear you are young and DONT HAVE A FRICKEN CLUE!!!

1. to start off i served 10 years Air Force Security police so i know what im talking about.

2. guess who came to Lackand AFB to go through the USAF Police Academy? yea you got it USMC MP's

3. to get out of basic training USAF recruits have to qualify on the range with M-16's.

4. to be a officer in any branch of the armed services you have to be a college grad with a four year degree and graduate from ROTC or a OTS program, if one doesnt graduate from one of the service academy's.

5. i had marines in my boot camp flight and they went through it just like i did, yes AF boot is easier than the marine boot but we have way different jobs. they taught us how to think not to be a grunt.

6. the air force still uses the training grounds you are going to. i spent many hot miserable hours in a 81mm mortar pit during silver flag alpha exercises i know the area well and will never ever go back to it.

7. The Army stress card is a total lie and im sure some jarhead DI told you that to make you feel better. The NAVY issued those cards not the Army they were a information card only and not a "time-out" card. dont believe me look it up on snopes.

8. yes you are a soldier. I was a Airman but i was still a soldier.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: spittledip
I don;t know... Spike Lee is a much better director than Clint and has put out better movies than Clint ever could. Spike let his politics get in the way of his brain on this one though.

Yes, it is quite clear that you don't know jack shit.

and he demonstrates it over and over

Originally posted by: spittledip
Oh, i didn't realize that quality was rewarded through Golden Globes and Academy Awards, etc. You really think that those awards mean much?

Missed that one, if I would have known he was that stupid, I probably wouldn't have even posted.

 

[purbeast0]

i just wanted to come into this thread to say I thought Million Dollar Baby was one of the most overrated movies and bored the crap out of me.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i just wanted to come into this thread to say I thought Million Dollar Baby was one of the most overrated movies and bored the crap out of me.

it sucked, I laugh at people who claim Clint is better than Spike simply because of the awards Million Dollar Baby won. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but you can't gauge shit on awards. Titanic won more Oscars that any movie ever right? And it was an overrated POS movie. Unforgiven was good, but Tombstone was better. I don't think Clint has done anything so good he should be considered one of the all time great directors. Not to say he isn't good, but what's the fuss about?

If Spike was a white man he would have already won an Oscar or Academy Award.
And if Clint was a black man he wouldn't have won shit, sad but that's the way it is...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i just wanted to come into this thread to say I thought Million Dollar Baby was one of the most overrated movies and bored the crap out of me.

it sucked, I laugh at people who claim Clint is better than Spike simply because of the awards Million Dollar Baby won. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but you can't gauge shit on awards. Titanic won more Oscars that any movie ever right? And it was an overrated POS movie. Unforgiven was good, but Tombstone was better. I don't think Clint has done anything so good he should be considered one of the all time great directors. Not to say he isn't good, but what's the fuss about?

If Spike was a white man he would have already won an Oscar or Academy Award.
And if Clint was a black man he wouldn't have won shit, sad but that's the way it is...

Tombstone was in no way, shape, or form better than Unforgiven. It was campy, and pretty damn silly. Doesn't mean I didn't like it--Kilmer was fantastic, of course--but that's about it. Unforgiven was not a mindless action film. It was a classic morality tale, and is without a doubt one of the top westerns ever produced. Tombstone would be in the bargain bin western category (but yeah...still better than Wyatt Earp...)

To think that people judge Eastwood's greatness by Million Dollar Baby is rather naive.

as for the last statement....WTF?

 

[NFS4]

I guess Eastwood has the last laugh

Director Spike Lee axes agent after film flop

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) ? Spike Lee has left his Hollywood talent agent of more than 15 years in the wake of the dismal box office performance of his latest movie.

The combative filmmaker jumped to Endeavor from William Morris, three weeks after his World War Two movie "Miracle at St. Anna" opened to just $3.5 million; the Disney release has grossed just $7.5 million to date.

Before "Anna," Lee directed his largest-grossing film to date, the heist thriller "Inside Man," which drew $176 million worldwide in 2006. A sequel is one of several upcoming projects set up by William Morris. Lee did not respond to a request for comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...u5DnpEd84Uf7S5_iFb.nQA

 

[KLin]

Awesome :laugh:

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: KLin
Awesome :laugh:

:thumbsup:

 

[GTaudiophile]

According to RottenTomatoes:

Miracle at St. Anna: 32%
Letters from Iwo Jima: 91%
Flags of our Fathers: 73%

Proof is in the pudding!

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

That's why you're a marine. But you're still a soldier.

No need to be a douchebag about it. He's already explained, and if you're retarded enough not to refrain from posting anything contributory, then fuck off.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
According to RottenTomatoes:

Miracle at St. Anna: 32%
Letters from Iwo Jima: 91%
Flags of our Fathers: 73%

Proof is in the pudding!

chocolate pudding? Racist!

 

[AkumaX]

Operation Human Shield