'Climategate' probe mostly vindicates scientists

[dmcowen674]

the previous 2+ years have been fucking cold.

What planet are you posting from?

 

[cubby1223]

What planet are you posting from?

Earth. Chicago. You got rocks for brains?

Or do you just blindly hate everyone who is not you?

Where'd your signature go declaring yourself the most intelligent man in America?

 

[bfdd]

Dude you are on the Pacific Ocean, the jet stream is parked overhead for a spell, wait a bit, it will move back north towards San Fran and you'll be baking soon enough.

Oh my bad I thought local weather = climate. Oops I guess I was wrong.

 

[Jaskalas]

103 degrees on the East Coast, damn that Global Cooling is a bitch.

Weather equals climate argument? Never gets old does it.

 

[Atreus21]

Frankly, I think the earth is warmed more by the flame wars started here over the issue of global warming than by actual global warming.

 

[CanOWorms]

Independent British report doesn't even make sense. How can it be independent when the Monarchy is involved in all aspects of life in the UK? The Queen says to do something and her servants follow the command. It's worse than using a study by an oil company!

 

[thraashman]

Frankly, I think the earth is warmed more by the flame wars started here over the issue of global warming than by actual global warming.

Best response I've seen in P&N in months. You win this thread!

 

[BurnItDwn]

Earth. Chicago. You got rocks for brains?

Or do you just blindly hate everyone who is not you?

Where'd your signature go declaring yourself the most intelligent man in America?

Lol ..... it's Dave ... what do you expect ...

That said ...
Last 2 winters we have seen a lot of snow, but the actual temperature has been pretty warm, never got much below 0 (I remember in the early 90s a couple of times where it was like -40), and it's been mild in the spring and fall .... I'd say it's been hot in the Chicago area the last 2 years ... but I am like 40 miles NW of the city ... so it's usually a little bit different weather by me ....

And, of course .... local weather doesn't have anything to do with global warming or cooling ... global temperature changes would influence jet streams, and local weather in many places could change the opposite of however the global temperature is changing ...
Anyhow ... I believe there is significant data to support the theory of global warming. There is also significant data to support that the industrialization of man has contributed to conditions which can cause this to happen. I think it's quite overblown, and I think since it's become politicized it's pretty much a joke...

PS ... I too am from Earth. Nice to meet you fellow Earthling

 

[werepossum]

Yes, but that is the point. Climate zones shift. ie Deserts move, forests becomes grasslands, grasslands to deserts, oceanic temps shift sending species farther north or south, etc. Displacing poor people in 3rd countries, driving economies crazy in "modern" countries.

It's really about the data over the long term so when someone points out that it's really hot today, it's not saying much. The fact is that there has been a steady increase in extreme changes in weather patterns for quite some time, likely not 100% to with carbon emissions, but probably strongly related.

At the very least to err on the side of caution would be smart in terms of "climate change". Don't rush head 1st in listening to every doomsday scenario, but it's pretty obvious that energy policy NEEDS to be changed drastically over a relatively long period of time.

This is the true beauty of CAGW - every weather pattern conceivable proves it. Record high? Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming! Record low? Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming! More rain, less rain, more snow, less snow, more hurricanes or none, it's always catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. It's the perfect progressive bugbear, which is why there will be as many "probes" and "investigations" as are needed to sweep this under the rug.

And all you have to do is pony up your wallet and ignore the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age, and, well, most of Earth's climate history, and Big Government will make it all better. And it's a complete coincidence that the solution to catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is the same as the solution to the man-made ice age.

 

[shira]

This is the true beauty of CAGW - every weather pattern conceivable proves it. Record high? Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming! Record low? Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming! More rain, less rain, more snow, less snow, more hurricanes or none, it's always catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. It's the perfect progressive bugbear, which is why there will be as many "probes" and "investigations" as are needed to sweep this under the rug.

And all you have to do is pony up your wallet and ignore the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age, and, well, most of Earth's climate history, and Big Government will make it all better. And it's a complete coincidence that the solution to catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is the same as the solution to the man-made ice age.

And the beauty of climate-denial is that regardless of what the latest studies say, you can always dismiss them because you "know" that the vast majority of climatologists are just whores, bought and paid for by billionaire greenies out to destroy civilization.

 

[werepossum]

And the beauty of climate-denial is that regardless of what the latest studies say, you can always dismiss them because you "know" that the vast majority of climatologists are just whores, bought and paid for by billionaire greenies out to destroy civilization.

Climate-denial? That doesn't even make sense, no one denies that climate exists. One side believes that climate used to be stable but is changing now due to man; one side believes climate has never been a steady-state thing but has always been changing. Neither side denies climate.

 

[JS80]

Why is Fox News not reporting this?

Fox News reports news, not left wing propaganda lies.

 

[shira]

Climate-denial? That doesn't even make sense, no one denies that climate exists. One side believes that climate used to be stable but is changing now due to man; one side believes climate has never been a steady-state thing but has always been changing. Neither side denies climate.

Stop being pedantic. "Climate-denial" is just shorthand for "MMCC-denial."

Edit: Oh, and PS, thanks for responding to the substance of my post. I wouldn't have expected anything less.

 

[Jaskalas]

And the beauty of climate-denial is that regardless of what the latest studies say, you can always dismiss them because you "know" that the vast majority of climatologists are just whores, bought and paid for by billionaire greenies out to destroy civilization.

I don't know about all your hyperbole, but I do know CO2 is not the source of CC.

 

[JSt0rm]

Fox News reports news, not left wing propaganda lies.

olololololol

 

[Nemesis 1]

Earth. Chicago. You got rocks for brains?

Or do you just blindly hate everyone who is not you?

Where'd your signature go declaring yourself the most intelligent man in America?

Befor you attack . Get out of your little world . Your right last year was a cool summer . Here in MN also . Great so far this year also. But the rest of the world is being burned .

So far today in my town it 79F. Its been a perfect summer except for severe Storms in the state. Not my area. Whats the temps like out east and this is only early july.

The Ice caps are melting denial is futile. Many droughts threw out the world there be.

 

[Craig234]

I'd like to make a rule that when discussing climate change, "the temperature out my door right now" cannot be used as 'evidence' to try to say how real climate change is.

This is a very long-term issue looking at decades and centuries, with the big problems coming starting later this century depending what we do now.

The temperature outside your door has pretty much nothing to do with the issue.

Call it a corollary to Godwin's rule, if you use that 'evidence', you lose the argument.

This does not ban responsibly used 'early indication' data. It's for the ignorant yahoo who just looks out the window.

 

[Double Trouble]

The "investigation" done doesn't exactly inspire confidence, especially given who did the investigating and the possible damage control motives behind the findings of the investigation.

When you see things like this:

The messages captured researchers speaking in scathing terms about their critics, discussing ways to stonewall skeptics of man-made climate change, and talking about how to freeze opponents out of peer-reviewed journals.

, it doesn't exactly scream out "objective scientific analysis" does it?

This has been politicized thanks to the big government folks using the issue to further the cause of government control and size increase. Now every piece of evidence will be viewed with suspicion and reasonable doubt has been created in most people's minds.

 

[JSt0rm]

The "investigation" done doesn't exactly inspire confidence, especially given who did the investigating and the possible damage control motives behind the findings of the investigation.

When you see things like this: , it doesn't exactly scream out "objective scientific analysis" does it?

This has been politicized thanks to the big government folks using the issue to further the cause of government control and size increase. Now every piece of evidence will be viewed with suspicion and reasonable doubt has been created in most people's minds.

It must be a global conspiracy huh?

 

[shira]

I don't know about all your hyperbole, but I do know CO2 is not the source of CC.

Oooh, I see. You've found one NON-PhD, non-researcher in climatology who says that anthropogenic climate change is nonsense, and that proves that ACC is nonsense?

I'm completely persuaded by your expert witless, . . ., er . . . witness.

 

[bfdd]

I'd like to make a rule that when discussing climate change, "the temperature out my door right now" cannot be used as 'evidence' to try to say how real climate change is.

This is a very long-term issue looking at decades and centuries, with the big problems coming starting later this century depending what we do now.

The temperature outside your door has pretty much nothing to do with the issue.

Call it a corollary to Godwin's rule, if you use that 'evidence', you lose the argument.

This does not ban responsibly used 'early indication' data. It's for the ignorant yahoo who just looks out the window.

Might want to you know listen to your own words before going on any further. Why are you only looking at decades and centuries when the life of the planet is in the billions of years? This is how small a century looks to 1 billion years. 100 vs 1,000,000,000. It's not even 1%. So how about we look as far back as we can to ascertain if the warming or cooling trend(whichever you prefer) is anything out of the ordinary. There is no set climate for Earth, it has changed and evolved over billions of years. Our puny 150 years doesn't even scratch the surface.

 

[shira]

Might want to you know listen to your own words before going on any further. Why are you only looking at decades and centuries when the life of the planet is in the billions of years? This is how small a century looks to 1 billion years. 100 vs 1,000,000,000. It's not even 1%. So how about we look as far back as we can to ascertain if the warming or cooling trend(whichever you prefer) is anything out of the ordinary. There is no set climate for Earth, it has changed and evolved over billions of years. Our puny 150 years doesn't even scratch the surface.

You're such a genius. Incredible that it's never occurred to thousands of climate scientists to examine temperature data over large time scales, to determine if recent climate patterns are almost entirely due to natural cycles, as opposed to being significantly influenced by human behavior. Clearly, thousands of climate scientists with average IQs in the 140s have just neglected to consider your talking point. And you, of course, lay-person that you are, have performed this analysis and determined that the climate behavior the past 100 years is entirely natural. Amazing but true.

 

[bfdd]

You're such a genius. Incredible that it's never occurred to thousands of climate scientists to examine temperature data over large time scales, to determine if recent climate patterns are almost entirely due to natural cycles, as opposed to being significantly influenced by human behavior. Clearly, thousands of climate scientists with average IQs in the 140s have just neglected to consider your talking point. And you, of course, lay-person that you are, have performed this analysis and determined that the climate behavior the past 100 years is entirely natural. Amazing but true.

Well I look back at charts that map temps over the last 100k+ years and I don't really see anything to worry about when looking at our little blip, it looks normal. It's not until you take a glance at the most recent 200 years do you see anything that makes people go "ZOMG!"

Shira answer me this, do the climate scientists who make projections for our future climate take into account everything that could have an effect on our climate and every variation of each?

 

[JSt0rm]

Well I look back at charts that map temps over the last 100k+ years and I don't really see anything to worry about when looking at our little blip, it looks normal. It's not until you take a glance at the most recent 200 years do you see anything that makes people go "ZOMG!"

Shira answer me this, do the climate scientists who make projections for our future climate take into account everything that could have an effect on our climate and every variation of each?

You don't need any of that education stuff... you have your gut. You just know deep down that its all fake and that's all there is to it. I admire you in some ways.

 

[LegendKiller]

Befor you attack . Get out of your little world . Your right last year was a cool summer . Here in MN also . Great so far this year also. But the rest of the world is being burned .

So far today in my town it 79F. Its been a perfect summer except for severe Storms in the state. Not my area. Whats the temps like out east and this is only early july.

The Ice caps are melting denial is futile. Many droughts threw out the world there be.

Christ, you're from MN? Is that you Bachmann?

Not sure if I can claim to be Minnesotan now, even though I was born and raised there and graduated from the UofMN:TC.