'Climategate' probe mostly vindicates scientists

[Martin]

An independent British report into the leak of hundreds of e-mails from one of the world's leading climate research centers has largely vindicated the scientists involved, something many in the field hope will help calm the global uproar dubbed “Climategate.”

The inquiry by former U.K. civil servant Muir Russell into the scandal at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit found there was no evidence of dishonesty or corruption in the more than 1,000 e-mails that were posted to the Internet late last year. But he did chide the scientists involved for failing to share their data with critics.

“We find that their rigor and honesty as scientists are not in doubt,” Mr. Russell said. “But we do find that there has been a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-mostly-vindicates-scientists/article1631284/


I highly doubt this will change many minds - evidence againt a vast global climate-conspiracy merely confirms that the conpiracists are really really good!

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't care what they "think" the emails portend or not. I want the raw temperature data without alteration. Given that they destroyed that data they cannot ever be trusted.

 

[yllus]

I am curious as to how exactly Mr. Russell's inquiry conducted its investigation. The last time we heard it trumpeted that the scientists were in the clear was the result of this:

The report follows a British parliamentary inquiry that largely backed the scientists involved and another independent investigation that gave a clean bill of health to the science itself.

What the article doesn't state is that the parliamentary inquiry consisted of a one-day hearing chaired completely by politicians with no expertise in the subject matter. Didn't exactly inspire me with confidence in regards to their impartiality or accuracy.

 

[PokerGuy]

I don't care what they "think" the emails portend or not. I want the raw temperature data without alteration. Given that they destroyed that data they cannot ever be trusted.

This. Especially since from the emails we already know they had a conclusion before looking at the data and were just looking to support the global warming hoax.

This "vindication" is just more whitewashing to support the Goron believers.

 

[PokerGuy]

I am curious as to how exactly Mr. Russell's inquiry conducted its investigation. The last time we heard it trumpeted that the scientists were in the clear was the result of this:

What the article doesn't state is that the parliamentary inquiry consisted of a one-day hearing chaired completely by politicians with no expertise in the subject matter. Didn't exactly inspire me with confidence in regards to their impartiality or accuracy.

So basically, just another scam to cover up the deceit in a veil of "science".

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

"The messages captured researchers speaking in scathing terms about their critics, discussing ways to stonewall skeptics of man-made climate change, and talking about how to freeze opponents out of peer-reviewed journals." <--- This is how they used to roll. No surprises here.

&#8220;The release of the e-mails was a turning point, a game-changer,&#8221; Mike Hulme, a professor of climate change at the University of East Anglia, told The Guardian newspaper before the Russell report was released. &#8220;Already there is a new tone. Researchers are more upfront, open and explicit about their uncertainties, for instance.&#8221;

ClimateGate is the best thing that's happened to science in a long time.

 

[ericlp]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/08/science/earth/08climate.html?src=mv

Sheesh,

Lucky they were not hacking into Sarah Palins Email account they would have been sent to prison for a very long time!

Oh well, to no ones surprise the data is valid...

 

[JSt0rm]

No! teh shit aint realz. nothing you say will make it realz these just is over educated liberals.

 

[Throckmorton]

I don't care what they "think" the emails portend or not. I want the raw temperature data without alteration. Given that they destroyed that data they cannot ever be trusted.

That's just stupid, but irrelevant. There are plenty of climate data and climate researchers in the world- that university is just one organization.

 

[JockoJohnson]

No! teh shit aint realz. nothing you say will make it realz these just is over educated liberals.

That's a bit redundant, isn't it? By definition of the word, liberals are all educated and superior to everyone else on the planet.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That's just stupid, but irrelevant. There are plenty of climate data and climate researchers in the world- that university is just one organization.

Get real. There's only a handful of 'kingpin' organizations that directly affect IIPC policy/reports and CRU is one of them.

 

[sandorski]

Dude, the Twin Towers were Blown up with Professionally placed Charges! Ain't no way no how gonna change my mind, especially now that a Kenyan Muslim Commie is in the White House.

 

[dmcowen674]

103 degrees on the East Coast, damn that Global Cooling is a bitch.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Dude, the Twin Towers were Blown up with Professionally placed Charges! Ain't no way no how gonna change my mind, especially now that a Kenyan Muslim Commie is in the White House.

Time to lay off the bong sandorski...serious fail.

 

[bfdd]

103 degrees on the East Coast, damn that Global Cooling is a bitch.

And it's not even sunny nor over 70 in Los Angeles. In fact it's been rather cool and overcast here for a week or so now. ZOMG GLOBAL WARMING IS A BITCH!

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

&#8220;We find that their rigor and honesty as scientists are not in doubt,&#8221; Mr. Russell said. &#8220;But we do find that there has been a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness.&#8221;

Isn't he basically saying that they only released certain data, which thus skews the results? Sounds like dishonesty and bad science to me.

 

[sandorski]

Time to lay off the bong sandorski...serious fail.

Lay off the bong, impossible since you've been bogarting it so much.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

103 degrees on the East Coast, damn that Global Cooling is a bitch.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...4500/Alice-Springs-coldest-day-on-record.html

FYI...Australia is setting record cold temperatures as we speak.

 

[cubby1223]

103 degrees on the East Coast, damn that Global Cooling is a bitch.

Have you checked the temperatures on the West coast today?

 

[theeedude]

Why is Fox News not reporting this?

 

[cubby1223]

Lucky they were not hacking into Sarah Palins Email account they would have been sent to prison for a very long time!

No one has been "sent to prison for a very long time" for hacking Palin's email account.

Do you just like to whine and bitch and moan all the time, or would you prefer to live in the real world?

The one constant theme to "progressives" seems to be you look for the absolute worst case scenario, and no matter how unlikely the chances of that happening are, get so up in arms to protect yourself against such a situation. Nobody is getting sentenced to fifty years in prison for looking at Palin's email account.


Oh, and I don't care anymore who says what, I still believe "Global Warming", or sorry the new P.C. term "Climate Change", has become ~99&#37; political and as such will always be questioned by many. I don't know what the truth is, I just know what the temperature is outside my home. And except for the past month, the previous 2+ years have been fucking cold.

 

[KlokWyze]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...4500/Alice-Springs-coldest-day-on-record.html

FYI...Australia is setting record cold temperatures as we speak.

Yes, but that is the point. Climate zones shift. ie Deserts move, forests becomes grasslands, grasslands to deserts, oceanic temps shift sending species farther north or south, etc. Displacing poor people in 3rd countries, driving economies crazy in "modern" countries.

It's really about the data over the long term so when someone points out that it's really hot today, it's not saying much. The fact is that there has been a steady increase in extreme changes in weather patterns for quite some time, likely not 100% to with carbon emissions, but probably strongly related.

At the very least to err on the side of caution would be smart in terms of "climate change". Don't rush head 1st in listening to every doomsday scenario, but it's pretty obvious that energy policy NEEDS to be changed drastically over a relatively long period of time.

 

[IGBT]

liars letting liars off the hook.

 

[dmcowen674]

And it's not even sunny nor over 70 in Los Angeles. In fact it's been rather cool and overcast here for a week or so now. ZOMG GLOBAL WARMING IS A BITCH!

Dude you are on the Pacific Ocean, the jet stream is parked overhead for a spell, wait a bit, it will move back north towards San Fran and you'll be baking soon enough.

 

[dmcowen674]

Why is Fox News not reporting this?

Because they are not a News organization.