Climate skeptics hold scientific review, unexpectedly find global warming is real

[QuantumPion]

It does not take a brain scientist to see that something has changed in our climate over the past 30+ years.

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, it used to rain all the time. The summer heat would cause thermal showers on an almost daily basis in June, July and August.

But now, we rarely get rain. Texas has been in a drought condition for almost 10 years. In 2009 Lake Travis in Texas went dry. Other parts of the south have to ration water. During 2009 and 2010, major cities in the south came within days of running out of water. In 2002 and 2003 dallas texas had to ration water. Parts of southeast Texas rainfall is 20 - 40 inches below normal for the past 2 or 3 years. We have lakes - lake sam rayburn - that have been 8 - 10 feet low for 2 years now.

We have gone from plenty of rain, to almost nothing in about 20 years.

Do people "really" need some kind of study to see that our climate is changing?

Where's that thread about facts vs. opinions when you need it?

 

[JS80]

Liberals are welcome to put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. That's the most effective way to reduce their carbon footprint.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The science is settled....we've been in an erratic warming trend since the last ice age. Oh noes!

 

[her209]

Liberals are welcome to put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. That's the most effective way to reduce their carbon footprint.

Just as soon as conservatives move to Somalia to reduce their taxes and have smaller limited government.

 

[Darwin333]

The question is, if it is man that is causing it how do you convince billions of people to continue living in huts and not increase their standards of living (which also increases their carbon footprint drastically)?

I guess we could always nuke em.

 

[Tom]

Liberals are welcome to put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. That's the most effective way to reduce their carbon footprint.

Education and advancement that flows from that are more effective means of accomplishing things than death. This can be observed by measuring the relative lack of success of cultures that rely on death as a means of advancing their society.

 

[QuantumPion]

Just as soon as conservatives move to Somalia to reduce their taxes and have smaller limited government.

lol good one.



and by "good one" I mean good job at completely discrediting yourself by rehashing the same tired old debunked liberal meme's.

 

[her209]

lol good one.

and by "good one" I mean good job at completely discrediting yourself by rehashing the same tired old debunked liberal meme's.

Gotta fight idiocy with idiocy.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Gotta fight idiocy with idiocy.

Good job!

 

[Darwin333]

That kind of regional change is much too complicated in what could cause it, to attribute to any man-made effects on global climate.

To evaluate global climate, it's important to look everywhere. And there's plenty of evidence of that kind to say there's a relationship between global warming and human development over the past 100 years.

It isn't possible to say what that means for sure, the system is way too complex. But it seems prudent to reduce what effects we are having as much as possible as soon as possible, because some possible outcomes are very dire.

How do you convince a guy that shits in a hole he dug himself behind his mud hut that he should not strive to have running water and electricity?

We can cut all we want here but any cuts made will soon be replaced and increased by other people simply trying to better themselves.

Most of the people on this rock do not live in decent conditions but they want to and a lot are making headway. In order to make headway they will increase their carbon emissions, there really isn't another way.

 

[ShawnD1]

How do you convince a guy that shits in a hole he dug himself behind his mud hut that he should not strive to have running water and electricity?

Have you ever seen that cartoon Captain Planet? He pulled shit like that all the time. There was an episode where Big Business Capitalis Fucks were trying to develop in Africa by building power plants and water treatment plants, and captain communist was actually fighting against this. I don't like playing the race card, but that show was hardcore racist. Europeans with electricity = the power is yours. Africans with electricity = nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

 

[Throckmorton]

How do you convince a guy that shits in a hole he dug himself behind his mud hut that he should not strive to have running water and electricity?

We can cut all we want here but any cuts made will soon be replaced and increased by other people simply trying to better themselves.

Most of the people on this rock do not live in decent conditions but they want to and a lot are making headway. In order to make headway they will increase their carbon emissions, there really isn't another way.

Unfortunately this is the real problem. We can't legislate away worldwide greenhouse gas emission. We're gonna burn fossil fuels until they get too expensive.

 

[her209]

Have you ever seen that cartoon Captain Planet? He pulled shit like that all the time. There was an episode where Big Business Capitalis Fucks were trying to develop in Africa by building power plants and water treatment plants, and captain communist was actually fighting against this. I don't like playing the race card, but that show was hardcore racist. Europeans with electricity = the power is yours. Africans with electricity = nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

This episode?

Season 1 Episode 19

19. Plunder Dam - Looten Plunder dams an African river and installs a large hydroelectric power plant, cutting off water supplies to the villages. Gaia warns that only carefully engineered dams are beneficial. The villagers soon realize that Plunder's electricity is not a fair trade for the food and water that the river provided. With their crops dying and thirst-crazed elephants on the rampage, they enlist the help of the Planeteers to stop Plunder's scheme. The Planeteers then build a wisely placed dam to balance proper river flow with electrification of the village.

 

[manimal]

I'm not suggesting famines are ok Dr. Einstein. Wow....oxygen depravation FTL.

But doing something about preventing them is not worth our time right>?



Shall we wait till it actually affects your life before we care?

 

[dguy6789]

Liberals are welcome to put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. That's the most effective way to reduce their carbon footprint.

Your political views are borderline religious. How disgusting.

 

[Genx87]

Just as soon as conservatives move to Somalia to reduce their taxes and have smaller limited government.

We want smaller limited govt, not a lack of govt. When will you fools on the left who want big govt figure out the difference? Somalia is an anarchists wet dream. Two different worlds.

 

[Tom]

How do you convince a guy that shits in a hole he dug himself behind his mud hut that he should not strive to have running water and electricity?

We can cut all we want here but any cuts made will soon be replaced and increased by other people simply trying to better themselves.

Most of the people on this rock do not live in decent conditions but they want to and a lot are making headway. In order to make headway they will increase their carbon emissions, there really isn't another way.

What are you arguing for ? We shouldn't do anything to reduce the carbon footprint of people because people don't want to live in huts ?

Seems like a good reason to do the opposite to me. Besides the potential carbon savings, some newer tech will be less costly and easier to implement than building old tech. Possibly.

One of the big costs for us of new tech, is switching over from our established power systems. Undeveloped parts of the world don't have to do that, they can go right to the newer systems, provided we keep working and investing in new ideas.

example-much cheaper to build cell towers than it is to run telephone lines and optical cable all over Africa. Not energy related, but the same thing could apply to energy. Localized wind power doesn't require long distance transmission that's expensive to build and maintain, and wastes a lot of the power.

 

[thraashman]

Well, at least we've answered another political question with this thread. We have answered why Obama shouldn't bother to show a "birth certificate". In here we have a conservative ordered study, ran by skeptics of global warming who agree with the conservative view, and largely funded by conservatives. And they show that liberals are right not conservatives, and the conservatives in here still do their best to argue against it. This ostrich head-in-the-sand technique is the EXACT reason why there's no arguing with conservatives. They're almost universally wrong about everything, it can be proven with FACTS that they are, and they won't listen. It's scary.

 

[Jaskalas]

The question is, if it is man that is causing it how do you convince billions of people to continue living in huts and not increase their standards of living (which also increases their carbon footprint drastically)?

I guess we could always nuke em.

There you go, save the planet, nuke the natives.

 

[Jaskalas]

Well, at least we've answered another political question with this thread. We have answered why Obama shouldn't bother to show a "birth certificate". In here we have a conservative ordered study, ran by skeptics of global warming who agree with the conservative view, and largely funded by conservatives. And they show that liberals are right not conservatives, and the conservatives in here still do their best to argue against it. This ostrich head-in-the-sand technique is the EXACT reason why there's no arguing with conservatives. They're almost universally wrong about everything, it can be proven with FACTS that they are, and they won't listen. It's scary.

What's scary is you take 2% of the data, with concerns to whether the temperature record is a fabrication, they realize that the 2% holds true to other findings, and you think that means anything significant at all. My skepticism is based on the assumption that the temperature record IS accurate. 0.7C is nothing, half of which is easily within the margin of error.

Oh, and we all know Berkeley is a bastion of conservatism. Clearly it's run by skeptics.

 

[her209]

We want smaller limited govt, not a lack of govt. When will you fools on the left who want big govt figure out the difference? Somalia is an anarchists wet dream. Two different worlds.

As soon as the fools on the right figure out that the military is part of said big government.

 

[matt0611]

Well, at least we've answered another political question with this thread. We have answered why Obama shouldn't bother to show a "birth certificate". In here we have a conservative ordered study, ran by skeptics of global warming who agree with the conservative view, and largely funded by conservatives. And they show that liberals are right not conservatives, and the conservatives in here still do their best to argue against it. This ostrich head-in-the-sand technique is the EXACT reason why there's no arguing with conservatives. They're almost universally wrong about everything, it can be proven with FACTS that they are, and they won't listen. It's scary.

I always thought everyone was of a consensus that global warming was real but just how much we are contributing to it is the question. I also agree that government can and should play a role in protecting other peoples property and to put limits on pollution. I'm a "conservative" btw.

Its the left's laughable ideas about how to go about solving the problem and the doomsday stuff I take issue with.

 

[Throckmorton]

I always thought everyone was of a consensus that global warming was real but just how much we are contributing to it is the question. I also agree that government can and should play a role in protecting other peoples property and to put limits on pollution. I'm a "conservative" btw.

Its the left's laughable ideas about how to go about solving the problem and the doomsday stuff I take issue with.

It's not a question. You can test in a lab how much a certain increase in greenhouse gases change the energy balance and how much heating that causes.

Arguing that we don't know how much man is contributing to global warming is like turning up your thermostat to 78 from 72, and then saying "I don't know how much of the warming was caused by me".

 

[JS80]

Your political views are borderline religious. How disgusting.

How else do you fight the church of global warming?

 

[Jaskalas]

How else do you fight the church of global warming?

They want us to pay tithe and make sacrifices to our way of life.

Oh, you meant fight not join.