Climate Scientist: US Owes World 40 Trillion Dollars for Trashing Climate

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Hugo Drax

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US Owes World 40 Trillion Dollars for Trashing Climate
“The rest of the world is crying out for help," Mathews said, "and the developed world is digging in its heels, and refusing to pay its debts.”

Check that first world privilege!

Stop digging in your heels!

Pay your climate debt!

Uno

The people in that Photo look pretty rich to me.
 

adairusmc

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We should pay it.
Lets make radioactive waste into money and send it to them on the end of an ICBM.

Solar power may be the key to energy in the future, but if they want us to pay this debt we can pay them with several megatons of canned sunshine.
 

1prophet

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Yeah but that's because you're a fucking loony.


So how come we aren't getting charged for the industrial revolution then? :sneaky:

To be serious for a moment though, I do think that a transfer of less polluting technology from the richer nations to the poorer nations and the cash to implement that technology would be a good goal.

Even better, apply the same regulations that require the use of less polluting technology globally,

a company looking to avoid labor, environmental, and safety rules in the creation of goods and services can't run off to some 3rd world country so they can avoid those regulations and in turn make a windfall profit by selling at the same price to the same 1st world countries as if it was made there price wise while they complain about being over regulated.

A perfect example of using the third world as a dumping ground by supposedly environmentally conscious 1st worlders

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/te...-has-become-africas-burden/article5038691.ece


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They are trying to remedy the situation now but it is going to take a very, very long time.
 
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Moonbeam

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Even better, apply the same regulations that require the use of less polluting technology globally,

a company looking to avoid labor, environmental, and safety rules in the creation of goods and services can't run off to some 3rd world country so they can avoid those regulations and in turn make a windfall profit by selling at the same price to the same 1st world countries as if it was made there price wise while they complain about being over regulated.

That would require competitors cooperating under some form of enforcement authority like a world government.
 

WelshBloke

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Even better, apply the same regulations that require the use of less polluting technology globally,

a company looking to avoid labor, environmental, and safety rules in the creation of goods and services can't run off to some 3rd world country so they can avoid those regulations and in turn make a windfall profit by selling at the same price to the same 1st world countries as if it was made there price wise while they complain about being over regulated.

Yep, I could go for that as well.
 

OverVolt

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You guys act like the developing nations get the raw end of the deal. They don't have to participate in the global economy if they don't want to. They make trades that benefit themselves just like anyone else. This is why climate science is such a joke because it ties into real world problems. A chart of sea rise isn't going to fix problems related to globalization. The energy trade isn't "imbalanced" whoever can afford the oil can buy the oil.
 

OverVolt

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Even better, apply the same regulations that require the use of less polluting technology globally,

a company looking to avoid labor, environmental, and safety rules in the creation of goods and services can't run off to some 3rd world country so they can avoid those regulations and in turn make a windfall profit by selling at the same price to the same 1st world countries as if it was made there price wise while they complain about being over regulated.

Yep, I could go for that as well.

This is dumb. Who would be responsible for enforcing rules across national borders.
 
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CZroe

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This is dumb. Who would be responsible for enforcing rules across national borders.

I think he's saying hat they can't just outsource or sell their products in the compliant countries. They'd be frozen out.
 

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USA Today
Poor nations want U.S. to pay reparations
Poorer nations suffering from extreme weather disasters, so much so that their citizens are seeking refugee in safer terrains outside their borders, want rich nations like the United States to pay for reparations and to relocate populations.
US politicians see a tremendous opportunity for them, and their well connected friends, to make money by redistributing your wealth ...

Your politicians want you to pay your climate debt. Their friends, and their foundations, are wanting, and waiting, to redistribute your wealth to their third world political friends...

The Political Science is settled...

Uno
 
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USA Today
Poor nations want U.S. to pay reparations
US politicians see a tremendous opportunity for them, and their well connected friends, to make money by redistributing your wealth ...

Your politicians want you to pay your climate debt. Their friend, and their foundations, are wanting, and waiting, to redistribute your wealth to their third world political friends...

The Political Science is settled...

Uno
Lol exactly.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Joke is on them, we'll totally destroy the entire planet long before they can collect. HAH!!
 

Moonbeam

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And you're right behind him wherever he goes! You're a brave man! :biggrin:

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that with regards to that poster, my comment was not only quite accurate but widely shared. I am doubtlessly as guilty here as I would have been shooing a dog which had already squatted off of my lawn.
 

Zodiark1593

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I don't think the third world has much of a shot of getting anything from the (still) most powerful nation in the world.
 

drebo

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I don't think the third world has much of a shot of getting anything from the (still) most powerful nation in the world.

That's the thing, though. They don't have to threaten or anything...they just have to pout and some bleeding heart will throw them money.
 

unokitty

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I don't think the third world has much of a shot of getting anything from the (still) most powerful nation in the world.

Indeed, that is what US politicians want you to think. Though, that is not what US politicians say to the third world.

Hillary Clinton Pledges $100B Annually for Developing Countries
COPENHAGEN -- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has promised the United States will help raise $100 billion annually by 2020 to assist poor countries in coping with climate change...

Maria de Fatima Monteiro Jardim, environment minister of Angola, noted that ..."The rich countries could give more, it's my opinion," Jardin said. "More, more, more, more."
Not to mention how much that the politicians could make for themselves and their friends by funnelling that 'Climate Change' money through foundations that they control... Kind of like what happened with the billions raised after the earthquake in Haiti.


Uno
 

soundforbjt

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Interesting reading. I assume those sites and the writers are considered unreliable around here?

Here's info about the Daily Caller writer:
The author of the piece was given the title of "Investigative Researcher of the Daily Caller News Foundation" based on his experience in the following internships and gigs at Koch-funded operations, according to his own LinkedIn profile:

Koch Internship Program at Charles Koch Institute
Government Relations Intern at The Heritage Foundation
Koch Summer Fellow at Institute for Humane Studies
Research Associate at Cascade Policy Institute
Public Affairs Intern at ALEC
In fact, Bastasch's online resume makes it look as though his post at the Daily Caller News Foundation since January of 2012 overlaps with a Koch Internship that began in 2012. Are they one and the same? Regardless, this recent college grad has already garnered months of experience nursing at the teat of Koch money through multiple right-wing groups.