Climate change has a firm grip

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: boomerang
I blame the industrial revolution.

And greed.

Absolutely. I cannot believe people who buy cars, trucks, electronics, plastics, furniture and also expect cheap and plentiful food such as strawberies from Chile in January. Imagine how if people were not so greedy, we could have a pristine environment unsullied by the unnatural man. Where plants and animals could live and grow as they once did, unfettered and ever unchanging throughout eternity.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: boomerang
I blame the industrial revolution.

And greed.

Absolutely. I cannot believe people who buy cars, trucks, electronics, plastics, furniture and also expect cheap and plentiful food such as strawberies from Chile in January. Imagine how if people were not so greedy, we could have a pristine environment unsullied by the unnatural man. Where plants and animals could live and grow as they once did, unfettered and ever unchanging throughout eternity.

Exactly! We could all dance and sing naked in the street, draped with only the leaves from a nearby tree allowed to grow free once more where in times gone by a patterened house in a patterned subdivision would have once been planted! Ahhhh!

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: NeoV
fish - there is a rather large difference between a meteorologist - who predicts the weather over a period of days, and a climatologist, who deals with long-term climate changes

They both can't get it right.

 

[winnar111]

Buh buh buh Bush!

Tell me, what did Kennedy, Johnson, and Carter do for voodoo science climate change?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: NeoV
fish - there is a rather large difference between a meteorologist - who predicts the weather over a period of days, and a climatologist, who deals with long-term climate changes

They both can't get it right.

Yes, but one is wrong on a regional scale while they other is wrong on a global scale. Its about magnitudes.

 

[sandorski]

It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

 

[CPA]

Hey, OP, you might want to note Bush is not president anymore. Carry on.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

Yep...everyone save all your money and buy carbon credits FTW!!!!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

Yep...everyone save all your money and buy carbon credits FTW!!!!

No.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

Yep...everyone save all your money and buy carbon credits FTW!!!!

No.

Damn...and it seemed like such a good idea.

 

[GoPackGo]

The first thing the MMGW/CG Fanatics should do is turn off their computers.

Then turn off the A/C or the heat.

Then give up thier mode of transport, unless its strictly walking

Then grow their own cotton so they can make their own clothes

But not use any technology created in the last 200 years since it has all contributed to their dilemma.

By using ANY technology they become HYPOCRITES.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
The first thing the MMGW/CG Fanatics should do is turn off their computers.

Then turn off the A/C or the heat.

Then give up thier mode of transport, unless its strictly walking

Then grow their own cotton so they can make their own clothes

But not use any technology created in the last 200 years since it has all contributed to their dilemma.

By using ANY technology they become HYPOCRITES.

Negative. The Deniers should cease being Idiots though.

 

[ElFenix]

full disclosure would be nice

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
The first thing the MMGW/CG Fanatics should do is turn off their computers.

Then turn off the A/C or the heat.

Then give up thier mode of transport, unless its strictly walking

Then grow their own cotton so they can make their own clothes

But not use any technology created in the last 200 years since it has all contributed to their dilemma.

By using ANY technology they become HYPOCRITES.

You just don't get it DO YOU? :|

The dust mites that live on the Syrian desert camel dung beetle might become extinct.

UNDERSTAND NOW? :|

 

[manowar821]

So, somebody wake me up when the knuckle-dragger crowd have had their turn slinging the poop.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
The first thing the MMGW/CG Fanatics should do is turn off their computers.

Then turn off the A/C or the heat.

Then give up thier mode of transport, unless its strictly walking

Then grow their own cotton so they can make their own clothes

But not use any technology created in the last 200 years since it has all contributed to their dilemma.

By using ANY technology they become HYPOCRITES.

Everyone who is in business to make money should stop buying things, paying rent on an office, paying employees, and all that.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T MAKE MONEY BY WRITING A LOT OF CHECKS, AMIRITE?

 

[smokeyjoe]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

Yep...everyone save all your money and buy carbon credits FTW!!!!

I think people are beginning to see just how ridiculous that solution really is.. this whole thing is a joke.. they created a commodity market for carbon to "save the planet"..

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

Yep...everyone save all your money and buy carbon credits FTW!!!!

I think people are beginning to see just how ridiculous that solution really is.. this whole thing is a joke.. they created a commodity market for carbon to "save the planet"..

I personally think it is genius. Still debating if I should erect a carbon credit based business.

 

[smokeyjoe]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

Yep...everyone save all your money and buy carbon credits FTW!!!!

I think people are beginning to see just how ridiculous that solution really is.. this whole thing is a joke.. they created a commodity market for carbon to "save the planet"..

I personally think it is genius. Still debating if I should erect a carbon credit based business.

I agree, it's a genius way for them to make money, not do any good for the environment.. google "carbon offset" and you can find lots of snake oil salesmen.

I've considered a business too (not seriously) where for people who pay to offset their carbon usage, I'd water my plants or breathe a little shallow for a few minutes

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: NeoV
fish - there is a rather large difference between a meteorologist - who predicts the weather over a period of days, and a climatologist, who deals with long-term climate changes

What?

They both make predictions that they try and convince people is fact.

They both are wrong about 99.9% of the time.


I would say they are pretty close

 

[mxyzptlk]

Why deny that humans have an effect on the climate? What is to be gained by plugging your ears and shouting "lalalalala" on the subject?

Even to a complete layman, how can you deny that digging gigatons (such a cool word) of carbon out of the ground and spraying it into the air wont have some sort of adverse affect?

I guess it's that thing where you just really don't want to admit that you're wrong about something, even in the face of massive amounts of evidence to the contrary..

I still don't get it. I mean it's not like quantum physics or something, where everything is really esoteric and counter-intuitive... putting carbon in the atmosphere makes it warmer.. humans are putting carbon in the atmosphere.. Not complicated at all.

 

[chrisho]

Let me summarize.


Since Obama is now President all those bogeymen of George Bush's terms are no longer an issue. Isn't it so convenient how Global Warming, the Federal Deficit, and FISA, are no longer bad things?

I wonder why?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's real folks. Best do something about it and quit trying to deny your responsibility.

Yep...everyone save all your money and buy carbon credits FTW!!!!

I think people are beginning to see just how ridiculous that solution really is.. this whole thing is a joke.. they created a commodity market for carbon to "save the planet"..

I personally think it is genius. Still debating if I should erect a carbon credit based business.

I agree, it's a genius way for them to make money, not do any good for the environment.. google "carbon offset" and you can find lots of snake oil salesmen.

I've considered a business too (not seriously) where for people who pay to offset their carbon usage, I'd water my plants or breathe a little shallow for a few minutes

Oh I agree the science behind it isnt there. But it is genius playing off people's precieved guilts. I have done a little homework and think there is some money to be made in a specific carbon offset. Just labor intensive but could be a big money maker.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Why deny that humans have an effect on the climate? What is to be gained by plugging your ears and shouting "lalalalala" on the subject?

Even to a complete layman, how can you deny that digging gigatons (such a cool word) of carbon out of the ground and spraying it into the air wont have some sort of adverse affect?

I guess it's that thing where you just really don't want to admit that you're wrong about something, even in the face of massive amounts of evidence to the contrary..

I still don't get it. I mean it's not like quantum physics or something, where everything is really esoteric and counter-intuitive... putting carbon in the atmosphere makes it warmer.. humans are putting carbon in the atmosphere.. Not complicated at all.

Who is denying we dont have an effect? The debate has moved past that long ago. The debate is whether or not it is significant, or significant enough that curtailing our standard of living will make any measureable difference.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: chrisho
Let me summarize.


Since Obama is now President all those bogeymen of George Bush's terms are no longer an issue. Isn't it so convenient how Global Warming, the Federal Deficit, and FISA, are no longer bad things?

I wonder why?

What moon do you live on?

Global warming has always been a bad thing. The problem the left had with Bush's spending was what he was spending it on, not that he was spending money. They don't like illegal wars and tax cuts for the rich. I'm not sure what you mean about FISA, but the bad thing about that was how Bush committed hundreds if not thousands of felonies by deliberately breaking the law in regards to FISA. The law that exists now is substantially different than that, but if you have evidence that Obama is breaking this new law, then that would also be a bad thing.

If you were paying even the slightest bit of attention, all these things would be obvious to you.