click it or ticket - anyone own an old car with no seat belts?

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
I don't get why they are doing this for "safety reasons" and to "save lives" when they let motorcyclists ride on by without helmets on. Who is going to survive a crash better, a guy encased in metal without a belt on or a guy thrown headfirst into the ground at 60mph without a helmet. If they're going to "save lives" (read make money) they could at least do it the right way by making it a fair judgement.

That depends on where you are. Motorcyclists are required to wear helmets in California.

Well in Indy, at these checkpoints where my time is wasted almost daily, I see motorcycles just zoom on through unmolested.

They actually have checkpoints? They'll write you a ticket here, but they don't have checkpoints.

Yes, I was stopped twice on my way to work yesterday. They basically do it at stop signs, they set up two cops. One watching at the stop sign for your belt and issuing tickets. The other is parked on a motorcycle about half a mile away making sure that you either don't take off your belt again, or that you don't blow through the checkpoint.

 

[Pepsi90919]

i hate seatbelt laws, jesus christ if i want to die just let me 😛

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Yes, I was stopped twice on my way to work yesterday. They basically do it at stop signs, they set up two cops. One watching at the stop sign for your belt and issuing tickets. The other is parked on a motorcycle about half a mile away making sure that you either don't take off your belt again, or that you don't blow through the checkpoint.

We have the checkpoints up here in West Lafayette also. They are a real pain in the ass to drive through when all Purdue employees are on their way home from work.

 

[Underground727]

Haven't seen checkpoints yet but I see these gay commercials on TV all the time. Couple months ago got pulled over for 68 in a 45 and the state trooper only gave me a ticket for not wearing my seatbelt. That was cool as hell.

I figure that no one else should have the right to force me wear a seatbelt. It is my life.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Yes, I was stopped twice on my way to work yesterday. They basically do it at stop signs, they set up two cops. One watching at the stop sign for your belt and issuing tickets. The other is parked on a motorcycle about half a mile away making sure that you either don't take off your belt again, or that you don't blow through the checkpoint.

We have the checkpoints up here in West Lafayette also. They are a real pain in the ass to drive through when all Purdue employees are on their way home from work.

that is why i just drive around them. I take a residential street and come back on the street that i am driving after the check point

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Underground727
Haven't seen checkpoints yet but I see these gay commercials on TV all the time. Couple months ago got pulled over for 68 in a 45 and the state trooper only gave me a ticket for not wearing my seatbelt. That was cool as hell.

I figure that no one else should have the right to force me wear a seatbelt. It is my life.

Then pay for your own life.. don't raise the rest of society's medical bills.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
why would anyone not want to wear seatbelts...i dont feel comfortable in a car if im not wearing them

It's called choice and personal responsibility.

Let's start a separate insurance company just for people who don't wear seatbelts. Then, my rates will go down and they can pay their share for their choice.
Then again, that's stupid, because it doesn't stop people from having a poor diet which contributes far more to healthcare costs than a lack of helmets or seatbelts.

 

[anno]

Originally posted by: notfred
If you do, ever get pulled over for not wearing your seatbelt? What happened?

By the way, those ads are annoying. Stupidest "catch phrase" ever.

I'm more curious if anyone has any pre-seatbelt cars, though. Should be legal to drive them without seatbelts, but some cops are less than educated about the special cases of some laws.

I would imagine they could get exceptions due to their antiquity. they'd have to be really old! my husband's car is a '69.. it has (factory installed) seat/shoulder belts..

anno

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
I've always been curious... why don't school busses have seatbelts? I think they're starting to put them in nowadays, but they didn't have them when I was in school. What took so long?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

When in doubt, money is always the bottom line.

"The answer to the question 'Why?' is always 'Money.'" - Robert A. Heinlein 🙂

Actually, the real answer to why school busses don't have seatbelts is a bit more complex. They experimented with them back when I was a kid in the '70s. A big problem was that the kids were hitting themselves over the head with them.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: anno
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I would imagine they could get exceptions due to their antiquity. they'd have to be really old! my husband's car is a '69.. it has (factory installed) seat/shoulder belts..
anno

I 'think' that all cars were required to have seat belts in 1965.
Some cars had them earlier. I had a 1954 Ford that had mounting points built into the rear floor pan, but no belts installed.

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: CPA
The seatbelt law is one of the most intrusive laws on the books and should be eliminated. Seriously.


/puts flamesuit and that new flame helmet on/

Not gonna flame you, but think about the EMT that has to scrape up your dead carcass from the side of the highway when you have an accident. My brother is an EMT, and he has told some rough stories of people who would still be alive if they had just put the seatbelts on.

 

[Mallow]

My dad owns a 50's GMC & Chevy... neither have seat belts or any of the other saftey features you find on modern cars. Also, it doesn't have any emmision standards.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Thump553
I have no objection to people riding without seatbelts, or on bikes without helmets, PROVIDED they have sufficient funds salted away to pay their expected medical bills and future living expenses caused by their easily preventable injuries. If they don't have that cash, then I object strenously to them imposing their frivilous medical expenses on me and the rest of society under the guise of "personal freedom."

But I have a feeling that the same irresponsible people claiming impingement of their freedoms would be the very first to cry out for their "entitlements" at the time of injury.

Incidentally, it is extremely rare for police to ticket just for a seatbelt offense. I've never seen this happen outside of a special enforcement campaign or where the seatbelt violation is in lieu of one or more other violations.

BINGO we have a winner.

The reason I want people to wear a seatbelt and wear a helmet is because I don't want to be stuck paying your bills after you are in the hospital and can't pay hundreds of thoiusands of dollars for you med-treatment. And I have 2 cars, 1 truck, and I use to have motorcycle before my accidnet and I always wear my seatbelt or helmet, as I know I don't have enough money to cover a major accident or even a minor one.

So unless you have $500,000 in med-insurance then you need buckle up and put your damm helmet on.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: anno
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I would imagine they could get exceptions due to their antiquity. they'd have to be really old! my husband's car is a '69.. it has (factory installed) seat/shoulder belts..
anno

I 'think' that all cars were required to have seat belts in 1965.
Some cars had them earlier. I had a 1954 Ford that had mounting points built into the rear floor pan, but no belts installed.

Actually they were still optional in 1965. Federal law did not mandate seat belts (lap belts a minimum) until I think 1968. I know for sure that it was after 1966.

My 1957 Thunderbird has no seat belts and I have never been hassled by a police officer while driving it. Most cops are car guys in a way and I think they tend to give the nod to the older cars, especially when driven by an adult. I have gotten away with murder driving my '66 Shelby many times when I should have received a ticket.

Now, I did get hassled in my Shelby one night back in 1986 on Westheimer Blvd in Houston because of seat belts. The law here in TX had just gone into affect and the cops were being rather prickish about the whole thing. The Shelby does have seat belts from the factory so I am required to wear them since my vehicle came originally equipped with them and I have no argument with that. The belts are the 3" competititon type lap belts only and I always wear them when I am in the car. That night a cop pulled up next to me and started yelling at me and my passenger to wear our belts. I kept telling him we were and pointed to the lap belts which he could not see of course. He insisted we were not wearing them since he could not see the shoulder straps. I kept trying to explain to him that my car did not come with shoulder straps but he just got pissed at me and yelled more. Finally he screamed for me and my passenger to put our belts on and if he saw us again that evening not wearing them he would ticket us......then he sped off angry. Luckily we didn't see that idiot anymore that evening. This is a prime example of where the police officer really should understand the law he is trying to enforce. We thought he was an idiot and that the whole thing was funny. We really wanted him to actually pull us over so he could walk over to the car, see our belts were on, and then fell like a complete idiot......it really would have been priceless.

 

[Sid59]

my 67 Dodge Dart only has two lap belts. and none in the back.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Ylen13
that is why i just drive around them. I take a residential street and come back on the street that i am driving after the check point

Campus has many one way streets and the main spot they hit is probably the most travelled exit off campus. It is a one way street with a hidden bend. They tend to sit around the bend where you can't see them. It being a one way street also does not allow for exiting onto side streets since there are none.

 

[anno]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: anno
[

I would imagine they could get exceptions due to their antiquity. they'd have to be really old! my husband's car is a '69.. it has (factory installed) seat/shoulder belts..
anno

I 'think' that all cars were required to have seat belts in 1965.
Some cars had them earlier. I had a 1954 Ford that had mounting points built into the rear floor pan, but no belts installed.

I remember when seatbelts became available.. I mean I remember it happening, I don't remember what year it was exactly. I would guess around 64-65, that would have put me around 8 or 9 and I'm not sure I would remember it much before that. maybe 63.. my dad had seatbelts installed in the car we owned at the time, the first chance he had to do so.. it was a big deal! people *laughed*. my sister had landed in the ER for stitches when she was 2ish, no accident involved, just messin' around uncontained in a moving car.. back then they had pull out ashtrays built into the middle of the front seat back (at least the car we had at the time) and she fell and cut her face.. dad never was good at blood.. first chance he found to tie us to the car seats, he jumped on!

edit: my husband's '69 is imported.. (volvo p1800).. maybe that has something to do with it coming with it coming with lap/shoulder belts. they're far from fine.. difficult to adjust.. but once you get them adjusted you do feel strapped in (and heaven help you if you drop something).

anno

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation



Yes, I was stopped twice on my way to work yesterday. They basically do it at stop signs, they set up two cops. One watching at the stop sign for your belt and issuing tickets. The other is parked on a motorcycle about half a mile away making sure that you either don't take off your belt again, or that you don't blow through the checkpoint.

sounds like what they do in school zones

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: MacBaine


Then pay for your own life.. don't raise the rest of society's medical bills.

Then stop eating red meat, fast food, or anything else that's unhealthy.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Illegal immigrants who get caught driving without seat belts should be deported, no questions asked. Either buckle up or get out.

 

[Ylen13]

can they ticket a deplomat if he is not wearing a seat belt?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: DrPizza


Then again, that's stupid, because it doesn't stop people from having a poor diet which contributes far more to healthcare costs than a lack of helmets or seatbelts.

BINGO, we have a winner.

For all the people who complain that their rates will go up if I don't wear my seatbelt, I'm demanding that you immediately stop eating unhealthy food. Health problems due to poor diet VASTLY outweigh health problems due to not wearing your seatbelt.

Since you people seem to feel that the threat of paying higher insurance premiums gives you the right to force your ideas down someone else's throat in the name of safety, likewise I should do the same. Stop going to McDonald's NOW. Stop eating red meat NOW. No more soda for you. Let's pass a law banning it. I'll point to health problems related to diet as my justification.

 

[Marshallj]

I find it strange that someone can enthusiastically argue in support of seatbelt laws and point to higher medical bills and insurance rates as their justification, then they jump in their car, put their seatbelt on, light up a cigarette and go to McDonald's.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: MacBaine


Then pay for your own life.. don't raise the rest of society's medical bills.

Then stop eating red meat, fast food, or anything else that's unhealthy.

Funny as to who you singled out for that comment.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
I find it strange that someone can enthusiastically argue in support of seatbelt laws and point to higher medical bills and insurance rates as justification for their cause, then they jump in their car, put their seatbelt on, light up a cigarette and go to McDonald's.

A-F*CKING-MEN.

Let's go "Demolition Man." All unhealthy things banned. Let's make our society totally clean, healthy, safe, and utterly F*CKING boring.

Yeah, let's do that.