Clerics signing up for fight against Israel.

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: RichardE

It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing."

I'm sorry, but this is outright false. You have such a narrow frame of mind and history to consider this true.

The Arabs kept the writings of Plato, Aristotle and other Greek thinkers alive during the European Dark Ages. They expanded astronomy, medicine, anatomy and other sciences while Europe burned witches and forgot how to read.

There are several major reasons why the Arab world has faltered in the modern era. One has to do with post-WWI arrangements after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The British system of mandates basically chopped the Arab world into pieces that had nothing to do with culture, territory and ethnicity. Secondly, support for the Nazis during WW2 left a bad taste in Truman's mouth and after the war, US relations with the major nations were hugely strained and even hostile (look at Iran in 1953). FDR and the Sauds were friendly towards each other and if survived his entire 4th term, the entire Middle East would be different today. Finally, we stifle the populaces of the major countries in the Middle East by not allowing democratic and economic reforms. So what happens? As Obama eloquently put, they cling to their religion and values. The only groups with any real power, outside the dictators and rulers, are the Islamic groups that have radicalized in the last 40 years. Before the 70s, the major Islamic groups concerned themselves with religion and not much else. However, they have become an outlet for political and social change in today's times, since almost no other groups are allowed to organize themselves.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I don't think Iran hates Israel because they are Jewish.
They hate Israel because they are what they used to be (Iran pre-revolution).

Iran used to be the big dog in the M.E. Then they turned to ghetto-ness Islam.

Iran doesn't hate Israel because they are Jewish. They hate Israel because they are a Jewish country. They'd hate Israel if it were a Christian country, a Buddist country, or any country that was predominately non-Muslim. It's a sort of manufactured religious xenophobia.

I don't believe that Iran truly hates Israel either. I seriously doubt most Iranian people do and it's likely that even many of the clerics don't hate them. What they do is use Israel, along with the Palestinians, as a political/religious tool - a tool to dupe the useful idiots in their own country as well as the useful idiots of the world. Unfortunately the world is full of useful idiots so they have a large well to draw from.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The people inside Iran who protest this crap are old farts. Send them to Gaza. I'd love to see them get killed.

exactly this. the second I saw the words Iran, I said fuck em. they can be radical all they want, they defend terrorists, they are terrorists in the eyes of the common sensed world, and an enemy of Israel.

and if you haven't noticed, Israel has been eliminating them

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent

Which religion is "Stop killing us!"?

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent

Jainism?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Aimster
It's a war against Arabs.
Put a Jew in the middle of the street in Saudi Arabia. What happens?

Not much?

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Aimster
It's a war against Arabs.
Put a Jew in the middle of the street in Saudi Arabia. What happens?

Not much?

There are crazies in every religion, such as Greek and Armenian Orthodox Monks brawl at Jerusalem shrine, and Ethiopian Orthodox Church & Coptic Church of Egypt Holy war over Jerusalem church, etc...

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Zebo
Islam is a Religion of Peace

See, here is the problem. Islam is not, never has been, and never will be a "religion of peace"...

Bingo.

The jihadis take out a few Jews, then they get wiped out by some F-16s. The cycle continues. But notice who breaks the peace every time

Notice who's poverty stricken, every time?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Zebo
Islam is a Religion of Peace

See, here is the problem. Islam is not, never has been, and never will be a "religion of peace"...

Bingo.

The jihadis take out a few Jews, then they get wiped out by some F-16s. The cycle continues. But notice who breaks the peace every time

Notice who's poverty stricken, every time?

Interesting, that. Why do you think that is? Is it because the Israelis intentionally keep them that way, or is it because they're too busy both hating Israel and playing the victim to make something of themselves?

Why is much of the Islamic world a cesspool of shit, in spite of sitting on the largest concentration of easily accessible oil in the world?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Interesting, that. Why do you think that is? Is it because the Israelis intentionally keep them that way, or is it because they're too busy both hating Israel and playing the victim to make something of themselves?

Because they live under the siege of Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank.

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Why is much of the Islamic world a cesspool of shit, in spite of sitting on the largest concentration of easily accessible oil in the world?

Because the Western world has been playing divide and conquer all across the region for nearly a century now.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Interesting, that. Why do you think that is? Is it because the Israelis intentionally keep them that way, or is it because they're too busy both hating Israel and playing the victim to make something of themselves?

Because they live under the siege of Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank.

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Why is much of the Islamic world a cesspool of shit, in spite of sitting on the largest concentration of easily accessible oil in the world?

Because the Western world has been playing divide and conquer all across the region for nearly a century now.

What flavor was the Jihadist Koolaid this week? Just curious...

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent

some more than others, like muzzies. and some less than others, like budhists.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent

some more than others, like muzzies. and some less than others, like budhists.

Cough, Ghangis Khan, cough.

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent

some more than others, like muzzies. and some less than others, like budhists.

Cough, Ghangis Khan, cough.

No kidding. The Mongols destroyed the Caliphate in 1258 AD, not the Jews or the Christians. The Crusades that occured after 1258 were failures.

Why don't Muslims rally against China?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent

some more than others, like muzzies. and some less than others, like budhists.

Cough, Ghangis Khan, cough.

He was bad ass.

 

[gingermeggs]

Maybe it's the catch up and the ionizing of the middle east arab world, if america comes to help it opens up their throat at a bad time, for it will stretch America at a time financially it can't afford(you can't print money indefinitely), if it does you guys will need a wheel barrow to buy a loaf of bread inside of ten years time, the euro will succeed the usd with china in hot pursuit. Maybe the war is a corporate one??? Maybe a state verses state argument might start in the USA???? It's happened before and lets not kid ourselves it was over negro slaves, but money and control.

Lets not forget Kublai khan- who became a Muslim, even though he own the place..........why?
In hindsight we shouldn't of touch the ottomans in the east, but the fear there was they where becoming commie.
This world is delicately balanced, it doesn't take much to put it off, to get it on.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent

some more than others, like muzzies. and some less than others, like budhists.

Cough, Ghangis Khan, cough.

No kidding. The Mongols destroyed the Caliphate in 1258 AD, not the Jews or the Christians. The Crusades that occured after 1258 were failures.

Why don't Muslims rally against China?

Some do. The US is holding Uighurs in Gitmo at the request of China. One more outrage brought to us by the Bush administration.

 

[theflyingpig]

Good. Now they can all go to Israel and die along with the Palestinians.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Maybe it's the catch up and the ionizing of the middle east arab world, if america comes to help it opens up their throat at a bad time, for it will stretch America at a time financially it can't afford(you can't print money indefinitely), if it does you guys will need a wheel barrow to buy a loaf of bread inside of ten years time, the euro will succeed the usd with china in hot pursuit. Maybe the war is a corporate one??? Maybe a state verses state argument might start in the USA???? It's happened before and lets not kid ourselves it was over negro slaves, but money and control.

Lets not forget Kublai khan- who became a Muslim, even though he own the place..........why?
In hindsight we shouldn't of touch the ottomans in the east, but the fear there was they where becoming commie.
This world is delicately balanced, it doesn't take much to put it off, to get it on.

Well California is already broke, we don't even have money to pay state workers. Schwarzenegger is going to start issuing IOU's to government employees in the beginning of 2009. I haven't been back to the US in a long time (was in the Carib) and wow is this place depressing. Tons of empty houses, people crying about having no jobs--this is definitely not a recession but rather a depression. America is crumbling from within.

 

[gingermeggs]

Genghis Khan was a pagan, like most of Europe pre 500ad.
Their symbol was a round shiny metal disc and it same symbol thru most of the Asiatic horse nomads, even into the Carpathian basin and Parthia.

 

[gingermeggs]

Ohh and remember Islam wasn't even invented then, most of them (arabs) where paganistic in one way or another.
Jews have been relatively unimportant throughout the ages. God bless them! *sarcasm*
Now! get it in your heads there is no god- that wants to be recognized by an ideology or a state. think god is love! and thats it!
There is even a branch of jews that state this Fact, in a small way- they wait for the "messiah", just like the christians wait for the "second coming of Yesuah" and the Islamics wait for the "Alagich".
So why are they fighting if it's not for money and power?

 

[gingermeggs]

if someone is high up in china and caught with their fingers in the till they execute them.
now tell me you got no thieves in the us financially system? well....... where's some heads for the "great khan".
Capitalism needs a real quick rethink because everywhere is going fascist fast, sad thing is it would of been a good thing- if they had of dealt with corruption to any degree other then whats happened- hell I'll become a facist, commie or a muzzie(theocracy)! better then being a slave and prostitute to the rich. time to pay the ethical rent.

 

[gingermeggs]

the yids and the muzzies can go neck each other, but don't drag us into it. we are just starting to emerge out of the massive physiologic damage of the last century, if they want play hard ball let em.
Once fuels gone they won't be able to feed themselves.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Maybe it's the catch up and the ionizing of the middle east arab world, if america comes to help it opens up their throat at a bad time, for it will stretch America at a time financially it can't afford(you can't print money indefinitely), if it does you guys will need a wheel barrow to buy a loaf of bread inside of ten years time, the euro will succeed the usd with china in hot pursuit. Maybe the war is a corporate one??? Maybe a state verses state argument might start in the USA???? It's happened before and lets not kid ourselves it was over negro slaves, but money and control.

Lets not forget Kublai khan- who became a Muslim, even though he own the place..........why?
In hindsight we shouldn't of touch the ottomans in the east, but the fear there was they where becoming commie.
This world is delicately balanced, it doesn't take much to put it off, to get it on.

Well California is already broke, we don't even have money to pay state workers. Schwarzenegger is going to start issuing IOU's to government employees in the beginning of 2009. I haven't been back to the US in a long time (was in the Carib) and wow is this place depressing. Tons of empty houses, people crying about having no jobs--this is definitely not a recession but rather a depression. America is crumbling from within.

In the nineties, I couldn't get work here and I lived on the street for a little while, had to move state and have slowly regained my dignity and self-esteem because I can afford to pay the rent, but the wolf is still at the door as I don't seem able to get ahead financially, if I had no work for 2 months I would be back there.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Zebo
Islam is a Religion of Peace

See, here is the problem. Islam is not, never has been, and never will be a "religion of peace"...

Bingo.

The jihadis take out a few Jews, then they get wiped out by some F-16s. The cycle continues. But notice who breaks the peace every time

Notice who's poverty stricken, every time?

The Palestinians receive plenty of aid money from the Arabs and the feel gooders of the world. What are they doing with it. Or better, what are their leaders doing with it.

There is a chicken/egg cycle that goes on. It is up to the Palestinian leadership to break that cycle. But if they do so, they will lose their power.