Clerics call for Iraq to be Islamic state

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Clerics call for Iraq to be Islamic state

NASIRIYAH, Iraq - Hundreds of white-clad worshippers sat cross-legged on a boulevard in this war-shattered city Friday and listened to a cleric's exhortation: Iraqis must unite to create an Islamic state.


The same message resounded across Iraq (news - web sites) on the main day of Muslim prayers, as clerics spoke about the need to come together after the ouster of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). Some urged the United States to leave Iraq.


"It is a happy day for us because we can pray freely. It has been a long time," said Mohamed Ghalib, a 22-year-old student among the 2,000 worshippers filling two blocks of a main thoroughfare in Nasiriyah, the southern city that saw some of the fiercest fighting during the war.

At one Baghdad mosque, worshippers listened to a white-turbaned cleric, Abdel-Hadi al-Muhammadawi, demand that foreign "occupiers" leave Iraq, an apparent reference to the United States and Britain.


Then the cleric, a Kalashnikov assault rifle before him, recounted a tale of imprisonment and torture at the hands of Saddam's henchmen.


"They tortured my son in front of my cell to put pressure on me. They tore apart my turban," the sheik said, and he burst into tears. Hundreds of his followers wept along with him.


Clerics from both of Islam's main groupings ? Sunnis and Shiites ? called for unity and equality in a new Iraq. But the Shiite messages are the ones attracting the most attention these days.


The Shiites, long repressed under Saddam's Sunni-dominated regime, comprise 60 percent of the country's population of 24 million and they are fast filling a power vacuum left by Saddam's ouster.


"We have to be ready in the long term to establish our own Islamic state," said Asaad al-Nasseri, a prominent Shiite cleric who just returned from exile in Syria, speaking to the crowd in Nasiriyah.


Iraqi Shiites are organizing local committees, doling out funds to pay salaries, collecting looted property and sending militias to secure hospitals and electric plants. They have raised concerns that some may try to install a theocracy like the one next door, in Shiite-dominated Iran.


In an interview Thursday with The Associated Press, U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld indicated Washington will not allow that.


"If you're suggesting, how would we feel about an Iranian-type government with a few clerics running everything in the country, the answer is: That isn't going to happen," he said.


Although Shiites and the Sunnis often disagree, the sermons in Baghdad's mosques on Friday were of a piece, calling on the faithful to pull together in restoring the disorderly and troubled country.


Said Sheik Moayed al-Aathami, who led the prayers at the Sunni Abi Hanifah mosque in the neighborhood of Azamiya: "We want brotherly people, who help each other in times of difficulties."


"We want Muslim people equal in rights and duties ? Kurds, Arabs and minorities. We want Muslim people with no sectarian sensitivities," al-Aathami said.


In Baghdad's al-Mansour neighborhood, Shiite Muslims held prayers at the al-Rahman mosque, still under construction, and chanted in one voice, "Muslims. Not Sunnis or Shiites."


In Nasiriyah, Al-Nasseri said clerics should play a constructive role in postwar Iraq without overstepping their bounds.


"We have to preserve this country by respecting the professionals and not interfere in their work," he said.

As an example, he said clerics can help reopen hospitals without presuming to tell doctors how to treat their patients.

He also urged his followers to end the orgy of looting and lawlessness that has plagued Iraq since the fall of Saddam's government earlier this month.

"Looting is forbidden in our religion. The people of Iraq must make it a priority to preserve this property," he said.
 

Moonbeam

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We came to free the Iraqi people. Naturally by free we meant what we mean by free, not what they mean by it. They can't be free to have a theocracy if that's what they want. Now if the mullah was Falwell, maybe. Even with religion there are good ones and bad ones and we will be the judge of that too. Only a modest people can inflict freedom on people properly.
 

shiner

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Yeah well.....they can call for it on one hand and sh!t on the other and I bet I know which one gets full first.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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I think an Islamic State would be a monumental mistake, but we "liberated" them, they have the right to choose their own destiny.
 

ElFenix

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of course the clerics are. thats the problem with the middle east, you give them democracy and they quickly take it away from themselves and oppress minority views. iran may be coming around after 25 years though.
 

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Rumsfeld already said it wouldn't happen. They can have any kind of government they want, as long as it isn't like Iran's.

I think we should play the role that the military does in Turkey. The government can do what it wants, but if the religious fanatics get elected, we'll remove them by force. It seems to work for the Turks. Sort of like... separation of church and state enforced by bullets.
 

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Originally posted by: Stark
Rumsfeld already said it wouldn't happen. They can have any kind of government they want, as long as it isn't like Iran's.

I think we should play the role that the military does in Turkey. The government can do what it wants, but if the religious fanatics get elected, we'll remove them by force. It seems to work for the Turks. Sort of like... separation of church and state enforced by bullets.

Yeah, but those are Turks keeping Turks in check. Doing something like that using the US Army would be a big pay day for the "war against Islam" argument.
 

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Originally posted by: Stark
Rumsfeld already said it wouldn't happen. They can have any kind of government they want, as long as it isn't like Iran's..

Rumsfeld has no right to have a say. They took Saddam out, the job was done. If the major Iraqi people force want Islamic government, then it will happen. The US cannot keep declining the Iraqi's choice of leaders, else the US will invalidate itself because Iraqis will take what they want by force. As they should.
 

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of course if we take a nice decade to do it like japan and germany maybe they won't be so fervent
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
of course if we take a nice decade to do it like japan and germany maybe they won't be so fervent

Germany was given self rule in 1949 and Japan I believe was 1950. Not quite a decade.

 

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It's definitely not in our best interest to see a Iranian type government in Iraq, nor in the best interest of the people.
We need to keep religious fundamentalists out of the picture whether they be Graham or some Muslim cleric. Extremists are the bane of peace.

Of course we're suppose to have just come here to liberate, not dictate... but why deny it? We're in control.

 

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If we allow an Islamic goverment to be established in Iraq, one that treats women like dogs, where they can't work or go to school. One where little girls are chased back into burning buildings because their faces weren't covered, etc. ,etc. then everyone who fought and died in Iraq did so for naught. That is unacceptable to me.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
It's definitely not in our best interest to see a Iranian type government in Iraq, nor in the best interest of the people.
We need to keep religious fundamentalists out of the picture whether they be Graham or some Muslim cleric. Extremists are the bane of peace.

Of course we're suppose to have just come here to liberate, not dictate... but why deny it? We're in control.

I agree, but we have to remember that these people have lived in squaller for a long, long time. There is a whole generation out there that knows nothing but Saddam and sanctions. We need to stay there long enough so that a young generation of Iraqis, one that is highly educated and understands the advantages of a secular state can take over the country. This is going to take a long time, and is going to take an American commitment to bettering the educational infrastruture of Iraq. Japan and Germany had the advantage of having a population that was highly educated, so rebuilding them into modern democracies was a lot easier that it is going to be with Iraq. But we started this, so we need to stick with it for the long haul.