aimforsilence
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I ask again---how do you call microsoft and reach a real live human being?---what is the secret telephone number?---where I can tell someone my various tales of woe and actually receive help and answers to specific questions?---especially if my computer has crashed again.---because it can't even hang on to its start up files and has no built in redundancy.
99% of the time---their help files or troubleshooting is worthless.---they use on line vocabulary that is not even recognized by their own searches.---there is no such thing as step by step instructions.----------and then microsoft wonders why people bash them?
99% of the time---their help files or troubleshooting is worthless.---they use on line vocabulary that is not even recognized by their own searches.---there is no such thing as step by step instructions.----------and then microsoft wonders why people bash them?
aimforsilence
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Originally posted by: John
The sad thing is not all MS reps are knowledgable, and we seem to have conflicting stories.
1) Vista upgrade can be used for a clean install
2) Vista upgrade requires XP to be preinstalled
Until I receive my upgrade I am going to refrain from making further assumptions.
Yeah, I wish we had a definitive answer on this...
I guess it doesn't matter to me either way, since I'll be getting the academic upgrade version.
Nocturnal
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http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Vista_upg...ng_requires_old_OS_to_install#c4972774
This is now on Digg.com. Ars is reporting that you will need XP already installed and will not be able to use the disk to show that you are eligible for the upgrade.
This is now on Digg.com. Ars is reporting that you will need XP already installed and will not be able to use the disk to show that you are eligible for the upgrade.
oddly enough in all these articles Ultimate is not seeming to be mentioned, just like the one in the dailytech and arstechnica.
Then like another mentioned, at the winsupersite dated early november, they paint a different less painful upgrade procedure.
hmph.
Then like another mentioned, at the winsupersite dated early november, they paint a different less painful upgrade procedure.
hmph.
I can pretty much guarantee Thurrott didn't have an upgrade key when he was doing his testing. I posted the offical KB article in the other thread that says there are no verification checks in Vista setup.
But....can you do a dual boot install with an upgrade version of Vista? My plan is to keep XP and install Vista on a seperate hard drive and dual boot. Can you do this with the upgrade version? or do I need the retail?
granted I can agree with that; any thoughts on why ultimate has not been mentioned on any of these articles, even the MS KB one?
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This sucks!!!
Will probably mean that I do not buy Vista Upgrade Retail and go with an OEM version.
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID on their part.
Will probably mean that I do not buy Vista Upgrade Retail and go with an OEM version.
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID on their part.
Hurricane Andrew
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We'll have to see how things work after Vista comes out, if this is true WTF was Microsoft thinking?
EDIT: It looks like you can still do a clean install but you have to install XP first, looks like a hassle but definitely not a deal breaker.
EDIT: It looks like you can still do a clean install but you have to install XP first, looks like a hassle but definitely not a deal breaker.
SunnyD
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Oddly, the Action Pack specifically says they're shipping the Upgrade CD as to match the policy of what is provided to their VL customers (eg: Me.) I can fully attest that the VL versions (as available from the MVLS website) install just fine on a clean machine... after all, that would be this laptop that I am working on right now.
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Alright, if I got it right ...
I currently have a legit copy of Windows XP Home installed, and I still have my original install CD-Rom.
If I get a Windows Vista Upgrade CD/DVD, then will I have to enter yet another Key to activate Vista ? Or will it just ask me to confirm my XP installation and then it'll simply proceed on installing Vista on top of my XP install ? The thing is ... isn't it technically bad anyway to install any OS on top of another OS ? Possibly causing major problems ?
I currently have a legit copy of Windows XP Home installed, and I still have my original install CD-Rom.
If I get a Windows Vista Upgrade CD/DVD, then will I have to enter yet another Key to activate Vista ? Or will it just ask me to confirm my XP installation and then it'll simply proceed on installing Vista on top of my XP install ? The thing is ... isn't it technically bad anyway to install any OS on top of another OS ? Possibly causing major problems ?
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Yes, normally most people prefer to have the ability to do what is called a clean install. A clean install is when you wipe the drive and then re-install Windows as opposed to doing what you mentioned and having an OS already installed and then doing an in-place upgrade over that.
The main gripe that we all have with this, if it is true, is that you need to take two steps in order to get Vista installed. First will be to have XP already installed. With the older XP and below upgrade disks you could show that you're eligible for the upgrade by putting in a valid CD when it asks you to do so.
We really have to wait and see until more people get their free upgrade disks if this is going to be the standard. From the looks of things, there is mixed reactions and statements but the majority of the people researching this seems to be saying that you need to have XP already installed.
You can still do a clean install from the upgrade disc when you start it in XP, it will ask you if you want to do a clean install or in place upgrade.
Originally posted by: Aberforth
Originally posted by: John
What exactly is illegal about that method?
You want to pay for Upgrade version and run a clean install? So what's the use of Ultimate Full Version?
I think the point of the upgrades is you already bought and paid for a full version of a previous OS. Not that you will be upgrading an old OS.
The Technology Guarantee pricing, including some free upgrades, applies to purchases of XP software too, within a time frame of Oct '06, to sometime in march '07, not just when a computer was purchased.
For instance, you can get a free Vista Home Basic upgrade by buying any Retail packaged version of XP Home. Or a free Vista Business upgrade with a purchase of XP Pro.
aimforsilence
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THEIR IS NO PROBLEM... I just called Microsoft today.. TWICE.. and talked to 2 different activation reps. BOTH said that you can still Clean install. And that it was NEVER taken out. Whats happening is people are getting mixed within there Clean and "in-place" installations. For instance if you have Windows XP you can do an in-place install (meaning copying over XP) but you can still do a clean install. Where as Win 2000 you HAVE to do a clean install... there is no in-place for them.
there problem solved.
there problem solved.
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