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Originally posted by: BBond
What a fool.
Feel free to point out the lies in the report made by a military investigator (not the "Bush administration") by using a reputable source, and not some wench with a chip on her shoulder. Seeing as you're already wrong with one accusation, let's see how many more times you can stumble on this issue.
 
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Originally posted by: BBond
Wrong with an "accusation"?

Which "accusation" is that?
"That's only if you believe the Bush administration version of events."

It's not a Bush administration version. It's from a military investigation. The similar type of military investigation that went on at Abu Ghraib. I suppose those were all lies too? Or do you just pick and choose according to your personal preference?

 

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Abu Ghraib??? Where the grunts were responsible for all of the atrocities, right?

Commanders responsible for Abu Ghraib

By HELEN THOMAS
HEARST NEWSPAPERS

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon has got to be kidding. It turns out that only those rogue enlisted men and women and one woman general are to blame for the horrifying treatment of prisoners and detainees of the Iraqi war, according to Lt. Gen. Stanley Green, the Army inspector general.

He cleared four senior army officers of any responsibility for the abuse of prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison after reviewing the results of 10 separate inquiries into the prison abuse, some of which the world was able to view though photos.

In effect, his report is the final word unless there are some brave members of Congress who are willing to investigate the role of the military higher-ups who gave the green light for the severe interrogation of prisoners in U.S. custody.

The responsibility ultimately lies with President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, then White House counsel, who decided that the Geneva Conventions on Humanitarian Treatment of Prisoners of War didn't apply in the "war on terrorism."

Among the military hierarchy, only Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, an Army reserve officer who commanded the military police unit at Abu Ghraib, has paid a price. Karpinski, who was relieved of her command and given a written reprimand, claims she is a "scapegoat" and plans to fight the charge.

The military has targeted 125 individuals with either criminal or administrative charges in connection with 350 cases of abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan. Six low-ranking servicemen have been convicted or pleaded guilty to abuse-related charges.

In a recent interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Karpinski pointed to the role of Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who had been sent from his duty at the Guantanamo Bay, prison -- known as "gitmo" -- to Iraq where his orders were to "gitmoize" Abu Ghraib. Miller told officers there "to treat the prisoners like dogs."

Green exonerated Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, who headed the command in Iraq from June, 2003 to July, 2004. Green said charges against Sanchez and three of his senior deputies were "unsubstantiated."

So once again it's those GI renegades whose imaginative abuse of prisoners ran to nakedness, stacking nude men in a pyramid, and using leashed dogs to intimidate during questioning.

Bush has said he was opposed to torture. Fine. But the proof of the pudding is for him to issue an executive order against torture and to announce that the United States will again abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Civil rights groups, including Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union, are appalled at the Green report.

Human Rights Watch has called on Gonzales to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the roles of all U.S. officials "who participated in, ordered, or had command responsibility for war crimes or torture."

The human rights group also called for a bipartisan probe -- similar to the 9/11 commission investigation -- to look into the roles of Bush, Rumsfeld and former CIA director George Tenet.

"We believe that if the U.S. is going to wipe away the stain of Abu Ghraib, it needs to investigate those at the top who ordered or condoned abuse, and to come clean on what the president has authorized and repudiate once and for all the mistreatment of detainees in the war on terror," said Reed Brody, Human Rights Watch special counsel.

He said the fact that you have the same kinds of abuses going on in three different theaters (Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo) suggests that the responsibility is higher up.

The civil rights groups said the military appears to be incapable of investigating itself.

The Army inspector general's report follows one by Vice Adm. Albert Church, the Navy inspector general, who said he found no pressure from the chain of command that led to the prison abuses. Most of the Church report was classified but he found "no single, over arching explanation of the abuses."

Brody called it another "whitewash."

Anthony D. Romero, ACLU executive director, denounced the latest Army inquiry giving the topside of the Pentagon a clean bill of health. "The government cannot ignore the systemic nature of the torture that implicates the military chain of command to the very top," he said.

Oh, yes, it can. It already has done so.

And you have the nerve to tell me I choose according to personal preference?

Man, what a fool.

 

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Same BS as they're using -- and you're swallowing -- in the Sgrena assassination attempt.

Duh, it was all just an accident. A few bad apples.

Fool.

The Abu Ghraib whitewash

GIVEN the U.S. military's strict adherence to the chain of command, it is hardly surprising that an investigation of top brass by officers somewhere down the chain would produce anything other than a whitewash.

So it was with the inquiry by the Army's inspector general into the culpability of its top leadership in Iraq for torture and other abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

To no one's amazement, the inspector general cleared Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who had been Army commander in Iraq, and three of his deputies of any wrongdoing or failure of leadership in connection with the ghastly and inhumane mistreatment of inmates at the notorious prison near Baghdad.

Allegations that the senior leaders failed to prevent or stop abuse of Iraqis rounded up in terrorism sweeps were said to be "unsubstantiated."

But at least one independent inquiry, conducted at the behest of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, reached the opposite conclusion.

"We believe that there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the chain of command as far as Washington is concerned," declared former defense secretary James Schlesinger, who headed a four-member advisory panel that reported to Mr. Rumsfeld last August.

Another member of that panel, Tillie Fowler, said "We found fundamental failures throughout all levels of command, from the soldiers on the ground to Central Command and to the Pentagon," said Ms. Fowler, who died March 2. "These failures of leadership helped to set the conditions which allowed for the abusive practices to take place."

The Army, however, plainly had no stomach for tracing responsibility for the abuse any higher than necessary. Indeed, the only top officer left hanging is Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who was in charge of U.S. prisons in Iraq in 2003 and early 2004.

General Karpinski was suspended from her command soon after the Abu Ghraib atrocities became public in the famous digital photographs and she remains the top officer recommended for punishment.

In short, the main thing that the latest investigation proves is that the Army is incapable of impartially investigating itself.

 

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Here's another just in case there's a still a chance that you'll WTFU.

Abu Ghraib-One Year Later Comprehensive Report Documents Use of Psychological Torture by US Forces

One year after the release of scandalous photographs of US personnel torturing Iraqi detainees at the US-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, a new report provides extensive evidence that psychological torture was systematic and central to the interrogation process of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo.

The 135-page report, Break Them Down: Systematic Use of Psychological Torture by US Forces , by Physicians for Human Rights (PHR),is the first comprehensive review of the use of psychological torture by US forces. The report also examines the devastating health consequences of psychological coercion and explains how a regime of psychological torture was put into place in the US "war on terror."

"What the now infamous images from Abu Ghraib do not show is that psychological torture has been at the center of treatment and interrogation of detainees," said Leonard Rubenstein, PHR's Executive Director. "The Bush Administration decided to 'take the gloves off' in interrogations and 'break' prisoners."

Techniques of psychological torture used have included sensory deprivation, isolation, sleep deprivation, forced nudity, the use of military working dogs to instill fear, cultural and sexual humiliation, mock executions, and the threat of violence or death toward detainees or their loved ones. A source familiar with conditions at Guantánamo told PHR that deprivation of sensory stimulation and over-stimulation led to self-harm and suicide attempts.

Shockingly, there is strong evidence that psychological torture remains in use today. The recent announcement by the Defense Department that a new interrogation manual will eliminate techniques like stripping prisoners, keeping them in stressful positions for prolonged periods, using military dogs to intimidate prisoners, and sleep deprivation is a welcome sign but it remains unclear whether other techniques, including isolation and severe humiliation, remain permitted, and whether there are exceptions either at the behest of commanders or for certain detainees. And while the December 2004 opinion of the Office of Legal Counsel of the Justice Department largely restored individual accountability for engaging in physical torture, it essentially immunized military and intelligence officials from liability for psychological torture.

The report also demonstrates that official Pentagon investigations, including the report by Vice Admiral Church, do not take into account evidence reported here.
A Regime of Psychological Torture
Prolonged Isolation

The use of prolonged isolation took place in all three theaters of operation throughout the war on terror and most likely is continuing today. A source with knowledge of detainee operations at Guantánamo told PHR that in mid-2004 up to a quarter of the over 500 detainees were kept in isolation and that a new isolation facility, Camp Five, at Guantánamo opened in May 2004, modeled after a US "supermaximum" prison. It apparently has over 100 isolation units where lights are kept on for 24 hours a day.
Sleep Deprivation

The use of sleep deprivation was a common interrogation tactic in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantánamo. Detainees held at various locations in Afghanistan in 2002 and 2003 describe routinely being deprived of sleep. Similarly, at Guantánamo, sleep deprivation was regularly employed, and continued in 2004. Detainees held in January, March and April 2004 in Mosul and Tikrit, Iraq reported being subject to sleep deprivation.
Humiliation/sexual abuse

Severe humiliation through nakedness, violations of Muslim customs, and other methods have been pervasive. According to a PHR source familiar with conditions in Guantánamo, female interrogators sat on detainees' laps and fondled themselves or detainees, opened their blouses and pushed their breasts in the faces of detainees, kissed detainees and if rejected, accused them of liking men, and forced detainees to look at pornographic pictures or videos. Although the use of female interrogators appeared to decline in 2004, a source told PHR that humiliation and violation of cultural and religious taboos, including forced shaving, persisted.
Use of Threats and Dogs to Induce Fear of Death or Injury

There is evidence that that the use of dogs to instill fear and threaten detainees was used as an interrogation technique in all three theaters of operation, not only Abu Ghraib. Aside from the use of dogs, mock executions and death threats were prevalent in Afghanistan and Iraq. A detainee in Kandahar, Afghanistan says that in 2002, a 9mm pistol was held to his temple. In Iraq in 2003, several "staged executions" of detainees were observed with reports of US personnel holding guns to detainees' heads in Karbala and Taji, Iraq in the summer of 2003. Threats were extended to family members, particularly the wives and daughters of detainees.

A source familiar with conditions at Guantánamo in 2004 told PHR that US personnel there had devised a system to break people through a combination of humiliating acts, solitary confinement, temperature extremes, and use of forced positions.
Health Consequences of Psychological Torture

The PHR report reviews extensive clinical experience and studies that have revealed the destructive health consequences of psychological torture such as memory impairment, severe depression with vegetative symptoms, somatic complaints of headache and back pain, nightmares, feeling of shame and humiliation, and reduced capacity to concentrate. One of the PHR's sources familiar with Guantánamo said that detainees there suffer from incoherent speech, disorientation, delusions, and paranoia.
Prolonged Isolation

Studies have demonstrated that short-term isolation caused an inability to think or concentrate, anxiety, temporal and spatial disorientation, hallucinations and loss of motor skills. The ICRC, government reports and documentation of individual detainees, who have been subjected to long-term isolation, all substantiate the severe health effects of solitary confinement.
Sleep Deprivation

Total sleep deprivation can cause impairments in memory, learning and logical reasoning. Sleep restriction can also result in hypertension and cardiovascular disease. Two detainees held in Afghanistan said that several weeks of sleep deprivation left them terrified and disoriented.
Sexual Humiliation

Victims of sexual torture forever carry a stigma and will often be ostracized by the community. Sexual humiliation often leads to symptoms of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), major depression and multiple physical complaints such as headaches, eating disorders and digestive problems. Suicides may also occur unless a strong religious conviction forbids otherwise.

"The administration has created a regime of torture," said Rubenstein. "Decisions by civilian and military leaders, including Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, have permitted these types of techniques. It is a drastic departure from values, laws and practices long enshrined and embraced by military and civilian investigative traditions."

Compiled in this report are witness accounts, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, official investigations, leaked reports from the International Committee of the Red Cross, media reports and investigative reporting by PHR.

To end the use of psychological torture, the PHR report recommends that the Executive Branch and the Congress do the following:
To the Executive Branch

1. End and Prohibit the Use of Psychological Torture
2. Withdraw Legal Opinions That Permit Psychological Torture and Replace with Interpretation Faithful to Statute
3. Publicly Disclose Interrogation Rules
4. Hold Perpetrators Accountable
5. Rehabilitate and Compensate Victims of Torture
6. Permit Ongoing Monitoring
7. Promote Ethical Practice by Military Medical Personnel

To the Congress

1. Establish an Independent Commission to Investigate
2. Carry out its Oversight Responsibilities
3. Legal Reform

For a full copy of the report, please click here.

Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) mobilizes the health professions to advance the health and dignity of all people by protecting human rights. As a founding member of the International Campaign to Ban Landmines, PHR shared the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize.
 
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Now it's an assassination attempt (and good job diverting away from your mistake)?

Sheesh. I can't even laugh at you any more. I merely pity the delusional.
 

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A few "facts"

1. An assasination attempt? The chance of that is so remote because of the total lack of political gain. If it was an assasionation attempt then it would totaly cut of any support the Italians can give, and they have been a big supporters of the US since the begining. If it was an assasination attempt then it would only have a very limited effect on the hostage taking situation in Iraq... at best.

2. Beliving the Military report? That one is just, no, you cant. It is simply not in their best interest to show it was their fault so we can for a certain well before the report was published what it would say.

What is rather odd about the report is what the soldiers were doing to try to stop the car, its too 100% by the book to be belivable. If this was supposed to be a live or death situation then procedures can go out of wack more easily than anything.

3. Wait and see what the Italians will say when they have finished their criminal investigation.