Classified report UNCLASSIFIED by Copy&Paste

[LeadMagnet]

Classified Report

In March, U.S. troops in Iraq shot to death Nicola Calipari, the Italian intelligence agent that rescued the kidnapped journalist Giuliana Sgrena. U.S. commission on the incident produced a report which public version was censored for more than one third. Now Italian press is reporting that all confidential information in the report is available to the public, just by copying "hidden" text from the PDF and pasting it in a word processor (Italian). The uncensored report can now be directly downloaded

Classified Report

 

[ElFenix]

guess someone doesn't know how to operate pdf

 

[arsbanned]

Heh. All those names are public now. That's interesting. Now the Italians have even more reasons to love the U.S. :disgust:

 

[alchemize]

Even the classified report shows that she was a lying b*itch.

 

[conjur]

50mph in a tight on-ramp curve on a wet road? What was he really driving? An F1 car? :roll:


Also:

(U) A further constraint was the inability to reconstruct the event so as to provide accurate data for forensic analysis of bullet trajectory, speed of the vehicle, and stopping distance due to the inherent danger in the vicinity of the incident location. This was made evident during a site visit by the Joint Investigation Team when a hand grenade was thrown (from the Route Vernon overpass) at the Team?s vehicles as members were boarding, injuring one Soldier.

(U) These factors limited the forensic team?s ability to conduct an on-site, in-depth analysis, although extensive tests were performed on Camp Victory. As a result, the forensic studies of the car could not be as conclusive as they normally would be.

So, Baghdad is *too dangerous* for our military to conduct accident reconstruction?


BTW, links to redacted PDF and unredacted .DOC file:
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2005/05_Maggio/01/pop_omissis.shtml

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
50mph in a tight on-ramp curve on a wet road? What was he really driving? An F1 car? :roll:

Don't let a military investigation based on sworn statements and independent parties get in the way of your preconceived notions. Fvcking grunts, they should fry.

 

[conjur]

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
guess someone doesn't know how to operate pdf

 

[conjur]

Redacted recommendation:

(S//NF) Recommend the Force Protection Working Group consider the use of additional non-lethal measures (e.g., spike strips, temporary speed bumps, and wire) be emplaced to slow down or stop vehicles before the use of disabling shots. The intent is to provide as many non-lethal options as possible before asking a Soldier to focus on firing the weapon.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
50mph in a tight on-ramp curve on a wet road? What was he really driving? An F1 car? :roll:

Don't let a military investigation based on sworn statements and independent parties get in the way of your preconceived notions. Fvcking grunts, they should fry.

Are you referring to the soldiers who were carrying out their orders to fire at suspicous (generalized) vehicles?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
50mph in a tight on-ramp curve on a wet road? What was he really driving? An F1 car? :roll:

Don't let a military investigation based on sworn statements and independent parties get in the way of your preconceived notions. Fvcking grunts, they should fry.

Are you referring to the soldiers who were carrying out their orders to fire at suspicous (generalized) vehicles?

Don't read my last sentence as anything but a scowling sarcasm at our Patriot conjur.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The report concludes, and seems a reasonable conclusion, that the Italians should have coordinated this mission with the coalition forces and none of this would have happened in the first place. I tend to agree.

It's a shame that "Intelligence" rarely seems to actually be intelligent, no matter where it originates.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The report concludes, and seems a reasonable conclusion, that the Italians should have coordinated this mission with the coalition forces and none of this would have happened in the first place. I tend to agree.

It's a shame that "Intelligence" rarely seems to actually be intelligent, no matter where it originates.

Exactly. The US has the vast majority of the troops there. It seams reasonable that one would coordinate with them, especially since the travel route would involve the most dangerous road in the city.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The report concludes, and seems a reasonable conclusion, that the Italians should have coordinated this mission with the coalition forces and none of this would have happened in the first place. I tend to agree.

It's a shame that "Intelligence" rarely seems to actually be intelligent, no matter where it originates.

Exactly. The US has the vast majority of the troops there. It seams reasonable that one would coordinate with them, especially since the travel route would involve the most dangerous road in the city.

The road wasn't the airport road we hear about in the news. The road the Italians used to Baghdad Airport was a private road from the Green Zone to the airport.

The Americans were fully aware that the Italians had Sgrena and were headed to the airport. And the vehicle was fired upon from behind.

Giuliana Sgrena Blasts U.S. Cover Up, Calls for U.S. and Italy to Leave Iraq

AMY GOODMAN: Giuliana, the US military says your car was going very fast.

GIULIANA SGRENA: That?s not true, because we were slow, and we were slowing down, because we have to turn. And before there was some water, so it?s not true that the car was going fast.

AMY GOODMAN: They say the soldiers used hand and arm signals, flashed white lights and fired warning shots to get the driver to stop.

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, they didn?t. No, no. No light, no air fire, nothing at all. They were beside the road. They were not on the street. They were away ten meters, and they didn?t give us any sign that they were there, so we didn?t saw them before they started to shoot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did they shoot from the front or from the back?

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, on the back, not on the front. They shot on the back, because Calipari was on the back on the right and he was shot dead immediately, and I was injured on my shoulder, but I was shot by the back. So I am a proof that they were shooting on the back and not in front of the car. We can see by my injured where I was shot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the Italians do this report with the US military?

GIULIANA SGRENA: There were two Italians in the commission, but they don?t accept the conclusion of the commission, so now there is some discussion between the Italian authorities and the American ambassador here in Rome. But the two members of the commission, they don?t accept the conclusion of the commission, so there is a problem.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the Italians -- were they able to inspect the car?

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, we are expecting for the car tonight in Rome. We are supposed, the car will be in Rome tonight, and so the judges that they are doing the normal inquiry they can, they could see the car. I hope to see the car also, but we don?t know in which condition we will receive the car. And the Italian judges, they don?t know also the names of the soldiers that were involved in the shooting.

AMY GOODMAN: The other person in the car.

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the two of you testify?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes, he did the same testifying as mine, but the American, the commission didn?t take in account our testifying. It seems to be like that, because they didn?t mention about our testifying.

AMY GOODMAN: After they shot you and killed Calipari, what happened to the other man?

GIULIANA SGRENA: The other man left the car and was shouting that we were Italian and of the embassy, and he was speaking on the telephone with the Italian government. And we have, my husband, for example, he was there listening the call. And at a certain moment the soldiers, they imposed to these agents because these are agents of the Italian intelligence, and they imposed him to cut the call with the weapons.

AMY GOODMAN: Say that again. What did they do?

GIULIANA SGRENA: They stopped him to -- he was talking by telephone with the Italian member of the government. It was Berlusconi there and the -- it was his advisor Letta, there was the chief of the intelligence and also my husband and the director of my newspaper, because they were there waiting for our news of the liberation. And they was talking about the shooting and at a certain moment the soldier, the American soldier stopped him and with the weapon they imposed him to cut the communication.

AMY GOODMAN: And then what happened?

GIULIANA SGRENA: And then what happened I don?t know, because I was injured, so they brought me to the hospital, and I don?t know what happened to the other man, to the other agent.

AMY GOODMAN: Did you get permission, did Calipari get permission to drive on the road to the airport?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Of course, I was there when they called. They called the Italian, because there is an official that is linked to the Americans. And this Italian general spoke to the Captain Green, that is the American one, telling him that we were on this road and that they were aware that we were on that road. And this happened at least 20-25 minutes before the shooting.

AMY GOODMAN: This road?

GIULIANA SGRENA: They knew that we were on this road.

AMY GOODMAN: How do you know that they knew?

GIULIANA SGRENA: I know because I was there when the agent called the Italian one, the general that is in charge for the communication with the Americans, and this general did a testifying, telling that he was there with the Captain Green, and Captain Green was immediately informed about our traveling to the airport. And the Captain Green didn?t say no, so I think that he?s right. And he?s a general. I don?t think that this general made a wrong, false testifying.

AMY GOODMAN: So you?re saying Calipari spoke to -- this was an Italian or US general?

GIULIANA SGRENA: The Italians, they can?t speak to the Americans directly. There is a man, a special man, a general that is in charge for the communication with the American commanders. It?s impossible for an agent, an Italian agent, to speak with the Americans directly. I knew the rules because I was there many times. And I know that every time always in Iraq there is an Italian that is in charge for the communication with the Americans. And in this time, in this moment, was a general that was there speaking with the Commander Green that was the correspondent, American one. So I knew about that. And in all the newspaper, Italian newspaper, was published that. So there is no problem of communication. Commander Green knew about our presence on that road. If he didn?t inform the mobile patrol, we don?t know. But he knew, the commander, the American commander knew about it.

AMY GOODMAN: And where did the conversation take place? Was it in the Green Zone?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Which one?

AMY GOODMAN: The one where Calipari talked to the Italian general.

GIULIANA SGRENA: I don?t know. I don?t know. I don?t follow the general, because they are the places in the Green Zone I don?t know where, I can?t know where are the general. You know is a secret place. Because it is very dangerous in Baghdad, they don?t say where they meet.

AMY GOODMAN: Giuliana Sgrena, can you explain the road? This wasn?t the regular Baghdad -- the road to the airport that you traveled on? This was a special road?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes. It was a special road for people that are working in embassies, or they are Americans, or they are contractors. Special people that go to the airport.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The report concludes, and seems a reasonable conclusion, that the Italians should have coordinated this mission with the coalition forces and none of this would have happened in the first place. I tend to agree.

It's a shame that "Intelligence" rarely seems to actually be intelligent, no matter where it originates.

Exactly. The US has the vast majority of the troops there. It seams reasonable that one would coordinate with them, especially since the travel route would involve the most dangerous road in the city.

The road wasn't the airport road we hear about in the news. The road the Italians used to Baghdad Airport was a private road from the Green Zone to the airport.

The Americans were fully aware that the Italians had Sgrena and were headed to the airport. And the vehicle was fired upon from behind.

Giuliana Sgrena Blasts U.S. Cover Up, Calls for U.S. and Italy to Leave Iraq

AMY GOODMAN: Giuliana, the US military says your car was going very fast.

GIULIANA SGRENA: That?s not true, because we were slow, and we were slowing down, because we have to turn. And before there was some water, so it?s not true that the car was going fast.

AMY GOODMAN: They say the soldiers used hand and arm signals, flashed white lights and fired warning shots to get the driver to stop.

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, they didn?t. No, no. No light, no air fire, nothing at all. They were beside the road. They were not on the street. They were away ten meters, and they didn?t give us any sign that they were there, so we didn?t saw them before they started to shoot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did they shoot from the front or from the back?

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, on the back, not on the front. They shot on the back, because Calipari was on the back on the right and he was shot dead immediately, and I was injured on my shoulder, but I was shot by the back. So I am a proof that they were shooting on the back and not in front of the car. We can see by my injured where I was shot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the Italians do this report with the US military?

GIULIANA SGRENA: There were two Italians in the commission, but they don?t accept the conclusion of the commission, so now there is some discussion between the Italian authorities and the American ambassador here in Rome. But the two members of the commission, they don?t accept the conclusion of the commission, so there is a problem.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the Italians -- were they able to inspect the car?

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, we are expecting for the car tonight in Rome. We are supposed, the car will be in Rome tonight, and so the judges that they are doing the normal inquiry they can, they could see the car. I hope to see the car also, but we don?t know in which condition we will receive the car. And the Italian judges, they don?t know also the names of the soldiers that were involved in the shooting.

AMY GOODMAN: The other person in the car.

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the two of you testify?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes, he did the same testifying as mine, but the American, the commission didn?t take in account our testifying. It seems to be like that, because they didn?t mention about our testifying.

AMY GOODMAN: After they shot you and killed Calipari, what happened to the other man?

GIULIANA SGRENA: The other man left the car and was shouting that we were Italian and of the embassy, and he was speaking on the telephone with the Italian government. And we have, my husband, for example, he was there listening the call. And at a certain moment the soldiers, they imposed to these agents because these are agents of the Italian intelligence, and they imposed him to cut the call with the weapons.

AMY GOODMAN: Say that again. What did they do?

GIULIANA SGRENA: They stopped him to -- he was talking by telephone with the Italian member of the government. It was Berlusconi there and the -- it was his advisor Letta, there was the chief of the intelligence and also my husband and the director of my newspaper, because they were there waiting for our news of the liberation. And they was talking about the shooting and at a certain moment the soldier, the American soldier stopped him and with the weapon they imposed him to cut the communication.

AMY GOODMAN: And then what happened?

GIULIANA SGRENA: And then what happened I don?t know, because I was injured, so they brought me to the hospital, and I don?t know what happened to the other man, to the other agent.

AMY GOODMAN: Did you get permission, did Calipari get permission to drive on the road to the airport?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Of course, I was there when they called. They called the Italian, because there is an official that is linked to the Americans. And this Italian general spoke to the Captain Green, that is the American one, telling him that we were on this road and that they were aware that we were on that road. And this happened at least 20-25 minutes before the shooting.

AMY GOODMAN: This road?

GIULIANA SGRENA: They knew that we were on this road.

AMY GOODMAN: How do you know that they knew?

GIULIANA SGRENA: I know because I was there when the agent called the Italian one, the general that is in charge for the communication with the Americans, and this general did a testifying, telling that he was there with the Captain Green, and Captain Green was immediately informed about our traveling to the airport. And the Captain Green didn?t say no, so I think that he?s right. And he?s a general. I don?t think that this general made a wrong, false testifying.

AMY GOODMAN: So you?re saying Calipari spoke to -- this was an Italian or US general?

GIULIANA SGRENA: The Italians, they can?t speak to the Americans directly. There is a man, a special man, a general that is in charge for the communication with the American commanders. It?s impossible for an agent, an Italian agent, to speak with the Americans directly. I knew the rules because I was there many times. And I know that every time always in Iraq there is an Italian that is in charge for the communication with the Americans. And in this time, in this moment, was a general that was there speaking with the Commander Green that was the correspondent, American one. So I knew about that. And in all the newspaper, Italian newspaper, was published that. So there is no problem of communication. Commander Green knew about our presence on that road. If he didn?t inform the mobile patrol, we don?t know. But he knew, the commander, the American commander knew about it.

AMY GOODMAN: And where did the conversation take place? Was it in the Green Zone?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Which one?

AMY GOODMAN: The one where Calipari talked to the Italian general.

GIULIANA SGRENA: I don?t know. I don?t know. I don?t follow the general, because they are the places in the Green Zone I don?t know where, I can?t know where are the general. You know is a secret place. Because it is very dangerous in Baghdad, they don?t say where they meet.

AMY GOODMAN: Giuliana Sgrena, can you explain the road? This wasn?t the regular Baghdad -- the road to the airport that you traveled on? This was a special road?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes. It was a special road for people that are working in embassies, or they are Americans, or they are contractors. Special people that go to the airport.

Yeah, Sgrena couldn't have been lying through her fvcking teeth, could she, BBond?

What does the report say in the findings?

"(U) Not coordinating with U.S. personnel was a conscious decision on the part of the Italians as they considered the hostage recovery an Intelligence mission and a national issue. (Annex 100C).

(U) Based upon previous successful coordination efforts by 3ID and 2/10 MTN working with organizations from various agencies outside their chain of command, it is clear that, while the hostage recovery operation may have otherwise been a success, prior coordination might have prevented this tragedy. Iraq is still a hostile environment, i.e, a combat zone, and the more coordination that can be done to increase situational awareness of those operating within the battlespace, the better it is for all involved. (Annex 65C). "

Well damn. No wonder the Italians can't come to an agrement with the US on the findings. If they did they'd have to admit it was actually THEIR fault for lack of coordination.

If the Italians have evidence that they actually coordinated this intel with the US, I hope they show some proof. Sgrena's claims are not proof.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The report concludes, and seems a reasonable conclusion, that the Italians should have coordinated this mission with the coalition forces and none of this would have happened in the first place. I tend to agree.

It's a shame that "Intelligence" rarely seems to actually be intelligent, no matter where it originates.

Exactly. The US has the vast majority of the troops there. It seams reasonable that one would coordinate with them, especially since the travel route would involve the most dangerous road in the city.

The road wasn't the airport road we hear about in the news. The road the Italians used to Baghdad Airport was a private road from the Green Zone to the airport.

The Americans were fully aware that the Italians had Sgrena and were headed to the airport. And the vehicle was fired upon from behind.

Giuliana Sgrena Blasts U.S. Cover Up, Calls for U.S. and Italy to Leave Iraq

AMY GOODMAN: Giuliana, the US military says your car was going very fast.

GIULIANA SGRENA: That?s not true, because we were slow, and we were slowing down, because we have to turn. And before there was some water, so it?s not true that the car was going fast.

AMY GOODMAN: They say the soldiers used hand and arm signals, flashed white lights and fired warning shots to get the driver to stop.

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, they didn?t. No, no. No light, no air fire, nothing at all. They were beside the road. They were not on the street. They were away ten meters, and they didn?t give us any sign that they were there, so we didn?t saw them before they started to shoot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did they shoot from the front or from the back?

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, on the back, not on the front. They shot on the back, because Calipari was on the back on the right and he was shot dead immediately, and I was injured on my shoulder, but I was shot by the back. So I am a proof that they were shooting on the back and not in front of the car. We can see by my injured where I was shot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the Italians do this report with the US military?

GIULIANA SGRENA: There were two Italians in the commission, but they don?t accept the conclusion of the commission, so now there is some discussion between the Italian authorities and the American ambassador here in Rome. But the two members of the commission, they don?t accept the conclusion of the commission, so there is a problem.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the Italians -- were they able to inspect the car?

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, we are expecting for the car tonight in Rome. We are supposed, the car will be in Rome tonight, and so the judges that they are doing the normal inquiry they can, they could see the car. I hope to see the car also, but we don?t know in which condition we will receive the car. And the Italian judges, they don?t know also the names of the soldiers that were involved in the shooting.

AMY GOODMAN: The other person in the car.

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the two of you testify?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes, he did the same testifying as mine, but the American, the commission didn?t take in account our testifying. It seems to be like that, because they didn?t mention about our testifying.

AMY GOODMAN: After they shot you and killed Calipari, what happened to the other man?

GIULIANA SGRENA: The other man left the car and was shouting that we were Italian and of the embassy, and he was speaking on the telephone with the Italian government. And we have, my husband, for example, he was there listening the call. And at a certain moment the soldiers, they imposed to these agents because these are agents of the Italian intelligence, and they imposed him to cut the call with the weapons.

AMY GOODMAN: Say that again. What did they do?

GIULIANA SGRENA: They stopped him to -- he was talking by telephone with the Italian member of the government. It was Berlusconi there and the -- it was his advisor Letta, there was the chief of the intelligence and also my husband and the director of my newspaper, because they were there waiting for our news of the liberation. And they was talking about the shooting and at a certain moment the soldier, the American soldier stopped him and with the weapon they imposed him to cut the communication.

AMY GOODMAN: And then what happened?

GIULIANA SGRENA: And then what happened I don?t know, because I was injured, so they brought me to the hospital, and I don?t know what happened to the other man, to the other agent.

AMY GOODMAN: Did you get permission, did Calipari get permission to drive on the road to the airport?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Of course, I was there when they called. They called the Italian, because there is an official that is linked to the Americans. And this Italian general spoke to the Captain Green, that is the American one, telling him that we were on this road and that they were aware that we were on that road. And this happened at least 20-25 minutes before the shooting.

AMY GOODMAN: This road?

GIULIANA SGRENA: They knew that we were on this road.

AMY GOODMAN: How do you know that they knew?

GIULIANA SGRENA: I know because I was there when the agent called the Italian one, the general that is in charge for the communication with the Americans, and this general did a testifying, telling that he was there with the Captain Green, and Captain Green was immediately informed about our traveling to the airport. And the Captain Green didn?t say no, so I think that he?s right. And he?s a general. I don?t think that this general made a wrong, false testifying.

AMY GOODMAN: So you?re saying Calipari spoke to -- this was an Italian or US general?

GIULIANA SGRENA: The Italians, they can?t speak to the Americans directly. There is a man, a special man, a general that is in charge for the communication with the American commanders. It?s impossible for an agent, an Italian agent, to speak with the Americans directly. I knew the rules because I was there many times. And I know that every time always in Iraq there is an Italian that is in charge for the communication with the Americans. And in this time, in this moment, was a general that was there speaking with the Commander Green that was the correspondent, American one. So I knew about that. And in all the newspaper, Italian newspaper, was published that. So there is no problem of communication. Commander Green knew about our presence on that road. If he didn?t inform the mobile patrol, we don?t know. But he knew, the commander, the American commander knew about it.

AMY GOODMAN: And where did the conversation take place? Was it in the Green Zone?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Which one?

AMY GOODMAN: The one where Calipari talked to the Italian general.

GIULIANA SGRENA: I don?t know. I don?t know. I don?t follow the general, because they are the places in the Green Zone I don?t know where, I can?t know where are the general. You know is a secret place. Because it is very dangerous in Baghdad, they don?t say where they meet.

AMY GOODMAN: Giuliana Sgrena, can you explain the road? This wasn?t the regular Baghdad -- the road to the airport that you traveled on? This was a special road?

GIULIANA SGRENA: Yes. It was a special road for people that are working in embassies, or they are Americans, or they are contractors. Special people that go to the airport.

Your story has so many holes I am not even going to try tonight.

 

[znaps]

I'm inclined to believe the US side of things, since Italians drive like friggin maniacs all the time, and they also couldn't organise an orgy in a whorehouse. The US should however have had some sort of non-lethal way of stopping the car though.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: znaps
I'm inclined to believe the US side of things, since Italians drive like friggin maniacs all the time, and they also couldn't organise an orgy in a whorehouse. The US should however have had some sort of non-lethal way of stopping the car though.

It all depends on the situation. If non-lethal measures put me in greater danger, there is no way in hell I would want to deploy them. If it is possible to do so, then i'd happily do it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: znaps
I'm inclined to believe the US side of things, since Italians drive like friggin maniacs all the time, and they also couldn't organise an orgy in a whorehouse. The US should however have had some sort of non-lethal way of stopping the car though.

It all depends on the situation. If non-lethal measures put me in greater danger, there is no way in hell I would want to deploy them. If it is possible to do so, then i'd happily do it.

Exactly.

Sorry, folks, but stop sticks are not going to do a damn thing to someone determined to blow up a car at your position, and they are rather easily defeated by inflating a car tire with commercially available compounds like Fix-A-Flat. These measures are not meant to interdict non-violent criminals, where all due care should be implemented. These measures are in place to stop people who want to kill and are doing their damndest to try just that. That requires deadly force methods. That's the way it is in a war zone.

The Italians made a mistake and bad things resulted because of multiple errors in their judgement. That's all there is to it.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf


Your story has so many holes I am not even going to try tonight.

That's right. The only person you can believe is Bush. :roll:

LMFAO

Where's all that WMD?

Bwahahaha

You brainwashed dwarf.

 

[jpeyton]

The military oafs who did the shooting deserve a hefty prison sentence and no less.

And the lying SOBs who are keeping a lid on what really happened should go down with them.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The military oafs who did the shooting deserve a hefty prison sentence and no less.

And the lying SOBs who are keeping a lid on what really happened should go down with them.

Those "oafs" apparently did what they were supposed to do. They were following orders in a war zone.

The real "oafs' are the ones who failed to coordinate this mission with the primary occupation force in the coalition, particularly when they had to know they would be traveling down roads where those forces would be patrolling.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The military oafs who did the shooting deserve a hefty prison sentence and no less.

And the lying SOBs who are keeping a lid on what really happened should go down with them.

Those "oafs" apparently did what they were supposed to do. They were following orders in a war zone.

The real "oafs' are the ones who failed to coordinate this mission with the primary occupation force in the coalition, particularly when they had to know they would be traveling down roads where those forces would be patrolling.

That's only if you believe the Bush administration version of events.

And we all know Bush never lies.

LMFAO

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The military oafs who did the shooting deserve a hefty prison sentence and no less.

And the lying SOBs who are keeping a lid on what really happened should go down with them.

Those "oafs" apparently did what they were supposed to do. They were following orders in a war zone.

The real "oafs' are the ones who failed to coordinate this mission with the primary occupation force in the coalition, particularly when they had to know they would be traveling down roads where those forces would be patrolling.

That's only if you believe the Bush administration version of events.

And we all know Bush never lies.

LMFAO

Keep apologizing for the Italians and point that finger of blame directly at the US. Lord knows we wouldn't want to dispel your blind belief that everything coming from the government is lies because you say it is.

Man, what a tool. :roll:

 

[BBond]

What a fool.