Class Dissection Of Live Dog Outrages Parents, Students

[Horus]

That is fvcking cruel and inhuman. That "teacher", and principal should be fired IMMEDIATELY. That's a clear violation of law.

I hope they get slapped with a cruelty to animals lawsuit. I would have kicked his ass backwards and sideways if I had seen that being done.

And Crono, YOU ARE FVCKING SICK. "It's going to die anyways, so let's make this poor animal's last moments painful? That's like saying "Hey, AIDS patients are going to die, let's cut their skull open and poke at their brain!"

Fvcking sick. Sick sick sick. There goes my appitite. And that's saying a lot.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Crono
It was gonna be euthanized anyway, so I have no objections.

Should we do this to people on Death Row after they're through with appeals?

How about people that are comatose, where the family is going to take them off life support?

:roll: people != dogs :roll:

Well isn't the justification that since the subject is sedated, feels no pain, and would otherwise die without serving a purpose, that it's alright to do this?

What's the difference between doing this to a human in that situation or a dog then?

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: shimsham
what a bastard.

how the fvck did he get that far without the school catching on?

What's that supposed to mean? The school knew full well what was going on. That's why they sent flyers explaining what was going to happen to parents beforehand. The principal supported it then and he supports it now. As do I.

agreed. And it was not vivisection - look it up. The dog was sedated. The dog was going to be euthanized anyway, so why not learn something in the process?

Dictionary.com

viv·i·sec·tion Audio pronunciation of "vivisection" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vv-skshn, vv-sk-)
n.

The act or practice of cutting into or otherwise injuring living animals, especially for the purpose of scientific research.

Ok, my bad. I thought vivisection specifically referred to this procedure without sedation.

 

[Schrodinger]

Disections don't even belong in high schools. There is nothing gained from them. It has always been the same crap--cut your frog/pig/cat down the center, pull out the organs one by one and identify them. You don't actually do any research...

Where is the extra learning in that? You can get the same from a textbook.

 

[dornick]

I really don't see this as such a horrible thing. I mean, it's not like they did it to cause the dog pain, but for educational purposes. Plus, it was sedated.

 

[Schrodinger]

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: shimsham
what a bastard.

how the fvck did he get that far without the school catching on?

What's that supposed to mean? The school knew full well what was going on. That's why they sent flyers explaining what was going to happen to parents beforehand. The principal supported it then and he supports it now. As do I.

agreed. And it was not vivisection - look it up. The dog was sedated. The dog was going to be euthanized anyway, so why not learn something in the process?

The last time I checked, vivisection is the live disection of an animal. Sedated != dead. I'm sure it felt absolutely nothing while having its entire intestinal track being torn out.

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
Disections don't even belong in high schools. There is nothing gained from them. It has always been the same crap--cut your frog/pig/cat down the center, pull out the organs one by one and identify them. You don't actually do any research...

Where is the extra learning in that? You can get the same from a textbook.

Personally, I really enjoyed the disections I did. A LOT more fun than reading about the organs in a textbook. And you get to see the actual organs too.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: dornick
I really don't see this as such a horrible thing. I mean, it's not like they did it to cause the dog pain, but for educational purposes. Plus, it was sedated.

So because it was for "education", that makes it ok to make an innocent animal suffer. Good point, moron.

 

[Jzero]

Isn't this fairly routine with frogs? I guess they aren't cute enough to make the outrage cut.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Crono
It was gonna be euthanized anyway, so I have no objections.

Should we do this to people on Death Row after they're through with appeals?

How about people that are comatose, where the family is going to take them off life support?

:roll: people != dogs :roll:

Well isn't the justification that since the subject is sedated, feels no pain, and would otherwise die without serving a purpose, that it's alright to do this?

What's the difference between doing this to a human in that situation or a dog then?

We kill thousands of animals every day, often in far more cruel & painful ways. If you think a dogs life is the equivalent of a human life, then you've got a much bigger fight then this issue.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Isn't this fairly routine with frogs? I guess they aren't cute enough to make the outrage cut.

The frogs are dead.

Try again.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Horus
That is fvcking cruel and inhuman. That "teacher", and principal should be fired IMMEDIATELY. That's a clear violation of law.

I hope they get slapped with a cruelty to animals lawsuit. I would have kicked his ass backwards and sideways if I had seen that being done.

And Crono, YOU ARE FVCKING SICK. "It's going to die anyways, so let's make this poor animal's last moments painful? That's like saying "Hey, AIDS patients are going to die, let's cut their skull open and poke at their brain!"

Fvcking sick. Sick sick sick. There goes my appitite. And that's saying a lot.

Typical hypocrite. Do you eat meat? Have you seen what they do to cows and pigs? They slice open their necks open with a large thick knife.
Would you guys have the same reaction if the instructor was dissecting a cow? I doubt it.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: dornick
I really don't see this as such a horrible thing. I mean, it's not like they did it to cause the dog pain, but for educational purposes. Plus, it was sedated.

So because it was for "education", that makes it ok to make an innocent animal suffer. Good point, moron.

it was sedated, it didn't suffer. That said, they obviously should never have done it.

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: dornick
I really don't see this as such a horrible thing. I mean, it's not like they did it to cause the dog pain, but for educational purposes. Plus, it was sedated.

So because it was for "education", that makes it ok to make an innocent animal suffer. Good point, moron.

Well, I hardly think the dog was suffering much, but yeah pretty much. Now tell me why that's bad.

 

[nakedfrog]

So... when they knew full well exactly what was going to happen, the students and their parents decided to wait until AFTER the fact to bitch about it?
Idiots.

 

[akubi]

Originally posted by: ScoobMaster
Story link

A biology class lesson in Gunnison, Utah involving the dissection of a live dog has outraged some parents and students, according to a report.

"I thought that it would be just really a good experience if they could see the digestive system in the living animal," Biology teacher Doug Bierregaard said.

:Q

don't they have laws against inhuman treatment of animals?!?

guy belongs in a mental institution

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: dornick
I really don't see this as such a horrible thing. I mean, it's not like they did it to cause the dog pain, but for educational purposes. Plus, it was sedated.

So because it was for "education", that makes it ok to make an innocent animal suffer. Good point, moron.

Well, I hardly think the dog was suffering much, but yeah pretty much. Now tell me why that's bad.

Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we SHOULD do something.

We COULD do this to humans that are about to die, and that would feel no pain.

But should we?

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: shimsham
what a bastard.

how the fvck did he get that far without the school catching on?

What's that supposed to mean? The school knew full well what was going on. That's why they sent flyers explaining what was going to happen to parents beforehand. The principal supported it then and he supports it now. As do I.

agreed. And it was not vivisection - look it up. The dog was sedated. The dog was going to be euthanized anyway, so why not learn something in the process?

The last time I checked, vivisection is the live disection of an animal. Sedated != dead. I'm sure it felt absolutely nothing while having its entire intestinal track being torn out.

So you're saying that people that are sedated for surgery are fully aware of what is happening to them and the pain resulting?

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: dornick
I really don't see this as such a horrible thing. I mean, it's not like they did it to cause the dog pain, but for educational purposes. Plus, it was sedated.

So because it was for "education", that makes it ok to make an innocent animal suffer. Good point, moron.

it was sedated, it didn't suffer. That said, they obviously should never have done it.

And who sedated it? The teacher? How could they be sure it wouldn't feel anything?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: tec699
Typical hypocrite. Do you eat meat? Have you seen what they do to cows and pigs? They slice open their necks open with a large thick knife.
Would you guys have the same reaction if the instructor was dissecting a cow? I doubt it.

That's only for kosher meat. I believe standard practice for killing cows involves blunt trauma to the head, like a pneumatic fist or somesuch.

 

[maziwanka]

its strange. i'm not sure where i stand with this.

one the one hand, if the dog felt anything (i.e. he was not properly sedated), then i am in total shock and want swift punishment against the teacher and the principal (who allowed this to take place at school).

on the other hand, if the dog was completely anaesthetized (and was scheduled to be euthanized, as the article states), then I'm less inclined to be outraged by this (in any case, this should not have taken place).

HOWEVER, i think it is far more likely that the former scenario took place over the latter and since i believe this shouldnt have taken place either way, i'm very angry with the teacher and the principal. I hope the parents take appropriate action.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: tec699

Typical hypocrite. Do you eat meat? Have you seen what they do to cows and pigs? They slice open their necks open with a large thick knife.
Would you guys have the same reaction if the instructor was dissecting a cow? I doubt it.

I don't know where you come from, but I believe cows and pigs in the US are ordinarily killed with air guns to the head. The only time I've heard of using knives to the throat was for production of kosher beef (obviously there is no kosher pork!).

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: exilera
And who sedated it? The teacher? How could they be sure it wouldn't feel anything?

It would probably sure as hell have not just laid there while they cut it open if it wasn't sedated.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Jzero
Isn't this fairly routine with frogs? I guess they aren't cute enough to make the outrage cut.

The frogs are dead.

Try again.

LIVE frogs. The procedure is called pithing. You anesthetize a live frog and then sever it's spinal cord. "Try again." :roll:

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Jzero
Isn't this fairly routine with frogs? I guess they aren't cute enough to make the outrage cut.

The frogs are dead.

Try again.

LIVE frogs. The procedure is called pithing. You anesthetize a live frog and then sever it's spinal cord.

I never did this in HS. Sorry for not being familiar with it.