Clash over doctors asking patients about firearms

[Rezag3000]

I wonder how a Doctor would act if you asked him about his personal finances and health. After all, if he's not well or in severe debt that could impact his ability to perform his job properly and care for your child.

I don't see anything wrong with that

 

[Fear No Evil]

I don't see anything wrong with that

It would probably make sense for them to file financial and health disclosure forms. Perhaps quarterly? We can't put a price on the safety of the patients and their health.

 

[alkemyst]

I wonder how a Doctor would act if you asked him about his personal finances and health. After all, if he's not well or in severe debt that could impact his ability to perform his job properly and care for your child.

wow, like magic they'd insist you leave at once...when you refused they'd have you escorted more than likely in handcuffs and later having to post bond.

profit?

 

[shortylickens]

First off: I am pro gun.

2nd: This has nothing to do with ANY amendment rights.
Statistically speaking, people who keep a gun in the house are slightly more likely to suffer a gunshot wound (mostly cuz the average person doesnt bother to take a training course when they buy a gun).

Just like smokers and people who skydive engage in unnecessary risks, gun owners could be a problem for medical professionals and insurance providers. Its not unreasonable to ask someone about personal habits.

Of course, statistically speaking blacks are more likely to have heart attacks, and I bet they are a higher risk for gun violence too. Single males pay higher car insurance than married males or any females. So its bullshit you can discriminate on one thing and not another.
But this is a whole separate issue.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

What the hell is wrong with you people? He's not trying to tell people how to fix a roof, the example in the article is him saying something to the effect of 'be sure to keep guns away from your kids'.

No, that is not what the example says. It goes more like:

Do you have any guns in your home?
Are they unloaded and locked in a safe?
etc.

That is a very different type of question.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Hell, we have ~35,000 automobile related deaths a year.

Car use is central to American society. The improper storage and handling of firearms is not.

And we do have clinics on the proper use of child seats. Why is a clinic on the proper handling and storage of firearms such a horrible thing?
Conservative idiot gun nuts just don't want to be reminded that their stupid handling is putting their kids at risk. The adults are spoiled children and want to be able to do whatever they feel like with an expectation of no consequences. "Locking up guns is haaaard. I don't wanna do it! Why can't I just leave them out so they're right there when I want to play with them?" Sorry, but reality does have a stupidity tax. It's a shame when children pay their parents'.

I happen to have over 100 firearms and a considerable quantity of gunpowder in my home. It's all safe from kids, though.

 

[nobodyknows]

Maybe they want to ask you about how you keep your guns because they consider a poorly kept gun to be a health risk. A doctor is there to look after the health of their patients. If you don't like the manner in which a doctor is looking after your health, find a new one.

As the article mentions, any law that prohibits doctors from discussing firearms with their patients will be slapped down by the courts ASAP.

I'm paying the Doctor for his medical expertise, not his opinion on the safety of firearms. If he wants to know if I have guns, he can make an appointment with ME!!!! 😛

 

[Fear No Evil]

Car use is central to American society. The improper storage and handling of firearms is not.

And we do have clinics on the proper use of child seats. Why is a clinic on the proper handling and storage of firearms such a horrible thing?
Conservative idiot gun nuts just don't want to be reminded that their stupid handling is putting their kids at risk. The adults are spoiled children and want to be able to do whatever they feel like with an expectation of no consequences. "Locking up guns is haaaard. I don't wanna do it! Why can't I just leave them out so they're right there when I want to play with them?" Sorry, but reality does have a stupidity tax. It's a shame when children pay their parents'.

I happen to have over 100 firearms and a considerable quantity of gunpowder in my home. It's all safe from kids, though.

I'm glad you are assuming that everyone who owns a gun is improperly storing and handling it. Since you admit you have over 100 firearms I can't even imagine the risk you are putting yourself, your family, and others at risk. You are a serious danger to society and should have your guns taken away from you. You should probably be thrown in jail. 🙄

Do you honestly think that if a person is stupid enough to leave a firearm accessible to children that a Doctor asking about it is going to change anything? If you are so concerned about the welfare of children why would you support a Doctor refusing care to a child whose parents refuse to answer if they own a gun?

Since many people who would own a gun for self defense would be in areas of limited income, I can only assume you are a bigot and racist who doesn't want poor people to have the right to defend themselves. I'm not sure why you hate minorities, but perhaps you could see a Doctor about that? Hopefully he doesn't ask you how many guns you own.

There should probably be a tax on bigoted racist assholes like you. We'd solve the debt problem in no time.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I'm glad you are assuming that everyone who owns a gun is improperly storing and handling it.

No, I'm concluding that those who have something to fear about being asked whether they are properly storing and handling them are likely to not be.

Try to keep up.

Do you honestly think that if a person is stupid enough to leave a firearm accessible to children that a Doctor asking about it is going to change anything?

You idiots need to get your argument straight.
It ain't my job to put your argument together for you, so think before you write.

If you are so concerned about the welfare of children why would you support a Doctor refusing care to a child whose parents refuse to answer if they own a gun?

The responsibility is on the parents to act in a manner consistent with good care for their child. If they cannot, the child should be removed.
The doctor's responsibility is limited to medical care. If he is not caring for the child, he has no responsibility.

Try to keep up.

 

[Fear No Evil]

No, I'm concluding that those who have something to fear about being asked whether they are properly storing and handling them are likely to not be.

Try to keep up.



You idiots need to get your argument straight.
It ain't my job to put your argument together for you, so think before you write.



The responsibility is on the parents to act in a manner consistent with good care for their child. If they cannot, the child should be removed.
The doctor's responsibility is limited to medical care. If he is not caring for the child, he has no responsibility.

Try to keep up.

Sorry my friend. Try to keep up. The doctor in this example said nothing about storing and handling firearms. He simply asked if the patients parents owned firearms. They refused to answer, and he refused to make the child's health a priority by refusing future treatment. Try to keep up.

Are you suggesting that if parents own a gun they should have their children removed? Are you suggesting that if parents refuse to answer the questions of a Doctor regarding their gun ownership they should have their children removed? Perhaps if the parents vote Republican they should have their children removed in your mind? I'm sorry, bigots like you should not be allowed to participate in civilized society.

 

[pcgeek11]

I wouldn't answer if I had a gun or not. Not out of fear, or any of the other BS reasons posted by people trying to justify these stupid questions. I would not answer because it is none of his business. Me owning a gun has nothing to do with routine medical care.

If I were careless and shot myself it still would be none of the doctors business for routine care, Emergency care OK. Who goes to see their doctor when they should be in the emergency room?

 

[dawp]

from the article

The first funeral of a patient he ever attended was that of a 2-year-old who was shot and killed at home by a 5-year-old sibling, St. Petery says. "I'm afraid that some people are going to stop asking" because of the new legislation, which imposes a $500 fine for the first violation, he says. "As a result, I think more children will be injured and killed by improperly stored firearms."

That is the main reason for asking the question in the first place, to stop things like this from happening.

 

[pcgeek11]

That is the main reason for asking the question in the first place, to stop things like this from happening.

Asking the question is still not going to stop stupid parents...

 

[DominionSeraph]

Sorry my friend. Try to keep up. The doctor in this example said nothing about storing and handling firearms. He simply asked if the patients parents owned firearms. They refused to answer, and he refused to make the child's health a priority by refusing future treatment. Try to keep up.

Are you suggesting that if parents own a gun they should have their children removed? Are you suggesting that if parents refuse to answer the questions of a Doctor regarding their gun ownership they should have their children removed? Perhaps if the parents vote Republican they should have their children removed in your mind? I'm sorry, bigots like you should not be allowed to participate in civilized society.

You call that "keeping up"?

Go back and try again. Try modeling a brain that isn't retarded.

Here:

Goddamn, can't I get anyone even close to my level? What's up with all these grade-school minds?

 

[alkemyst]

So its bullshit you can discriminate on one thing and not another.
But this is a whole separate issue.

so to you discriminating entirely on race is ok?

 

[a777pilot]

This is a strange thread. I discuss my fire arms with my doctor all the time. The difference is, this is Texas and we are just comparing our various weapons and their features. Hell, here in Texas we are all armed.....and we like that way.

 

[alkemyst]

This is a strange thread. I discuss my fire arms with my doctor all the time. The difference is, this is Texas and we are just comparing our various weapons and their features. Hell, here in Texas we are all armed.....and we like that way.

First it's rather odd guns came up with a doctor to begin with, however; Texas pediatricians are also involved in this....

 

[SirStev0]

There are two reasons we ask about guns in the house:

Suicide Risk (people who are depressed who own guns are more likely to successfully completely suicide than depressed people who don't own guns. statistically speaking)

and

Child Safety and Well-being. From about ages 2 through adulthood, the leading cause of death is Accidents.


I bet that same questionnaire had Q's about seatbelts in cars, helmets on bikes, drugs out of reach, and smoking in the house.

Doc probably refused to take them on as patients because they refused to be honest about simple questions.



You learn pretty early on as a Doctor that people are fucking stupid. Really fucking stupid.

You'd be amazed at the things people just don't seem to know. We have to ask some questions like this.

 

[alkemyst]

There are two reasons we ask about guns in the house:

Suicide Risk (people who are depressed who own guns are more likely to successfully completely suicide than depressed people who don't own guns. statistically speaking)

and

Child Safety and Well-being. From about ages 2 through adulthood, the leading cause of death is Accidents.


I bet that same questionnaire had Q's about seatbelts in cars, helmets on bikes, drugs out of reach, and smoking in the house.

Doc probably refused to take them on as patients because they refused to be honest about simple questions.



You learn pretty early on as a Doctor that people are fucking stupid. Really fucking stupid.

You'd be amazed at the things people just don't seem to know. We have to ask some questions like this.

awesome denying treatment because the population isn't as smart as a doctor!

Damn boy, that's fucking great!

 

[a777pilot]

First it's rather odd guns came up with a doctor to begin with, however; Texas pediatricians are also involved in this....

First it's rather odd guns came up with a doctor to begin with...

How so? Is it any more odd than say, a conversation about golf, or reading, what about politics or the opera? It's Texas....we talk about hunting, football and politics, among other subjects.

 

[alkemyst]

yeah...every texan seems to have a story that defys the truth.

Whenever I go to the doc, I am figuring a fun-filled day of chat, some brunch and maybe catching the back 9 when done.

 

[pcgeek11]

You learn pretty early on as a Doctor that people are fucking stupid. Really fucking stupid.

You'd be amazed at the things people just don't seem to know. We have to ask some questions like this.

So doctors are not people?

There are lots of stupid people. Yes there are, but not all.
All doctors are people and lots of them are stupid too.

The doctor that refuses a patient that will not answer a question that is none of the doctors business is Very Stupid.

 

[halik]

i would have to ask my doctor what business that is of his and what that has to do with my kids illness and refuse to answer.

They should not be asking. it has nothing to do with why we are there (well unless the kid was there for a gun shot heh)

"With all due respect, doctor, I don't see how that's any of your business."
It's kind of silly to make a law against it, but at the same time I strongly believe topics of that sort fall outside of their mandate.

 

[halik]

Car use is central to American society. The improper storage and handling of firearms is not.

And we do have clinics on the proper use of child seats. Why is a clinic on the proper handling and storage of firearms such a horrible thing?
Conservative idiot gun nuts just don't want to be reminded that their stupid handling is putting their kids at risk. The adults are spoiled children and want to be able to do whatever they feel like with an expectation of no consequences. "Locking up guns is haaaard. I don't wanna do it! Why can't I just leave them out so they're right there when I want to play with them?" Sorry, but reality does have a stupidity tax. It's a shame when children pay their parents'.

I happen to have over 100 firearms and a considerable quantity of gunpowder in my home. It's all safe from kids, though.

I would beg to differ, since one of the two is a constitutionally-protected liberty...

 

[PrinceofWands]

There are two reasons we ask about guns in the house:

Suicide Risk (people who are depressed who own guns are more likely to successfully completely suicide than depressed people who don't own guns. statistically speaking)

Only if you cherry pick data. If you look globally your statement goes right out the window. Even keeping it purely domestic there are a LOT of questions about the methodology of such studies. Further, the entire point is moot since the law includes exemptions for suicide risks.

and

Child Safety and Well-being. From about ages 2 through adulthood, the leading cause of death is Accidents.

But NOT firearm accidents. Firearm accidents are so rare as to be a statistical outlier, wholly irrelevant from a policy perspective. Moreover doctors exist to treat medical conditions, not death. Death is natural and unavoidable. Safety doesn't become a doctors concern until an injury occurs. The only preventatives a physician should be involved with are disease, not accidents.

I bet that same questionnaire had Q's about seatbelts in cars, helmets on bikes, drugs out of reach, and smoking in the house.

All of which are wholly outside the scope of a doctors mandate. I would tell him/her to go fuck themselves to every one of those questions.

Doc probably refused to take them on as patients because they refused to be honest about simple questions.

The doc refused to take them because he's an ignorant, partisan fuck who doesn't know his place. He has NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to know the answers to those questions, and should lose his license for trying to make it his business. If he wants to be a risk manager, change professions. If he wants to make rules, become a politician. If he wants to talk about firearm safety, become a range master. Otherwise shut your mouth and get the fuck back in the treatment room.

You learn pretty early on as a Doctor that people are fucking stupid. Really fucking stupid.

That includes a lot of doctors.

You'd be amazed at the things people just don't seem to know. We have to ask some questions like this.

Not your problem, nor any other physician. You don't HAVE to ask ANYTHING that doesn't directly relate to the treatment of existing illness/injury. Your job to heal illness and injury. That's it. Nothing else. Period.