Clarkson suspended from Top Gear, new episode postponed

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Kaido

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F*** the BBC, time for Clarkson to produce his own show and give them the finger.

That's the sad thing about entertainment, the nutty ones are always the most interesting. I mean, look at Kanye - he's hilarious to watch. Getting drunk at big public events, making a fool of himself - but it makes his fame go up because it gets everyone talking about him. Would Michael Jackson or Freddie Mercury have been as cool as they were if they weren't weird IRL? Clarkson is a ham & is show is fun, especially with his sidekicks. But the producers have the money, the equipment, and the status quo, which makes for a convenient entry into doing what he does.
 

MongGrel

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mikeymikec

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I find the idea amusing that Top Gear really couldn't be Top Gear without Jeremy Clarkson. Just sack him and move on.
 
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You people really think it would be the same show just because of them? It would be similar but I bet it would be worse too, unless they somehow get Wilman and most of the production team to go with them (which maybe would happen, in which case great), and somehow end up with a similar budget. Doubt all of that happens, but who knows, maybe they'd get an even bigger budget.

Honestly at this point the bitching about the show being limited by the BBC is more of a nuisance than any actual limiting by the BBC that I can tell. By far the actual problem with the show has been with either the presenters (Hammond has perked up the last couple of season I feel, sadly Jeremy seems to be getting younger mentally the older he gets, or maybe he's just stuck at acting like a 12 year old?) or the painfully obvious acting/scripting, and that is not the BBC but rather the show's creativity or lack thereof.

I'm fairly meh. I enjoy the show but it's often not that great and I actually think a lot of the things I enjoy about the show (the cars mixed with the production values) are often made worse by the presenters (there's a lot of their reviews that I'd enjoy more just watching the Stig drive the hell out of the car for pretty much the whole segment, maybe with some voiceover). If it's not them making the exact same argument they've made 100 times before, it's them spouting off stupid hyperbole. I could skip the news segment easily, and definitely the SIARPC. Really the only reason I watch it anymore are the specials and occasionally they'll have something I really enjoy while the rest is just kinda background noise/time wasting. Personally I would much rather they cut the time filler junk and extend the actual segments since there's a lot of them that would surely have content worthy of being longer than the like 10-20 minutes segments they get. I definitely like that they've made most specials 2 parters now.

I wouldn't like the show to end, although I wouldn't be that sad if it did. I'm sure if they wanted to they could setup another similar show, and I actually think the BBC could find good presenters to take over. It'd be fairly different but I don't think that means absolutely worse. I'd love to see Chris Harris on there for instance, and I'm sure there's other people that would be fine (wouldn't have to be auto journalists, as May and Hammond are both really more into other things). I'd love to even see guest members or something, where it could be just for an episode or maybe for the series (and/or be recurring), that could participate in some of their competitions, or be the setup. Just thinking of segments like their bus/tax/etc tests where they got a bunch of rally/DTM drivers for instance.

The more interesting thing to me is, say they do decide to sack Jeremy, I assume Hammond and May would quit as presenters, but would Andy Wilman stay or go? If he stays, I think there's a good chance the show could continue and still offer a lot of what drew me to it in the first place. If not, then I'd expect a pretty drastic change (as in it goes straight informative Consumer Reports style, or them not even attempting a similar show, at least for a while).

It was pretty shitty before he was in it.

It was shitty before with him in it too, they even joked about that early on. I think people grossly overestimate how much of the show is actually the 3 presenters. People really don't seem to understand how much of a group effort and how scripted it really is, which is astonishing really with how blatant it is (it's very obvious how much they're just playing roles and acting these days, although it's almost always been pretty obvious especially after the first few seasons when they settled into it).
 

WelshBloke

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It was shitty before with him in it too, they even joked about that early on. I think people grossly overestimate how much of the show is actually the 3 presenters. People really don't seem to understand how much of a group effort and how scripted it really is, which is astonishing really with how blatant it is (it's very obvious how much they're just playing roles and acting these days, although it's almost always been pretty obvious especially after the first few seasons when they settled into it).

I think how scripted it is is irrelevant to how important the presenters are.

You wouldnt say that because a film is scripted then whoever acts in it is unimportant would you?

The presenters on Top Gear are very important because the program is as much about them and the interaction between them as it is about cars. You may not like that but thats a different argument.

In the format that Top Gear is in now the presenting team is very important.
 

Topweasel

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I find the idea amusing that Top Gear really couldn't be Top Gear without Jeremy Clarkson. Just sack him and move on.
I find it amusing that the BBC knows how hard it would be to replace those two because they go out of their way to pretend the one series with even just Clarkson and Hammond without May doesn't exist. They have the perfect three hosts there, each one has their fans and their haters, but they not only overlap but cover just about everyone. Even if Clarkson wasn't the most important part of the show, the show would be a shadow of its former self without him.

Kind of like American Idol and Simon. Not that I was ever a fan of it. But you can just tell by how the commercials are handled. I am sure its still pretty popular (I mean it still seems to have good ratings and its still on years after Simon left). But everything about its promotion seems to be more muted than when he was on it.
 
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To me the BBC would be insane to fire him, given how much revenue the show generates, but supposedly he has been on double-secret probation for a while, so they may feel they have no choice. If they do let him go they can very likely look forward to him taking his vast fan base to a competitor.
 

DownTheSky

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They should try hire Arnold Schwarzenegger instead. Can you imagine? Top Gear with Schwarzenegger?

But I agree, Top Gear w/o Clarkson wouldn't be Top Gear.
 

mikeymikec

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I signed the petition. Over 400K so far.

#BringBackClarkson

Congratulations, you and ~400K other people are defending the actions of an overgrown child who hasn't learnt conflict resolution well enough to avoid physical violence by the age of 54. We need more people who act like spoilt children on TV!

Since I somewhat doubt that JC found the producer in bed with his wife and smoking his favourite cigars, I think we can dispense with any likely/appropriate "provocation" scenarios, since I am pretty sure most people here would completely expect to be fired for punching their boss.http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/clarkson-suspended-for-act-of-kindness-2015031196118
 
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WelshBloke

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It's all part of the "reality" TV formula. Ratings starting to tank? Add some drama.

This is a little bit more than that. There is an element of the UK press and public that would REALLY like to get Clarkson off the air.

Weirdly enough they also dont watch him.

I always find it strange when people are all "That show I dont watch is totally offending me.". Its not like hes that much of a dick on air anyway. Buffoon yes.
 

exar333

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I think how scripted it is is irrelevant to how important the presenters are.

You wouldnt say that because a film is scripted then whoever acts in it is unimportant would you?

The presenters on Top Gear are very important because the program is as much about them and the interaction between them as it is about cars. You may not like that but thats a different argument.

In the format that Top Gear is in now the presenting team is very important.

This x100

Entertainment and comedy are more in tone, timing and delivery vs. the words. For all you could complain about in regards to Clarkson, he is a VERY skilled host, and fun to watch. The interation of the cast, both past and present, adds so much to the show. In some ways, the places and cars are just backdrops to the great entertainment the hosts bring. The show is tailored to be fun for new watchers, but also has a lot of inside jokes and so forth for the long-term watchers.

TG(UK) is one of the handful of shows each week I REALLY look forward to. :)
 

mikeymikec

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This is a little bit more than that. There is an element of the UK press and public that would REALLY like to get Clarkson off the air.

Weirdly enough they also dont watch him.

I always find it strange when people are all "That show I dont watch is totally offending me.". Its not like hes that much of a dick on air anyway. Buffoon yes.

Before this incident I really couldn't have cared less about JC. After it though, it makes me think of god knows how many incidents involving celebrities of various statures, particularly say in football (soccer to the US people), who get caught doing blatantly illegal shit but then out come the apologists to defend them.
 
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WelshBloke

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Before this incident I really couldn't have cared less about JC. After it though, it makes me think of god knows how many incidents involving celebrities of various statures, particularly say in football (soccer to the US people), who get caught doing blatantly illegal shit but then out come the apologists to defend them.


The incident that we know very little about and happened in private and is therefore an issue between him, his employer and possibly the police?
 

smackababy

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Before this incident I really couldn't have cared less about JC. After it though, it makes me think of god knows how many incidents involving celebrities of various statures, particularly say in football (soccer to the US people), who get caught doing blatantly illegal shit but then out come the apologists to defend them.

Yeah! How dare I want my entertainers to, you know, entertain. You think I care if Balotelli says some racist crap on twitter? No. I care that he is stealing the ball and taking penalties in Liverpool!
 

mikeymikec

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Yeah! How dare I want my entertainers to, you know, entertain. You think I care if Balotelli says some racist crap on twitter? No. I care that he is stealing the ball and taking penalties in Liverpool!

I think you've described the pedestaling of celebrities quite nicely. With all these expectations for them to be reasonable people, it's amazing that they turn out to be arseholes who abuse people, as well as inspiring the impressionable to be just like them.

The incident that we know very little about and happened in private and is therefore an issue between him, his employer and possibly the police?

Yep, really private. My guess is the only thing that the BBC considers is left to discuss is whether they're going to fire him and therefore take a chance with regard to the future of the show (or is it his show/idea to take with him, no idea). I would be very surprised if there's any question inside the BBC over what he is supposed to have done.
 
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SSSnail

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Yeah, because Top Gear America, Australia, Japan, etc... have the same level of success without the same hosts.

Earlier on, JC wasn't a success story as he is now, he alone can carry a show based on the fan base he's built.