Clarence Thomas' corrupt political behavior

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Barrack Obama was a controversial candidate for President of the United States. He received no endorsements from conservative entrenched organizations; there were credible accusations of ethical issues in his dealings with Tony Rezko as well as questionable relationships with known terrorists and extremists.

He was widely perceived as being a highly ideological candidate picked because of his race.

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EagleKeeper

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Usual Craigfail. The guys on the 'other side' must be crazy radicals with evil motives. My team of course has honorable intentions and is always right. :D


Craig considers me a RADICAL.

I am so relieved.

He is so pure as the driven snow at heart:hmm:
 

Craig234

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Do you have any idea how many times you've made posts accusing liberals of being crazy radicals?

I have him on ignore, but I think you missed the appropriate response, which I had posted:

To discuss who is radical requires being somewhat informed, hence why people like Eaglekeeper can't discuss it.

It doesn't really matter how many times someone ignorant has used the term.

For such ignorant people, 'radical' is just name-calling like 'poopyhead'. They have no idea what different 'sides' that are not radical are, versus what 'radical' is.

Of course, the word is largely relativist. 'Democracy' is a core value of the US, but would have been 'radical' in 1300 England. Black equality a core value now, radical in 1825 US.

If the radical 4 Justices prevail in shifting the court to the now-radical Federalist Society type values and the country accepts it - they'd be radical now but no longer later.

Paul Krugman wrote a piece about Henry Kissinger's doctoral thesis, of all people, that people in 'stable democracies' tend not to be able to deal well at recognizing radical forces that crop up. They try to respond with 'civil disagreement' that has no effect while the new radical forces keep making changes. He was writing about a society like France hundreds of years ago, Krugman applied it to the Bush administration's radical doctrines.

Most citizens are unaware of the radical nature of the radical 4 on the court - they just assume 'oh, those are the conservatives'. The press buys into this, constantly labeling the 4 on the other side - largely appointed by 'conservative Republicans' - not 'moderates', but 'liberals', not because they're 'liberal' but simply to fit the 'conservative-liberal' split.

What is 'radical' at one point - say, the security policies of the 'Patriot II' Act the Bush justice department wanted which which was not passed - can become 'normal', merely 'the conservative side of the debate'. When Joe McCarthy led a movement that blacklisted many Americans who refused to incriminate their friends for possibly having had left-wing views, that was 'just the conservative side' at most at the time to many Americans; today, it can look radical.

The difference between those was what Edward R. Murrow was attempting to educate the people about - saying 'this is not legitimate American politics, we are throwing a good American out of the US military because his sister subscribed to a left-wing magazine', and he shifted a lot of public opinion eventually. In the meantime, a lot of the public attacked him defending McCarthy, losing him sponsors and harming his own career in the media - though later people were grateful.

Just as McCarthy's approach did not not seem 'radical' at the time to many - to the ignorant - today's radical right 4 justices is similarly not seeming radical to ignorant people.

They just throw the word around.

It's funny, I've called them the radical 4 for years; a couple nights on MSNBC, Howard Dean used the same word for them. I think he's right, of course.

You don't see him using the word for just being in disagreement with him, though unfortunately more and more behavior by the right is radical.

Paul Ryan's budget is radical, destroying Medicare as we know it to move away from the trend to doing what the rest of the world has done with largely eliminating private healthcare insurance, instead reducing their benefits and shifting back to private healthcare insurance after several decades of Medicare and Medicaid. And yes, Medicare and Medicaid themselves at one point would be as 'radical' - but a good radical. Just as the US creating limited and elected government was 'radical' at the time.

What matters is the radical nature of these justices' opinion, their agenda, not how many times an ignorant poster has misused the word.

Republicans wanting some cuts in spending - wrong as they might be - doesn't meant they're radical. Blackmailing the nation's economy by voting not to pay our bills to try to get their demand, that is radical.

Anthony Kennedy is a 'conservative' justice. Robert Bork was a 'radical' justice. Bork disagreed with basic rulings and interpretations of the constitution long held by the court; his America was a very different one.
 
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EagleKeeper

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See for Craig, any one is radical that does not agree with his viewpoint.

Every one of his posts demonstrates such :(
 

fskimospy

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Barrack Obama was a controversial candidate for President of the United States. He received no endorsements from conservative entrenched organizations; there were credible accusations of ethical issues in his dealings with Tony Rezko as well as questionable relationships with known terrorists and extremists.

He was widely perceived as being a highly ideological candidate picked because of his race.

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Ooh! Nice false equivalence!

I imagine you are trying to refer to the ABA as a 'liberal entrenched organization', but of course they have routinely rated even the most conservative candidates as 'well qualified'. Thomas was exceptionally poorly rated by any standard, and in retrospect it looks like the ABA was right on the money.

Oh, but I'm sure it's just due to the continuing librul conspiracy against the poor victimized conservatives.
 
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Ooh! Nice false equivalence! Thanks.

I imagine you are trying to refer to the ABA as a 'liberal entrenched organization', but of course they have routinely rated even the most conservative candidates as 'well qualified'. Thomas was exceptionally poorly rated by any standard, and in retrospect it looks like the ABA was right on the money.

Oh, but I'm sure it's just due to the continuing librul conspiracy against the poor victimized conservatives. Of course.
Have a good 4th of July weekend. Hope you're feeling OK.
 

jhu

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The supreme court is an absolute joke. The fact that almost every single ruling falls along partisan lines shows that both sides of the court are heavily affected by their party affiliation. No independence exists and the nation suffers because of it.

I'm not sure if you know this but a significant majority of Supreme Coury cases end up being 9-0 or 8-1.
See here
 

Craig234

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I'm not sure if you know this but a significant majority of Supreme Coury cases end up being 9-0 or 8-1.
See here

Most do, because many issues are somewhat straightforward issues, and/or ones dealing things like criminal justice that do not relate to ideology.

For example, in the recent Wal-Mart case, the court unanimously agreed on one issue.

But that fact doesn't change the major ideological differences that are constantly resulting in 5-4 decisions, almost always with the same people on each side, Kennedy the swing.
 

JEDIYoda

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It doesn't really matter how many times someone ignorant has used the term.

For such ignorant people, 'radical' is just name-calling like 'poopyhead'. They have no idea what different 'sides' that are not radical are, versus what 'radical' is.

Of course, the word is largely relativist. 'Democracy' is a core value of the US, but would have been 'radical' in 1300 England. Black equality a core value now, radical in 1825 US.

If the radical 4 Justices prevail in shifting the court to the now-radical Federalist Society type values and the country accepts it - they'd be radical now but no longer later.

Paul Krugman wrote a piece about Henry Kissinger's doctoral thesis, of all people, that people in 'stable democracies' tend not to be able to deal well at recognizing radical forces that crop up. They try to respond with 'civil disagreement' that has no effect while the new radical forces keep making changes. He was writing about a society like France hundreds of years ago, Krugman applied it to the Bush administration's radical doctrines.

Most citizens are unaware of the radical nature of the radical 4 on the court - they just assume 'oh, those are the conservatives'. The press buys into this, constantly labeling the 4 on the other side - largely appointed by 'conservative Republicans' - not 'moderates', but 'liberals', not because they're 'liberal' but simply to fit the 'conservative-liberal' split.

What is 'radical' at one point - say, the security policies of the 'Patriot II' Act the Bush justice department wanted which which was not passed - can become 'normal', merely 'the conservative side of the debate'. When Joe McCarthy led a movement that blacklisted many Americans who refused to incriminate their friends for possibly having had left-wing views, that was 'just the conservative side' at most at the time to many Americans; today, it can look radical.

The difference between those was what Edward R. Murrow was attempting to educate the people about - saying 'this is not legitimate American politics, we are throwing a good American out of the US military because his sister subscribed to a left-wing magazine', and he shifted a lot of public opinion eventually. In the meantime, a lot of the public attacked him defending McCarthy, losing him sponsors and harming his own career in the media - though later people were grateful.

Just as McCarthy's approach did not not seem 'radical' at the time to many - to the ignorant - today's radical right 4 justices is similarly not seeming radical to ignorant people.

They just throw the word around.

It's funny, I've called them the radical 4 for years; a couple nights on MSNBC, Howard Dean used the same word for them. I think he's right, of course.

You don't see him using the word for just being in disagreement with him, though unfortunately more and more behavior by the right is radical.

Paul Ryan's budget is radical, destroying Medicare as we know it to move away from the trend to doing what the rest of the world has done with largely eliminating private healthcare insurance, instead reducing their benefits and shifting back to private healthcare insurance after several decades of Medicare and Medicaid. And yes, Medicare and Medicaid themselves at one point would be as 'radical' - but a good radical. Just as the US creating limited and elected government was 'radical' at the time.

What matters is the radical nature of these justices' opinion, their agenda, not how many times an ignorant poster has misused the word.

Republicans wanting some cuts in spending - wrong as they might be - doesn't meant they're radical. Blackmailing the nation's economy by voting not to pay our bills to try to get their demand, that is radical.

Anthony Kennedy is a 'conservative' justice. Robert Bork was a 'radical' justice. Bork disagreed with basic rulings and interpretations of the constitution long held by the court; his America was a very different one.

Clarence Thomas is an American hero!
A true progressive in every sense of the word. A Hero who thinks out of the box.
An American Icon. God`s man for the moment! Say what you will Clarence Thomas is God`s gift to America!!
Personally I think Clarence Thomas was the best appointment ever to the U.S Supreme Court!


By the way Craig234 are you still tasking your meds????
 

kage69

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Clarence Thomas is an American hero!
A true progressive in every sense of the word. A Hero who thinks out of the box.
An American Icon. God`s man for the moment! Say what you will Clarence Thomas is God`s gift to America!!
Personally I think Clarence Thomas was the best appointment ever to the U.S Supreme Court!


By the way Craig234 are you still tasking your meds????


The guy who thinks Clarence Thomas is " a hero" "the best appointment ever" and a gift to America from god is teasing someone else about needed medication? Seriously? I guess this means you've gone full troll.

Either you are making a pitiful attempt at humor, or you're projecting your own insecurity about needing behavior modifying medications.

Your lack of knowledge on SC Justices is painfully obvious. Do yourself a favor and stop posting. I'm actually embarrassed for you, a rarity on these forums.


lol, it's like I just heard someone proclaim the Ford Pinto to be the greatest car design ever, and a monumental achievement for American production. Bizarro world!
 

EXman

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Is His wife a private citizen??

Why can't she do whatever she wants to do? I think he is a big boy and can make his own decisions.
 

Double Trouble

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Is His wife a private citizen??

Why can't she do whatever she wants to do? I think he is a big boy and can make his own decisions.

Yes, and even Breyer has commented on that same angle as well, agreeing.

Of course that doesn't mean certain situations can't create perception of impropriety and doubt about objectivity. IMO judges (SCOTUS or otherwise) should recuse themselves more often and remove perception of bias or corrupting influence. There's nothing illegal per se about Thomas' actions, but it smells. Similarly there are other judges that should recuse themselves from cases, but they usually don't unless it's something extremely obvious.