Clarence Thomas' corrupt political behavior

Craig234

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Clarence Thomas was a controversial nominee to the Supreme Court. He received no ABA votes for 'Well Qualified; there were credible accusations of sex abuse against his staff.

He was widely perceived as being a highly ideological nominee picked because of his race to replace Thurgood Marshall.

With his flaws, he was going to be a close confirmation vote.

Luckily for him, a partisan group recently created decided to lobby for him, and spent $100,000 in attacks against Senators who had said they were not approving him.

IIRC, he was the closest vote ever for an approved nominee with 52 votes.

The political advocacy group who had paid for attack ads to help him get this close vote: "Citizens United".

Later, a case which many consider one of the most important in the history of the US affecting our democracy was in front of the court. It would affect corporate donations becoming unlimited, allowed to smother elections. Thomas' wife was and is a major figure in right-wing politics who would be greatly affected by the ruling.

While the case was in front of the court, his wife formed a new group which for right-wing advocacy which would be affected by the ruling. It raised $550,000.

Thomas himself had participated in political strategy planning with the Koch brothers who would greatly benefit from the Citizens United case.

Between his history with Citizens United playing a role in his campaign to be on the court, and his wife's standing to benefit from the case, Thomas did not recuse himself.

Instead, he cast the deciding vote, 5-4. in favor of Citizens United, allowing unlimited corporate donations, primarily benefiting the right-wing groups he and his wife support.

Less than two months after the ruling, Thomas' wife put out a statement to take advantage of the ruling, saying the group would "accept donations from various sources — including corporations — as allowed under campaign finance rules recently loosened by the Supreme Court."

Her right-wing advocacy efforts have included issues like calling for the repeal of the Affordable Healthcare Act - knowing it's likely to come before the Supreme Court.

http://www.truth-out.org/judicial-insider-trading-justice-clarence-thomas-and-wife-ginni/1307895791

There's more; with the controversy, Thomas' wife several months later resigned from the advocacy group she had founded - belatedly removing that conflict of interest.

Turns out, not so fast. Two days after announcing the resignation, she incorporated a new group with almost the same name - and its IRS forms had the same address.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsx6ot4I1iQ

Thomas also filed false disclosure forms for 20 years hiding his wife's income of $700,000 from the right-wing propaganda group, the Heritage Foundation. This is a crime

This behavior completely violates the standards federal judges other than the Supreme Court are held to. It's a scandal and a corruption of the Supreme Court.

It's not Thomas' first ethical violations.

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cubby1223

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Supreme court justices have a life-time position, with no opportunity of impeachment.

So, what do you want done? Do you want to (A) amend the constitution, or (B) force congress to take the nomination process seriously? (hint: neither Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, or progressives take the nomination process seriously, party loyalty reigns supreme on all fronts)
 
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PeshakJang

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Supreme court justices have a life-time position, with no opportunity of impeachment.

So, what do you want done? Do you want to (A) amend the constitution, or (B) force congress to take the nomination process seriously? (hint: the Dems and Progressives don't take the nomination process seriously either, it's all about supporting your party)

The rest of his liberal friends have said quite openly that they want to send him back to the fields and/or lynch him. It's the progressive thing to do.

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soundforbjt

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Supreme court justices have a life-time position, with no opportunity of impeachment.

So, what do you want done? Do you want to (A) amend the constitution, or (B) force congress to take the nomination process seriously? (hint: neither Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, or progressives take the nomination process seriously, party loyalty reigns supreme on all fronts)

He could resign. And they can be impeached.
 
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Pens1566

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Supreme court justices have a life-time position, with no opportunity of impeachment.

So, what do you want done? Do you want to (A) amend the constitution, or (B) force congress to take the nomination process seriously? (hint: neither Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, or progressives take the nomination process seriously, party loyalty reigns supreme on all fronts)

Incorrect
 

OCGuy

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OP is just mad that he is going to be part of the 5-4 decision that overturns Obamacare.

Don't worry, that racist "wise Latina" balances him out on the Left. She is bat-shit insane.
 

PokerGuy

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booga booga booga Clarence Thomas! boooga booga booga Conservative! booga booga booga!

There, that oughta frighten Craig for the day ;)
 

cubby1223

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I still stand by my position that supreme court justices are selected primarily based on what voting block the majority party wishes to gain support with.

Clarence Thomas? A black man voted in by Republicans
Elena Kagan? A lesbian woman voted in by Democrats
Sonia Sotomayor? A Hispanic woman voted in by Democrats

It's about voting blocks, not diversity, not justice, not honor.



If the parties took the nomination process seriously, these wouldn't be issues. But, they are more concerned with their next campaign than they are about the future of this country. And it's a failure of everyone in government. Both parties.
 

woolfe9999

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I still stand by my position that supreme court justices are selected primarily based on what voting block the majority party wishes to gain support with.

Clarence Thomas? A black man voted in by Republicans
Elena Kagan? A lesbian woman voted in by Democrats
Sonia Sotomayor? A Hispanic woman voted in by Democrats

It's about voting blocks, not diversity, not justice, not honor.



If the parties took the nomination process seriously, these wouldn't be issues. But, they are more concerned with their next campaign than they are about the future of this country. And it's a failure of everyone in government. Both parties.

Probably true, but irrelevant. This article is about allegations of corruption, and they're very serious charges. Playing politics with who you appoint pales in comparison to this.
 

Craig234

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I still stand by my position that supreme court justices are selected primarily based on what voting block the majority party wishes to gain support with.

Clarence Thomas? A black man voted in by Republicans
Elena Kagan? A lesbian woman voted in by Democrats
Sonia Sotomayor? A Hispanic woman voted in by Democrats

It's about voting blocks, not diversity, not justice, not honor.



If the parties took the nomination process seriously, these wouldn't be issues. But, they are more concerned with their next campaign than they are about the future of this country. And it's a failure of everyone in government. Both parties.

Clarence Thomas was a *far* less qualified, and worse, nominee than either of Obama's - but I didn't say it to debate that issue. I said it simply as background around the fact of his nomination being controversial and a close vote, as the situation in which Citizens United spent $100,000 in political ads for him in the nomination campaign - establishing a conflict of his interest in his vote on their case later.

You are guilty of false equivalency.

The right's worst admission of guilt, when they are caught, covered in blood, the gun in their hand, the crime on video on youtube - "OK, you got me. Both parties are guilty."
 

woolfe9999

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I'd like to know how much truth there is to these allegations. If this is true, that Thomas is benefitting financially from his own rulings, that is a very serious situation and a scandal of larger proportions than most of what we see with our elected officials. This kind of behavior on the SCOTUS will undermine our faith in the entire judiciary. I take no pleasure in this at all. I hope this turns out to be a left wing hatchet job on Thomas, but I'm afraid that so far it does look very suspicious.
 

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The right's worst admission of guilt, when they are caught, covered in blood, the gun in their hand, the crime on video on youtube - "OK, you got me. Both parties are guilty."

As opposed to the progressives claiming they are the victim when caught.

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ProfJohn

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I still stand by my position that supreme court justices are selected primarily based on what voting block the majority party wishes to gain support with.

Clarence Thomas? A black man voted in by Republicans
Elena Kagan? A lesbian woman voted in by Democrats
Sonia Sotomayor? A Hispanic woman voted in by Democrats

It's about voting blocks, not diversity, not justice, not honor.



If the parties took the nomination process seriously, these wouldn't be issues. But, they are more concerned with their next campaign than they are about the future of this country. And it's a failure of everyone in government. Both parties.
Pretty much right.

BUT there is a history of trying to nominate someone similar to the person they replaced, sorta.

aka. If the most conservative member of the court stepped down and Obama tried to replace him with the furthest left judge he could find it would cause a problem.
But if Obama replaced him with a slightly left of center/moderate then it would probably get by.

If you look at the history of the court we have been doing this 5-4 thing for 30+ years and I think it will stay that way. It is almost like an unsaid deal. If you don't go crazy, we won't go crazy.
 

Craig234

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Pretty much right.

BUT there is a history of trying to nominate someone similar to the person they replaced, sorta.

aka. If the most conservative member of the court stepped down and Obama tried to replace him with the furthest left judge he could find it would cause a problem.
But if Obama replaced him with a slightly left of center/moderate then it would probably get by.

If you look at the history of the court we have been doing this 5-4 thing for 30+ years and I think it will stay that way. It is almost like an unsaid deal. If you don't go crazy, we won't go crazy.

Basically a completely false comment/history.

It's like replying to a post which says:

Generally, Presidents have appointed family members, either of themselves or the Justices they are replacing.

Normally, in exchange for these appointments they are paid with expensive gifts - but never cash, because that is considered in poor taste.

It's traditional as well for Justices to name their next child after the President who appointed them - or their next grandchild. Even if the name doesn't fit the gender."

The radical 4 right-wing Justices - and Bork, who was not approved, like Meiers - don't match anyone.

The grain of truth that there is some effort to maintain some representation once a black was appointed (e.g., the 'black seat' created with Marchall), once a woman was appointed, doesn't begin to justify the post's errors.

There has been *some* effort at times to smooth approval with not 'changing the balance' - less than stated. The extreme 5-4 we have is from the modern appointments.
 
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woolfe9999

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Craig unfortunately they have all avoided the corruption issue which is the heart of your post and are arguing about the politics of SC appointees and other tangential issues. I suggest not bothering to reply until the real issue here is finally addressed by someone. Replying does nothing but take the thread in a direction away from discussing what matters most here, which is exactly their intention.
 

ProfJohn

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Craig unfortunately they have all avoided the corruption issue which is the heart of your post and are arguing about the politics of SC appointees and other tangential issues. I suggest not bothering to reply until the real issue here is finally addressed by someone. Replying does nothing but take the thread in a direction away from discussing what matters most here, which is exactly their intention.
Well that explains what happened in the Dennis Kucinich thread... :hmm:
 

ProfJohn

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BTW... it is truth-out.org

That should be the end of the thread alone. Why even use them as a source?
These were the people who claimed that Karl Rove had been indicted by the grand jury looking into the Plame affair.
 

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This is just to funny and obvious.

This is nothing but a full court press (no pun intended) to get Justice Thomas to recuse himself from the upcoming case on BoboCare. The person that needs to recuse themselves from that case is Justice Elena Kagan, but she has no honor or integrity, so she won't.
 

woolfe9999

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Well that explains what happened in the Dennis Kucinich thread... :hmm:

Which would make you a hypocrit for complaining about it then doing the same thing here.

The funny thing is, I was thinking of just that when I wrote my post and I wondered if you'd make the connection, and sure enough, you didn't disappoint.
 

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What Craig considers to be a crime, many others that have the proper understanding do not.

Partisanship is great when one stands on the sidelines cheering on.

Where he pulls his information from is also partisan.
Not to say that is is wrong; but it is very possible to be twisting the facts to encourage rabid supporters. What happens on the surface is presented; what happens later can easily be forgotten when is changes the picture.

Case in point.

Had the filings of forms (these are not tax forms) actually been so illegal; the Dems would be climbing all over the issue to satisfy Cragi's bloodletting lust.
Instead, nothing has been done. Because it is a dead, non impeachable issue. Great to make hay out of; but no legality behind it.
 

Craig234

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BTW... it is truth-out.org

That should be the end of the thread alone. Why even use them as a source?
These were the people who claimed that Karl Rove had been indicted by the grand jury looking into the Plame affair.

Stop lying, PJ. This information is available the same from any number of sources - if you can challenge it, do so, if not you are lying implying it's wrong.

You can't impeach a source for one controversy like that - they reported sources told them Rove was indicted. Hardly something to discredit the site.

The reporter for that was Jason Leopold, who is no longer at the site. Sites can be discredited - for repeated records of showing they have an agenda to lie and be careless.

You know, like some posters here. Cough, cough.

Go look up the story, and then you can comment on all the sites showing the facts here are wrong - or admit you were wrong. Laugh.
 

woolfe9999

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BTW... it is truth-out.org

That should be the end of the thread alone. Why even use them as a source?
These were the people who claimed that Karl Rove had been indicted by the grand jury looking into the Plame affair.

The article lays out a number of facts. At least some of those can easily be googled and are independently verifiable. In fact, there is very little in there that we have to take their word on. The piece is rather light on opinion and rather heavy on fact.
 

ProfJohn

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Which would make you a hypocrit for complaining about it then doing the same thing here.

The funny thing is, I was thinking of just that when I wrote my post and I wondered if you'd make the connection, and sure enough, you didn't disappoint.
I address the issue at hand.

The source is a joke. Find me something from a real credible source and then we can talk.

If I look I am sure I would have no problem finding some right wing nutzo web site that makes corruption charges against Obama as well.

Obama's wife worked at a hospital ($300k a year) and Obamcare will give hospitals lots and lots of new money. OMG!!! It's corruption!!! Obama is only trying to fill his wives pockets!!! Quick call a news conference.