Civil war more like Iraq than WW2?

[AyashiKaibutsu]

http://weeklysift.com/2014/08/11/not-a-tea-party-a-confederate-party/

Kind of interesting article with a lot of food for thought although I don't know if one could really draw any real conclusions from it. It has actually made me look at the civil war a bit different so I thought it'd be worth linking although it makes a lot of parallels to between post civil war democrats and tea party members.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://weeklysift.com/2014/08/11/not-a-tea-party-a-confederate-party/

Kind of interesting article with a lot of food for thought although I don't know if one could really draw any real conclusions from it. It has actually made me look at the civil war a bit different so I thought it'd be worth linking although it makes a lot of parallels to between post civil war democrats and tea party members.

I scanned through it and it seems to be a piece looking not to analyze but created to defend a predefined perspective. That doesn't mean everything is untrue, however

How are We the People going to shoot abortion doctors and civil rights activists if we don’t have guns?

destroys any overall sense of a dispassionate and objective analysis. The conclusion is reached and the text is merely a means to pretense. I'm not in favor of such tactics regardless of who's presenting for whatever agenda. "We all know that Democrats are Communists" sort of thing as well.

 

[Thebobo]

Read the whole thing, very enlightening article. I dont know about any "such tactics" as if its a conspiracy. I guess if I were a T-party dude I might not like it? Should I ? Anyway thanks for posting it.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I scanned through it and it seems to be a piece looking not to analyze but created to defend a predefined perspective. That doesn't mean everything is untrue, however



destroys any overall sense of a dispassionate and objective analysis. The conclusion is reached and the text is merely a means to pretense. I'm not in favor of such tactics regardless of who's presenting for whatever agenda. "We all know that Democrats are Communists" sort of thing as well.

In other words, you browsed through it looking for the most objectionable thing, pulled it out of context, and copy pasta'd it here to gawk at.

 

[Thebobo]

It really is worth reading

 

[BoberFett]

It's an opinion piece, stop treating it like fact. It's full of incorrect statements, so even the opinion isn't worth much.

For liberals, the Supreme Court was the end of the line. Any further effort to replace Bush would have been even less legitimate than his victory. Subsequently, Democrats rallied around President Bush after 9/11, and I don’t recall anyone suggesting that military officers refuse his orders on the grounds that he was not a legitimate president.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+not+my+president

 

[Jaskalas]

A thoughtful tale of how to denigrate a movement against the majority.

Tea Party is now Confederates, a nice rallying cry for those who wish to hold power. Truth is there are those of us who fight for State's rights, which in turn is a fight for minority rights. Against the tyranny of the majority and for self determination.

It is not enough that a few men can stand in Washington DC and be ignored. That may be "representation" but it is sure as hell not self determination. Today I stand for those who want more than a minority share. I stand for my State, for your State, for the rights of our people to go their separate paths and choose for themselves the exact set of laws which they find agreeable.

I stand opposed to a distant government telling our people what to do.

You who cling to this government, who derive pleasure from ultimate power and authority, will seek ways to attack our ideals. To denigrate our movement and call us names. Today's name is apparently Confederate. You may have gotten bored with calling us terrorists and are looking for something more symbolically powerful. Yet in today's world, you who would see us bow are the slave holders. The oppressors who the minority will resist.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

It's an opinion piece, stop treating it like fact. It's full of incorrect statements, so even the opinion isn't worth much.



https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+not+my+president

Are you actually trying to compare the obstructionism and conspiracies placed on Obama vs Bush? Because, it's hard to beat the most obstructed by a huge margin president in US History ever.

I posted the link more for the perspective of looking at whether the occupation at the end of the civil war was successful or not, which is actually just kind of glossed over in history generally. It is nice to see the usually suspects getting all frothy I guess though.

 

[Jaskalas]

I posted the link more for the perspective of looking at whether the occupation at the end of the civil war was successful or not, which is actually just kind of glossed over in history generally. It is nice to see the usually suspects getting all frothy I guess though.

Frothing from the parallels they draw, not without due cause.

Hell, it's their very title. Far as they are concerned it's the entire purpose of their writing.

Not a Tea Party, a Confederate Party

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Read the whole thing, very enlightening article. I dont know about any "such tactics" as if its a conspiracy. I guess if I were a T-party dude I might not like it? Should I ? Anyway thanks for posting it.

I'll take a better look when I have time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In other words, you browsed through it looking for the most objectionable thing, pulled it out of context, and copy pasta'd it here to gawk at.

If that's what you wish to believe be my guest. I will say that if my intent was to attack the piece in advance I did a poor job of it. I'll have a closer read when time permits and since I'll no doubt offend someone I'll just form my own opinion regarding the validity of the arguments and keep them to myself. I should not like to offend delicate sensibilities.

 

[BoberFett]

Are you actually trying to compare the obstructionism and conspiracies placed on Obama vs Bush? Because, it's hard to beat the most obstructed by a huge margin president in US History ever.

I posted the link more for the perspective of looking at whether the occupation at the end of the civil war was successful or not, which is actually just kind of glossed over in history generally. It is nice to see the usually suspects getting all frothy I guess though.

Oh yes, I'm so frothy.

It's nice to see the usual suspects in here jerking each other off over scoring political points over the enemy.

 

[Sattern]

That article has some neat pointers so I give you props for that.

At least it isn't some spun up article made by CNN, whenever someone posts a link from them I end up leaving the discussion.

 

[Thebobo]

The mysterious blank period ^_^

Who really won the Civil War? The first hint at how deep the second mystery ran came from the biography Jefferson Davis: American by William J. Cooper. In 1865, not only was Davis not agonizing over how to end the destruction, he wanted to keep it going longer. He disapproved of Lee’s surrender at Appomattox, and when U. S. troops finally captured him, he was on his way to Texas, where an intact army might continue the war.

That sounded crazy until I read about Reconstruction. In my high school history class, Reconstruction was a mysterious blank period between Lincoln’s assassination and Edison’s light bulb. Congress impeached Andrew Johnson for some reason, the transcontinental railroad got built, corruption scandals engulfed the Grant administration, and Custer lost at Little Big Horn. But none of it seemed to have much to do with present-day events.

And oh, those blacks Lincoln emancipated? Except for Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver, they vanished like the Lost Tribes of Israel. They wouldn’t re-enter history until the 1950s, when for some reason they still weren’t free.