Civic Si vs Mazdaspeed3 vs Lancer GTS vs Impreza WRX

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

They won't be updating the platform, just some minor aesthetic/interior type stuff. Nothing too major.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I would be throwing about $3k at it to help in bringing down the monthly payments.

Don't put money down on a lease unless you can't avoid it.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

But AWD would increase the price to more in sticker range of the GTi or WRX (or Rallysport when that comes out), but right now stock it will beat them in just about every performance metric. The Speed3 is in the range of the SRT-4, and replaces it in the "cheap speed" area but it is so much better then the SRT-4.

Don't get me wrong I would look into a Speed3 in the mid $30's if it actually performed like the STI/Evo, but Mazda never will put something like that out in the current Speed3 generation.

edit: besides I like the torque steer 🙂 it gives it character and such a great feeling of sheer raw power..... An AWD system would take some of that fun away

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

But AWD would increase the price to more in sticker range of the GTi or WRX (or Rallysport when that comes out), but right now stock it will beat them in just about every performance metric. The Speed3 is in the range of the SRT-4, and replaces it in the "cheap speed" area but it is so much better then the SRT-4.

Don't get me wrong I would look into a Speed3 in the mid $30's if it actually performed like the STI/Evo, but Mazda never will put something like that out in the current Speed3 generation.

edit: besides I like the torque steer 🙂 it gives it character and such a great feeling of sheer raw power..... An AWD system would take some of that fun away

People keep on forgetting, AWD adds weight. The Mazdaspeed 6 was 3589, the Mazdaspeed 3 is currently 3153.

In a small car, adding AWD will add usually, 5% drive train power loss and ~300lbs.

The DSM Eclipse gained around 231lbs going from GST trim to GSX trim
The Lancer gains 421lbs going from FWD to turboed AWD Evo X trim(Discount 100lbs for turbo hardware and we're back to around 300lbs)

Then, we'd be back at step 1, a 3450lb porker like the Mazdaspeed 6, for a 100lb weight gain, I'd go for a Mazdaspeed 6. It's like the difference between a 135i and 335i, there'd be no point to go for the 135 and since the 6 and 3 cam out in the same time frame, I think Mazda took that into consideration when designing it.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Why do you say I will lose "a lot" of practicality with the Si? I would lose some, but it would be comparable to my Neon currently.

True, but the Si is a coupe while the MS3 is practically a full-blown wagon. You're not going to be hauling anything besides a few groceries in the Si.
And I have to agree with thomsbrain on the gearbox.

Actually the trunk is big. Much bigger than you would think.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

But AWD would increase the price to more in sticker range of the GTi or WRX (or Rallysport when that comes out), but right now stock it will beat them in just about every performance metric. The Speed3 is in the range of the SRT-4, and replaces it in the "cheap speed" area but it is so much better then the SRT-4.

Don't get me wrong I would look into a Speed3 in the mid $30's if it actually performed like the STI/Evo, but Mazda never will put something like that out in the current Speed3 generation.

edit: besides I like the torque steer 🙂 it gives it character and such a great feeling of sheer raw power..... An AWD system would take some of that fun away

People keep on forgetting, AWD adds weight. The Mazdaspeed 6 was 3589, the Mazdaspeed 3 is currently 3153.

In a small car, adding AWD will add usually, 5% drive train power loss and ~300lbs.

The DSM Eclipse gained around 231lbs going from GST trim to GSX trim
The Lancer gains 421lbs going from FWD to turboed AWD Evo X trim(Discount 100lbs for turbo hardware and we're back to around 300lbs)

Then, we'd be back at step 1, a 3450lb porker like the Mazdaspeed 6, for a 100lb weight gain, I'd go for a Mazdaspeed 6. It's like the difference between a 135i and 335i, there'd be no point to go for the 135 and since the 6 and 3 cam out in the same time frame, I think Mazda took that into consideration when designing it.

QFT

I drove the Speed6, it was fun. No where near as enjoyable as the Speed3 though. The Speed6 is more for a driver that wants a nicer ride, but has the guts when they want/need it

The Speed3 is just how much power can we throw at the wheels? And it does it beautifully

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

But AWD would increase the price to more in sticker range of the GTi or WRX (or Rallysport when that comes out), but right now stock it will beat them in just about every performance metric. The Speed3 is in the range of the SRT-4, and replaces it in the "cheap speed" area but it is so much better then the SRT-4.

Don't get me wrong I would look into a Speed3 in the mid $30's if it actually performed like the STI/Evo, but Mazda never will put something like that out in the current Speed3 generation.

edit: besides I like the torque steer 🙂 it gives it character and such a great feeling of sheer raw power..... An AWD system would take some of that fun away

People keep on forgetting, AWD adds weight. The Mazdaspeed 6 was 3589, the Mazdaspeed 3 is currently 3153.

In a small car, adding AWD will add usually, 5% drive train power loss and ~300lbs.

The DSM Eclipse gained around 231lbs going from GST trim to GSX trim
The Lancer gains 421lbs going from FWD to turboed AWD Evo X trim(Discount 100lbs for turbo hardware and we're back to around 300lbs)

Then, we'd be back at step 1, a 3450lb porker like the Mazdaspeed 6, for a 100lb weight gain, I'd go for a Mazdaspeed 6. It's like the difference between a 135i and 335i, there'd be no point to go for the 135 and since the 6 and 3 cam out in the same time frame, I think Mazda took that into consideration when designing it.

Sure it adds weight, but they could easily crank up the power to compensate. Even keeping power the same, I bet the numbers wouldn't be all that different, with AWD they wouldn't need to limit power in 1st and 2nd gear so the numbers could be a wash if the engine were just allowed to do its thing.

I'm just daydreaming really, an AWD MS3 is something I would actually consider buying. While I may be in the minority, I would never consider it in it's current form.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

But AWD would increase the price to more in sticker range of the GTi or WRX (or Rallysport when that comes out), but right now stock it will beat them in just about every performance metric. The Speed3 is in the range of the SRT-4, and replaces it in the "cheap speed" area but it is so much better then the SRT-4.

Don't get me wrong I would look into a Speed3 in the mid $30's if it actually performed like the STI/Evo, but Mazda never will put something like that out in the current Speed3 generation.

edit: besides I like the torque steer 🙂 it gives it character and such a great feeling of sheer raw power..... An AWD system would take some of that fun away

People keep on forgetting, AWD adds weight. The Mazdaspeed 6 was 3589, the Mazdaspeed 3 is currently 3153.

In a small car, adding AWD will add usually, 5% drive train power loss and ~300lbs.

The DSM Eclipse gained around 231lbs going from GST trim to GSX trim
The Lancer gains 421lbs going from FWD to turboed AWD Evo X trim(Discount 100lbs for turbo hardware and we're back to around 300lbs)

Then, we'd be back at step 1, a 3450lb porker like the Mazdaspeed 6, for a 100lb weight gain, I'd go for a Mazdaspeed 6. It's like the difference between a 135i and 335i, there'd be no point to go for the 135 and since the 6 and 3 cam out in the same time frame, I think Mazda took that into consideration when designing it.

Sure it adds weight, but they could easily crank up the power to compensate. Even keeping power the same, I bet the numbers wouldn't be all that different, with AWD they wouldn't need to limit power in 1st and 2nd gear so the numbers could be a wash if the engine were just allowed to do its thing.

I'm just daydreaming really, an AWD MS3 is something I would actually consider buying. While I may be in the minority, I would never consider it in it's current form.

but even with AWD it would lose performance, i.e. slower 0-60, among other things. I find that it takes more skill to drive a MS3 well, where many more people can drive a AWD variant with ease. Some people would rather have a car that can do full power all the time and such, but I would rather have a car that limits me a little in 1st and second because its so ungodly powerful

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

But AWD would increase the price to more in sticker range of the GTi or WRX (or Rallysport when that comes out), but right now stock it will beat them in just about every performance metric. The Speed3 is in the range of the SRT-4, and replaces it in the "cheap speed" area but it is so much better then the SRT-4.

Don't get me wrong I would look into a Speed3 in the mid $30's if it actually performed like the STI/Evo, but Mazda never will put something like that out in the current Speed3 generation.

edit: besides I like the torque steer 🙂 it gives it character and such a great feeling of sheer raw power..... An AWD system would take some of that fun away

People keep on forgetting, AWD adds weight. The Mazdaspeed 6 was 3589, the Mazdaspeed 3 is currently 3153.

In a small car, adding AWD will add usually, 5% drive train power loss and ~300lbs.

The DSM Eclipse gained around 231lbs going from GST trim to GSX trim
The Lancer gains 421lbs going from FWD to turboed AWD Evo X trim(Discount 100lbs for turbo hardware and we're back to around 300lbs)

Then, we'd be back at step 1, a 3450lb porker like the Mazdaspeed 6, for a 100lb weight gain, I'd go for a Mazdaspeed 6. It's like the difference between a 135i and 335i, there'd be no point to go for the 135 and since the 6 and 3 cam out in the same time frame, I think Mazda took that into consideration when designing it.

Sure it adds weight, but they could easily crank up the power to compensate. Even keeping power the same, I bet the numbers wouldn't be all that different, with AWD they wouldn't need to limit power in 1st and 2nd gear so the numbers could be a wash if the engine were just allowed to do its thing.

I'm just daydreaming really, an AWD MS3 is something I would actually consider buying. While I may be in the minority, I would never consider it in it's current form.

but even with AWD it would lose performance, i.e. slower 0-60, among other things. I find that it takes more skill to drive a MS3 well, where many more people can drive a AWD variant with ease. Some people would rather have a car that can do full power all the time and such, but I would rather have a car that limits me a little in 1st and second because its so ungodly powerful

Each car has it's quirks, it's pretty tough to get a good launch with AWD, you either burn the clutch or bog it if you don't do it correctly and even then consistency is a huge problem.

With MS3 the electronics are doing a lot of the work for you, so I think I take exception that it takes more skill to operate, now an SRT-4 takes skills to keep straight, no doubt about that.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The Speed3 will be upgraded with new fabric on the seats, among some other minor things.

I am looking at the 6 hatchback, and plan to go test drive one today along with looking into the GTi again

but you'd think if they overhaul the mazda3's platform, the MS3 will get a new one soon too!

I doubt it, Mazdaspeed has a history of dumping a model and moving on to other projects. See: Protege, Miata, 6

Yeah that's what I was thinking, there are no guarantees that there will be a new MS3.

If they do it however, they should get serious and port over the AWD system from the Speed 6, dump the FWD and make an STI/Evo competitor.

Why? The Speed6 was closer to that range and it wasn't even marketed as an STI/Evo competitor, and thats with $10k more money into it. You can only take the 3 platform so far, and TBH I don't think it would get into the STI/Evo arena without serious overhauling (i.e. new engine).

Why? Because the car would be better in every way. The 6 is a fat toad touring car, but the 3 with AWD would bring more buyers methinks.

Not to mention that you could easily add more power without exacerbating the cars current traction problems.

But AWD would increase the price to more in sticker range of the GTi or WRX (or Rallysport when that comes out), but right now stock it will beat them in just about every performance metric. The Speed3 is in the range of the SRT-4, and replaces it in the "cheap speed" area but it is so much better then the SRT-4.

Don't get me wrong I would look into a Speed3 in the mid $30's if it actually performed like the STI/Evo, but Mazda never will put something like that out in the current Speed3 generation.

edit: besides I like the torque steer 🙂 it gives it character and such a great feeling of sheer raw power..... An AWD system would take some of that fun away

People keep on forgetting, AWD adds weight. The Mazdaspeed 6 was 3589, the Mazdaspeed 3 is currently 3153.

In a small car, adding AWD will add usually, 5% drive train power loss and ~300lbs.

The DSM Eclipse gained around 231lbs going from GST trim to GSX trim
The Lancer gains 421lbs going from FWD to turboed AWD Evo X trim(Discount 100lbs for turbo hardware and we're back to around 300lbs)

Then, we'd be back at step 1, a 3450lb porker like the Mazdaspeed 6, for a 100lb weight gain, I'd go for a Mazdaspeed 6. It's like the difference between a 135i and 335i, there'd be no point to go for the 135 and since the 6 and 3 cam out in the same time frame, I think Mazda took that into consideration when designing it.

Sure it adds weight, but they could easily crank up the power to compensate. Even keeping power the same, I bet the numbers wouldn't be all that different, with AWD they wouldn't need to limit power in 1st and 2nd gear so the numbers could be a wash if the engine were just allowed to do its thing.

I'm just daydreaming really, an AWD MS3 is something I would actually consider buying. While I may be in the minority, I would never consider it in it's current form.

but even with AWD it would lose performance, i.e. slower 0-60, among other things. I find that it takes more skill to drive a MS3 well, where many more people can drive a AWD variant with ease. Some people would rather have a car that can do full power all the time and such, but I would rather have a car that limits me a little in 1st and second because its so ungodly powerful

I would like a car with no limits.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I looked at the GTi's but they were too much per mo when we sat down at the dealer, but I went to the VW site again and it appears as if we were talking about a GTi with just about every single option possible (including navi). I think I will head up there again and see about the GTi again.

PS. I do not like DSG. It is basically an automatic as far as I am concerned. It might be a little faster on the shift, but it feels just like an automatic. I'll pass. I want my standard manual over a DSG from the one DSG I've driven, but I will test the GTi's see if its any different then the Lancer's.

The Lancer does NOT have a DSG, it's a CVT. Infinite (or one, if you want to get specific) gears, not a computer controlled double clutch manual.
CVTs generally suck ass when you pair them with a weak engine, pair them with something a little stronger, like the VQ in my Altima, then you've got an interesting ride 😛

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I looked at the GTi's but they were too much per mo when we sat down at the dealer, but I went to the VW site again and it appears as if we were talking about a GTi with just about every single option possible (including navi). I think I will head up there again and see about the GTi again.

PS. I do not like DSG. It is basically an automatic as far as I am concerned. It might be a little faster on the shift, but it feels just like an automatic. I'll pass. I want my standard manual over a DSG from the one DSG I've driven, but I will test the GTi's see if its any different then the Lancer's.

The Lancer does NOT have a DSG, it's a CVT. Infinite (or one, if you want to get specific) gears, not a computer controlled double clutch manual.
CVTs generally suck ass when you pair them with a weak engine, pair them with something a little stronger, like the VQ in my Altima, then you've got an interesting ride 😛

I knew the Lancer was a CVT, but just figured it was about the same as any DSG out there so I ruled them out.

I will have to give it another chance then

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I looked at the GTi's but they were too much per mo when we sat down at the dealer, but I went to the VW site again and it appears as if we were talking about a GTi with just about every single option possible (including navi). I think I will head up there again and see about the GTi again.

PS. I do not like DSG. It is basically an automatic as far as I am concerned. It might be a little faster on the shift, but it feels just like an automatic. I'll pass. I want my standard manual over a DSG from the one DSG I've driven, but I will test the GTi's see if its any different then the Lancer's.

The Lancer does NOT have a DSG, it's a CVT. Infinite (or one, if you want to get specific) gears, not a computer controlled double clutch manual.
CVTs generally suck ass when you pair them with a weak engine, pair them with something a little stronger, like the VQ in my Altima, then you've got an interesting ride 😛

I knew the Lancer was a CVT, but just figured it was about the same as any DSG out there so I ruled them out.

I will have to give it another chance then

to make things interesting, i believe the Ralliart Lancer does have the same DSG that's found on the Evo X.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I looked at the GTi's but they were too much per mo when we sat down at the dealer, but I went to the VW site again and it appears as if we were talking about a GTi with just about every single option possible (including navi). I think I will head up there again and see about the GTi again.

PS. I do not like DSG. It is basically an automatic as far as I am concerned. It might be a little faster on the shift, but it feels just like an automatic. I'll pass. I want my standard manual over a DSG from the one DSG I've driven, but I will test the GTi's see if its any different then the Lancer's.

The Lancer does NOT have a DSG, it's a CVT. Infinite (or one, if you want to get specific) gears, not a computer controlled double clutch manual.
CVTs generally suck ass when you pair them with a weak engine, pair them with something a little stronger, like the VQ in my Altima, then you've got an interesting ride 😛

I knew the Lancer was a CVT, but just figured it was about the same as any DSG out there so I ruled them out.

I will have to give it another chance then

to make things interesting, i believe the Ralliart Lancer does have the same DSG that's found on the Evo X.

Meaning its actually geared and not a CVT then?

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I looked at the GTi's but they were too much per mo when we sat down at the dealer, but I went to the VW site again and it appears as if we were talking about a GTi with just about every single option possible (including navi). I think I will head up there again and see about the GTi again.

PS. I do not like DSG. It is basically an automatic as far as I am concerned. It might be a little faster on the shift, but it feels just like an automatic. I'll pass. I want my standard manual over a DSG from the one DSG I've driven, but I will test the GTi's see if its any different then the Lancer's.

The Lancer does NOT have a DSG, it's a CVT. Infinite (or one, if you want to get specific) gears, not a computer controlled double clutch manual.
CVTs generally suck ass when you pair them with a weak engine, pair them with something a little stronger, like the VQ in my Altima, then you've got an interesting ride 😛

I knew the Lancer was a CVT, but just figured it was about the same as any DSG out there so I ruled them out.

I will have to give it another chance then

to make things interesting, i believe the Ralliart Lancer does have the same DSG that's found on the Evo X.

Meaning its actually geared and not a CVT then?

Correct. I actually really enjoy driving the GTI mainly because of the DSG. It's nice to click the little paddle shifter and have it shift before the button is done traveling back up.

CVTs are way different. If I had to rank the ones I've driven, it'd be Lancer GTS, Altima 2.5, Camry Hybrid, Altima 3.5. The Lancer and Altima suffer from that rubber band effect; the QR25DE in the Altima roars to get you moving, which sucks with a CVT because it'll hold RPMs at the ideal spot. The Lancer just feels like someone is pushing the car, horrible idea IMO to pair CVT with small engines. The Camry Hybrid really feels like they did a good job with it. I have a 3.5 Altima, I'm going to have to say it's the best of the bunch; except when it gets "stuck" if I lost traction off the line. Four or five times, I've found myself letting go of the accelerator and getting thrown around inside the car because the RPMs stuck at redline and won't come unstuck until a. I put it in neutral b. what I did the first time, shut the car off, c. use tiptronic to force it into "6th gear", which only works sometimes.


EDIT
The Lancer GTS has pretty bad throttle response, coupled with its transmission being slow to respond, it just isn't fun. Also, if I had to choose between the previous gen Lancer and Impreza, it'd probably be a tossup, but the really high trunkline on the new Lancer is irritating.

Stuff to consider: Mitsu and Subaru regularly give the Lancer and Impreza 0% financing, don't ever count on seeing an Si or MS3 with 0%. My roommate bought his GTI with 0%.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I looked at the GTi's but they were too much per mo when we sat down at the dealer, but I went to the VW site again and it appears as if we were talking about a GTi with just about every single option possible (including navi). I think I will head up there again and see about the GTi again.

PS. I do not like DSG. It is basically an automatic as far as I am concerned. It might be a little faster on the shift, but it feels just like an automatic. I'll pass. I want my standard manual over a DSG from the one DSG I've driven, but I will test the GTi's see if its any different then the Lancer's.

The Lancer does NOT have a DSG, it's a CVT. Infinite (or one, if you want to get specific) gears, not a computer controlled double clutch manual.
CVTs generally suck ass when you pair them with a weak engine, pair them with something a little stronger, like the VQ in my Altima, then you've got an interesting ride 😛

I knew the Lancer was a CVT, but just figured it was about the same as any DSG out there so I ruled them out.

I will have to give it another chance then

to make things interesting, i believe the Ralliart Lancer does have the same DSG that's found on the Evo X.

Meaning its actually geared and not a CVT then?

Correct. I actually really enjoy driving the GTI mainly because of the DSG. It's nice to click the little paddle shifter and have it shift before the button is done traveling back up.

CVTs are way different. If I had to rank the ones I've driven, it'd be Lancer GTS, Altima 2.5, Camry Hybrid, Altima 3.5. The Lancer and Altima suffer from that rubber band effect; the QR25DE in the Altima roars to get you moving, which sucks with a CVT because it'll hold RPMs at the ideal spot. The Lancer just feels like someone is pushing the car, horrible idea IMO to pair CVT with small engines. The Camry Hybrid really feels like they did a good job with it. I have a 3.5 Altima, I'm going to have to say it's the best of the bunch; except when it gets "stuck" if I lost traction off the line. Four or five times, I've found myself letting go of the accelerator and getting thrown around inside the car because the RPMs stuck at redline and won't come unstuck until a. I put it in neutral b. what I did the first time, shut the car off, c. use tiptronic to force it into "6th gear", which only works sometimes.


EDIT
The Lancer GTS has pretty bad throttle response, coupled with its transmission being slow to respond, it just isn't fun. Also, if I had to choose between the previous gen Lancer and Impreza, it'd probably be a tossup, but the really high trunkline on the new Lancer is irritating.

Stuff to consider: Mitsu and Subaru regularly give the Lancer and Impreza 0% financing, don't ever count on seeing an Si or MS3 with 0%. My roommate bought his GTI with 0%.

The Si I don't think I have seen it but the MS3 for some reason I am thinking I have. Well either way I need to get up to a VW dealer and talk with them again, test drive the DSG GTi, and also look at a non-$30k GTi.... 🙂

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

So last night I came to realize I am paying WAY to much for my cars. For $430/mo I could get an Audi A4, Infinity G35, and with some extra money down a 3 series....

What am I doing in a Neon????

 

[jjanders]

Isn't the $430 for two cars though?

Driving a Neon...you're in college, sounds about right to me. I'm 6 years removed from college and drive a Protege. My next car will probably be a Civic. Sure I could afford something much nicer but I guess I'm not an "enthusiast" like many here, a Civic suits my NEEDS fine and cars are depreciating assets, I'd rather continuing saving money for a house and travel....but that's me.

 

[ayabe]

Why do you have two cars when you're in college? Are you working? What's the point?

 

[melijak]

German cars lease very well. My 335i is under 500$ a month, 0 $ down, tax included. When I realized that I was paying 100$ less for WRX with higher insurance.... I should have done this years ago.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
So last night I came to realize I am paying WAY to much for my cars. For $430/mo I could get an Audi A4, Infinity G35, and with some extra money down a 3 series....

What am I doing in a Neon????