Civic love, the non-rice way

[Howard]

http://www.theoldone.com/articles/Larryscivic/Larrys_Civic.htm

If you want to visit the first link in the article (badtothebone), this is the fixed link: http://www.theoldone.com/articles/badtothebone/

 

[Viperoni]

Jeez what a writeup! Stopped after a while, after realizing I was only a 1/4 into it

 

[chuckywang]

Just because it doesn't look like anything means that it's non-rice?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Just because it doesn't look like anything means that it's non-rice?

Yes.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Just because it doesn't look like anything means that it's non-rice?

Isn't 'rice' essentially a look?

 

[sswingle]

Good golly that site loads slow.

 

[essasin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Just because it doesn't look like anything means that it's non-rice?

Isn't 'rice' essentially a look?

General idea of rice is if the car looks like it can star in the fast and the furious movie, which means non function flares, wings, lights, stinkers, etc.

 

[OS]

he's very well known in the honda world, I 've seen his work before, but god damn that cylinder head is a freaking work of art;

this

 

[Howard]

27psi go go go

 

[OS]

interesting it made ~290 HP at the crank on the engine dyno, but then ~240 HP at the wheels. 50 HP drivetrain loss.

although 240 WHP is still good, he had a completely reworked 2.0L B series motor. The current honda i4 is K series, and you can get numbers close to that with just a bunch of bolt ons, cams and retune, out of 2.0L also.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: OS
interesting it made ~290 HP at the crank on the engine dyno, but then ~240 HP at the wheels. 50 HP drivetrain loss.

although 240 WHP is still good, he had a completely reworked 2.0L B series motor. The current honda i4 is K series, and you can get numbers close to that with just a bunch of bolt ons, cams and retune, out of 2.0L also.

look at the last slip - he's got 300+ numbers.

 

[MustangSVT]

i appreciate something like this. Great post, Howard. That was very very enjoyable!

 

[state 08]

This guy seems to know cars inside out

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Just because it doesn't look like anything means that it's non-rice?

That car is most definitely NOT rice. That guy has forgotten more about engines than I'll ever know.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: essasin

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Just because it doesn't look like anything means that it's non-rice?

Isn't 'rice' essentially a look?

General idea of rice is if the car looks like it can star in the fast and the furious movie, which means non function flares, wings, lights, stinkers, etc.

Yup.
Generally rice means looks, and not performance,
Think "Pimp my ride".

 

[j00fek]

cliffs plz

 

[ballmode]

how does honda make such durable engines for N/A applications

 

[halik]

Impressive, but that that point you might as well start with a car that has potential. Why dump all that cash into a civic when you end up with 161lb-ft of torque in the end.

A 944 turbo with the same amount of money put in it would run circles around the civic.

 

[thirdeye]

That would be a nice little track car. Those things handle like go-karts with a properly sorted suspension.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: halik
Impressive, but that that point you might as well start with a car that has potential. Why dump all that cash into a civic when you end up with 161lb-ft of torque in the end.

A 944 turbo with the same amount of money put in it would run circles around the civic.

i doubt the cash outlay was actually anything big, he's a big name guy, owns his own shop, does his own work, has connections for everything else. Anything he would have to pay actual money for he almost certainly gets a discount, or even free.

And it's 161 ft-lbs at the wheels, from the engine dyno you see it's 200 ft-lbs at the crank. Still a bit low compared against the current generation K20, but probably higher than any other NA 2.0L motor.

 

[Howard]

I didn't catch that. I didn't know drivetrain loss could get so high.

 

[thomsbrain]

damn, 316HP and 200 lb/ft without forced induction? a great little sleeper, for sure.

 

[AMCRambler]

300hp on a natural aspirated Honda inline 4. That's friggin amazing. Of course it helps to have your own friggin dyno to tune it! Regardless, that is one hell of a sleeper. Looks totally stock except for the rims. He even painted the carbon fiber hood! I like it!

 

[WolverineGator]

Originally posted by: j00fek
cliffs plz

You are lazy bum
Just click on the link and read
Oops posted wrong thread!

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: halik
Impressive, but that that point you might as well start with a car that has potential. Why dump all that cash into a civic when you end up with 161lb-ft of torque in the end.

A 944 turbo with the same amount of money put in it would run circles around the civic.

i doubt the cash outlay was actually anything big, he's a big name guy, owns his own shop, does his own work, has connections for everything else. Anything he would have to pay actual money for he almost certainly gets a discount, or even free.

And it's 161 ft-lbs at the wheels, from the engine dyno you see it's 200 ft-lbs at the crank. Still a bit low compared against the current generation K20, but probably higher than any other NA 2.0L motor.

I believe halik is pointing out that this guy tuning a Civic to the max, while impressive, is basically being done because it's there. His argument seems to be that for similar money and much less work, you could get a higher displacement, forced aspiration car that will perform similarly in a straight line, and handle worlds better