City of Miami postpones November 2025 election to 2026, extends officials' terms

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The idea is to save money and increase voter turnout. More information here:
Personally, I hate the off-year municipal elections, and the off cycle special district elections, but it also sounds like the move by Miami is resting on extremely dubious grounds based on plain reading of the city charter and processes to change things.

They could have also put these changes to a vot with the public as mandated by the city charter.
 

nakedfrog

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DeSantis is against this, FWIW.
In reading it, the argument does seem to have merit, but being term-limited they should also be mindful of how that looks, and maybe it would have been better to vote it in as something that takes effect in the next cycle or something, IDK if that's a possibility.

The following is also a good idea, but if it's based on voter participation, apparently it would be a better ballot item for the even year election...
During the public comment section of the commission meeting Thursday, some residents said they believed the proposed change should be put on a ballot for voters to decide.

“Voter participation goes from an estimated 10% to 15% — to 60% or 65%, and that is huge,” Pardo said.

Their source article: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article309065285.html
 

Greenman

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Personally, I hate the off-year municipal elections, and the off cycle special district elections, but it also sounds like the move by Miami is resting on extremely dubious grounds based on plain reading of the city charter and processes to change things.

They could have also put these changes to a vot with the public as mandated by the city charter.
They should have put it on the ballot, but they appear to think it's valid. I have no doubt it will go to court, and rightfully so.
 

Greenman

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Really just Sgt Schultzing your way through life eh?
I was never much of a Hogan's Hero's fan, though I do recall that Schultz owned a major toy company before he joined the German army. He was both successful and kind, so I can see why you think it's an insult.
 

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Eh small potatoes, they should have pushed till 2028 cause that would increase voter turnout more cause presidential election. Nay, 2032 because that would be the referendum election on Trump's 4th term and surely mandatory voting would be implemented by then, nay wait till the 2036 election after the...
 

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The election fuckering continues and green does another heil hitler. So same shit as yesterday.
 

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I was never much of a Hogan's Hero's fan, though I do recall that Schultz owned a major toy company before he joined the German army. He was both successful and kind, so I can see why you think it's an insult.

lmao
 

Greenman

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Tell me what you think of this:

I think it's an explanation of a short passage from the bible.
Judging people is a necessity if one intends to live amongst others. Problems occur when that judgement becomes contempt or hate for wide swaths of people. That's a problem that will never be resolved because hate is one of the things humans do very well. The problem now is that there is no shame in hate, we're proud of the our hate and announce it to the world. We revel in our hate and encourage others to hate along with us. We even tell lies and half truths to each other to help justify our hate.
In the grand scheme of things people are a pretty shitty group. We'll end up killing our selves long before we learn how to behave.
 

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I think it's an explanation of a short passage from the bible.
Judging people is a necessity if one intends to live amongst others. Problems occur when that judgement becomes contempt or hate for wide swaths of people. That's a problem that will never be resolved because hate is one of the things humans do very well. The problem now is that there is no shame in hate, we're proud of the our hate and announce it to the world. We revel in our hate and encourage others to hate along with us. We even tell lies and half truths to each other to help justify our hate.
In the grand scheme of things people are a pretty shitty group. We'll end up killing our selves long before we learn how to behave.
This is right in like with what I have been trying to tell you. I know people are hateful and that makes them judgmental with all the intent of hating those they judge. That it is an addiction and arises out of having learned in childhood how to hate by being hated.

I a saying your moral values that find hatred repugnant are in a way also a form of hate. You hate what haters do but it comes from the same place.

You are like a liberal. Your sympathies are in the right place, with the victims, in this case of hate, and not the perpetrators of it.

I simply see your moral values while deeply moral in fact, are emotionally tainted by the same issue, that you feel contempt for judgmental hateful people and fail to see they react just like you do, with contempt for the evil that judge to be present in others and their use of that as a way to rationalize their hate.

If judgment is required then we can have good judgement and bad judgement. And we can have judgment that is objective and judgement that is irrational. That means we can have good judgement that is objective and good judgement that is accompanied by irrational bias, we can have bad judgement that is based on sound values and bad judgement that is irrational.

I think your judgement in this thread that the world is full of judgmental haters is sound. But their judgment can be objective and rational for some as well as hateful from many others. I think you tend to overlook that end of things.

One can say what happened in Miami stinks to the high heavens and render that judgment as factual without hatred being the motivation. The presence of haters does not change that. A bias against bias is only as good as that the bias against which you are biased is actually biased. I think you always assume it is because it is so often true.

This puts you at constant opposite ends of willingness to look at the facts rather than how others perceive them. You tend always to react as if all liberal judgment is motivated by hate and you stop your analysis there. That is a given. Look at the facts themselves. There are liberals here that are really good at that in my opinion. Some are pretty nasty, but some not so much. Maybe put some effort into seeing what they see and less in automatically rejecting data presented judgmentally.
 

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This is right in like with what I have been trying to tell you. I know people are hateful and that makes them judgmental with all the intent of hating those they judge. That it is an addiction and arises out of having learned in childhood how to hate by being hated.

I a saying your moral values that find hatred repugnant are in a way also a form of hate. You hate what haters do but it comes from the same place.

You are like a liberal. Your sympathies are in the right place, with the victims, in this case of hate, and not the perpetrators of it.

I simply see your moral values while deeply moral in fact, are emotionally tainted by the same issue, that you feel contempt for judgmental hateful people and fail to see they react just like you do, with contempt for the evil that judge to be present in others and their use of that as a way to rationalize their hate.

If judgment is required then we can have good judgement and bad judgement. And we can have judgment that is objective and judgement that is irrational. That means we can have good judgement that is objective and good judgement that is accompanied by irrational bias, we can have bad judgement that is based on sound values and bad judgement that is irrational.

I think your judgement in this thread that the world is full of judgmental haters is sound. But their judgment can be objective and rational for some as well as hateful from many others. I think you tend to overlook that end of things.

One can say what happened in Miami stinks to the high heavens and render that judgment as factual without hatred being the motivation. The presence of haters does not change that. A bias against bias is only as good as that the bias against which you are biased is actually biased. I think you always assume it is because it is so often true.

This puts you at constant opposite ends of willingness to look at the facts rather than how others perceive them. You tend always to react as if all liberal judgment is motivated by hate and you stop your analysis there. That is a given. Look at the facts themselves. There are liberals here that are really good at that in my opinion. Some are pretty nasty, but some not so much. Maybe put some effort into seeing what they see and less in automatically rejecting data presented judgmentally.
Good synopsis of the situation and accurate.
 

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This is right in like with what I have been trying to tell you. I know people are hateful and that makes them judgmental with all the intent of hating those they judge. That it is an addiction and arises out of having learned in childhood how to hate by being hated.

I a saying your moral values that find hatred repugnant are in a way also a form of hate. You hate what haters do but it comes from the same place.

You are like a liberal. Your sympathies are in the right place, with the victims, in this case of hate, and not the perpetrators of it.

I simply see your moral values while deeply moral in fact, are emotionally tainted by the same issue, that you feel contempt for judgmental hateful people and fail to see they react just like you do, with contempt for the evil that judge to be present in others and their use of that as a way to rationalize their hate.

If judgment is required then we can have good judgement and bad judgement. And we can have judgment that is objective and judgement that is irrational. That means we can have good judgement that is objective and good judgement that is accompanied by irrational bias, we can have bad judgement that is based on sound values and bad judgement that is irrational.

I think your judgement in this thread that the world is full of judgmental haters is sound. But their judgment can be objective and rational for some as well as hateful from many others. I think you tend to overlook that end of things.

One can say what happened in Miami stinks to the high heavens and render that judgment as factual without hatred being the motivation. The presence of haters does not change that. A bias against bias is only as good as that the bias against which you are biased is actually biased. I think you always assume it is because it is so often true.

This puts you at constant opposite ends of willingness to look at the facts rather than how others perceive them. You tend always to react as if all liberal judgment is motivated by hate and you stop your analysis there. That is a given. Look at the facts themselves. There are liberals here that are really good at that in my opinion. Some are pretty nasty, but some not so much. Maybe put some effort into seeing what they see and less in automatically rejecting data presented judgmentally.
To simplify things what's wrong with calling someone who slaps an old lady on the streets a bad person?

I would be the one calling the slapper a bad person. People on the right would be denying the slap occurred.

I would call the slapper a bad person regardless of who they are. The right, it would depend if the slapper is one of them.

That's the difference.
 

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To simplify things what's wrong with calling someone who slaps an old lady on the streets a bad person?

I would be the one calling the slapper a bad person. People on the right would be denying the slap occurred.

I would call the slapper a bad person regardless of who they are. The right, it would depend if the slapper is one of them.

That's the difference.
The simple explanation is that the greater the traumatic damage done to us as children and the lesser the contact with people who aren’t themselves so damaged as to not be able to feel empathy, the greater will be the belief that one is worthless after being exposed to put downs, and the more deeply rooted that self hate was made to manifest, the greater the fear of remembering what happened to us will become and the greater the denial of any guilty behavior will be.

An authoritarian personality will result when the fear of self confrontation reaches paranoid levels and the best way to insure never running into a mirror that tells you who you really will be to eliminate every other human being and such severely damaged people will find lots of others as sick as themselves to fortify and justify such a goal. Eventually, however, since none of that can cure the inner self hatred, the group, hashing eliminated the other will turn upon each other as purity tests become more and more refined.

The issue is that the need to define right from wrong implies we are already infected with this need to differentiate. As soon as a distinction between black and white is made and associated with good and evil racism is born. Do the blind see the color of your skin? The difference only exists in the mind. Is there form of conscious awareness in which there is no boundary between a self vs everything else?

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The simple explanation is that the greater the traumatic damage done to us as children and the lesser the contact with people who aren’t themselves so damaged as to not be able to feel empathy, the greater will be the belief that one is worthless after being exposed to put downs, and the more deeply rooted that self hate was made to manifest, the greater the fear of remembering what happened to us will become and the greater the denial of any guilty behavior will be.

An authoritarian personality will result when the fear of self confrontation reaches paranoid levels and the best way to insure never running into a mirror that tells you who you really will be to eliminate every other human being and such severely damaged people will find lots of others as sick as themselves to fortify and justify such a goal. Eventually, however, since none of that can cure the inner self hatred, the group, hashing eliminated the other will turn upon each other as purity tests become more and more refined.

The issue is that the need to define right from wrong implies we are already infected with this need to differentiate. As soon as a distinction between black and white is made and associated with good and evil racism is born. Do the blind see the color of your skin? The difference only exists in the mind. Is there form of conscious awareness in which there is no boundary between a self vs everything else?

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Not as complicated as you state. Occam's Razor
 

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Not as complicated as you state. Occam's Razor
Occam’s Razor says the simplest explanation is usually correct.

The fact that we hate ourselves, don’t know it, won’t know we don’t we don’t know and don’t want to know we don’t want to know is the source of unhappiness and mental anguish and the cause that drives the need to fix everything when nothing is broken.

Like E=MC squared, nothing could be more encompassingly simple or more vital to realize as factual. Ignorance here will lead to endless misery and ultimate extinction the more our technology for mass destruction can fall into the hands of a single individual whose unconscious desire is to end all life.

I can do nothing to force you to see. Just know that I live in a world of people who are happy to stay asleep and every child in that world because of that can disappear in a flash. It’s not your fault and nobody can be blamed, and yet, and yet. Who has the greater crime, you who nothing or me who can do so very little to make you see.
 
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