City completely bans smoking

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Czar
good law, needs more of that

better yet is to classify cigarettes as drugs, like it should be

Yeah, classify it as a drug! As we all know, making drugs illegal has completely stopped people from using them!

do you think there would be fewer drug users than there are now if drugs were legal and you could buy them at the next store you can find?

At least the stores would ask for an ID.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Czar
good law, needs more of that

better yet is to classify cigarettes as drugs, like it should be

Yeah, classify it as a drug! As we all know, making drugs illegal has completely stopped people from using them!

do you think there would be fewer drug users than there are now if drugs were legal and you could buy them at the next store you can find?

At least the stores would ask for an ID.

Yep. And there is no factual evidence that any drug prohibition in history has ever successfully curtailed drug use. Except for the Chinese maybe, but they execute without trial.

 

[Specop 007]

I really wish they'd ban smoking in the country.
Not because I want it banned, as I myself am a smoker. But I'd sure love to see the States twitch and squirm at all that lost tax revenue! Course, they'd make it up you can count on that. Then I'd get laughter round 2 to watch people bitch when their taxes went up 15%.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I really wish they'd ban smoking in the country.
Not because I want it banned, as I myself am a smoker. But I'd sure love to see the States twitch and squirm at all that lost tax revenue! Course, they'd make it up you can count on that. Then I'd get laughter round 2 to watch people bitch when their taxes went up 15%.

:thumbsup:

 

[3NF]

Cigs & Alcohol should be illegal, and Marijuana made legal!

 

[magomago]

Eh horrible rule....

although I hate it when people smoke outside and comes into my place (I don't know where you guys got the fact it would dissapate after just a few feet...each time the neighbors do that i have to close all the windows because I can't stand the smell and it makes me cough)...its frustrating because i'm not asking to breath their air at all

i can understand their stupidity - but its still stupidity no matter how you cut it

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Todd33
If my neighbor stood in his yard blowing smoke where I could smell I'd be pissed too. I have children and as far as I know poisoning others in not a right. Smoke in your house or get a new way to slowly kill yourself. They need to add more harmful stuff to cigarettes, death should be imminent after a few days.

Back to the law, it will be hard to enforce but I assume it is just for show - to make a statement that smokers should be treated as lepers. Good for them, can't stand smokers or smoke.

As I said, I can't stand fat people, especially fat people in the act of stuffing their faces, they are killing themselves, and are a burden on the healthcare system.

With the amount of fat people in this country I think it's pretty clear which group is a bigger burden on society.

Edit - The point is that it's a slippery slope and you can't legislate people's bad habits. Just because someone finds something that you do disgusting doesn't mean they have the right to ban it.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Todd33
If my neighbor stood in his yard blowing smoke where I could smell I'd be pissed too. I have children and as far as I know poisoning others in not a right. Smoke in your house or get a new way to slowly kill yourself. They need to add more harmful stuff to cigarettes, death should be imminent after a few days.

Back to the law, it will be hard to enforce but I assume it is just for show - to make a statement that smokers should be treated as lepers. Good for them, can't stand smokers or smoke.

As I said, I can't stand fat people, especially fat people in the act of stuffing their faces, they are killing themselves, and are a burden on the healthcare system.

With the amount of fat people in this country I think it's pretty clear which group is a bigger burden on society.

Edit - The point is that it's a slippery slope and you can't legislate people's bad habits. Just because someone finds something that you do disgusting doesn't mean they have the right to ban it.

Let me know when a fat person's food harms you and your kids health. Eating is necessary to live, smoking is completly optional and has ingreidients just to make them addicting. But other than that they are the same

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Let me know when a fat person's food harms you and your kids health. Eating is necessary to live, smoking is completly optional and has ingreidients just to make them addicting. But other than that they are the same

As has been mentioned, second hand smoke is not their motivation.

This rationale could be applied to so many social problems in this country it's not even funny, you just can't ban something that others do that you find offensive.

Your line of thinking could be applied to a ban on gay hand holding, since it might influence others to be gay and lead them to "sin". Many on the radical right believe that the gay agenda is to convert other people into being gay.

I don't see how you can deny that it's the same line of thinking.

The same can be said for the anti abortion crowd, and attempting to shame smokers or <insert group here> by some because their behavior is offensive is not what this country is about.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: daveshel
My quality of life would be greatly improved in the meantime.

Banning you from using the internet might improve my quality of life, but you don't see me trying to legislate it.

You must be out of good arguments if you need to resort to personal slurs.

That was a slur? You need a thicker skin, momma's boy.

Now, now, don't get him excited, he may have another attack.

 

[andrewbabcock]

This is a clear constitutional violation.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Todd33
If my neighbor stood in his yard blowing smoke where I could smell I'd be pissed too. I have children and as far as I know poisoning others in not a right. Smoke in your house or get a new way to slowly kill yourself. They need to add more harmful stuff to cigarettes, death should be imminent after a few days.

Back to the law, it will be hard to enforce but I assume it is just for show - to make a statement that smokers should be treated as lepers. Good for them, can't stand smokers or smoke.

As I said, I can't stand fat people, especially fat people in the act of stuffing their faces, they are killing themselves, and are a burden on the healthcare system.

With the amount of fat people in this country I think it's pretty clear which group is a bigger burden on society.

Edit - The point is that it's a slippery slope and you can't legislate people's bad habits. Just because someone finds something that you do disgusting doesn't mean they have the right to ban it.

Let me know when a fat person's food harms you and your kids health. Eating is necessary to live, smoking is completly optional and has ingreidients just to make them addicting. But other than that they are the same

Then how about you proving that an occasional whiff of second hand smoke is harming you or your children.

 

[piasabird]

People that smoke have a filthy habit. Other people that dont smoke should not have to be exposed to their smoke.

 

[Enig101]

Originally posted by: piasabird
People that smoke have a filthy habit. Other people that dont smoke should not have to be exposed to their smoke.

I have to agree. From a not objective view, I really don't care whether people have the freedom to smoke where they want or not. It's disgusting and pointless.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: Enig101

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Vic
Fascism.

It absolutely is.

I'm actually surprised at the number of people who seem to think this is a good idea. The same people who might be complaining about their civil liberties being violated in the name of the WoT.

Democracy is about the balance between individual freedom and the rights of the community. As an extreme example, you are not free to go around murdering people. Is that fascism?

I support making it illegal to smoke in public places like restaraunts, etc. I don't know if a city-wide ban is necessary. Second-hand smoke is only really dangerous inside, but it is certainly no pleasant to walk near someone who is smoking.

A restaurant is a private business. Let the business owner decide! If he decides to allow smoking in his establishment, let him. Those that smoke can go to a free-to-smoke restaurant where they can smoke, and those that don't smoke can go to a smokefree restaurant.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: Enig101

Originally posted by: piasabird
People that smoke have a filthy habit. Other people that dont smoke should not have to be exposed to their smoke.

I have to agree. From a not objective view, I really don't care whether people have the freedom to smoke where they want or not. It's disgusting and pointless.

I hate American football. Its stupid and pointless.

?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Enig101

Originally posted by: piasabird
People that smoke have a filthy habit. Other people that dont smoke should not have to be exposed to their smoke.

I have to agree. From a not objective view, I really don't care whether people have the freedom to smoke where they want or not. It's disgusting and pointless.

I really don't care if you care, that's the way things works in a free society. Anybody comes by my house and complains about me smoking in my yard or on my deck is going to have a very rude awakening.

Until you can PROVE that an ocassional wiff of second hand smoke is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

 

[piasabird]

China had the right idea. Take everyone that smokes and shoot them. The problem with this is that the next time it might be everyone with blond hair or everone that is too ugly, or not tall enough, or too fat.

A socialist country mgiht just take all the smokers and put them in work camps.

 

[Todd33]

Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of pesticide is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of polonium is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of rat killer is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

I don't have to prove a thing, the ingredients are lethal, you have no right to poison others. Smoke in your house and kill yourself.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of pesticide is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of polonium is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of rat killer is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

I don't have to prove a thing, the ingredients are lethal, you have no right to poison others. Smoke in your house and kill yourself.

Your arguments are shockingly similar to that of religious fundamentalists. I am not surprised. Moral authoritarians are all the same.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of pesticide is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of polonium is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of rat killer is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

I don't have to prove a thing, the ingredients are lethal, you have no right to poison others. Smoke in your house and kill yourself.

I guess we better outlaw spraying the yard for mosquitos or even weeds to make you happy. Perhaps perfumes should also be studied? How about gas guzzlers? Where does it stop, when you can tell me exactly what I can and can't do?

You are the one supporting a totally unreasonable ban on smoking, so like it or not the burden of proof falls on you. So kindly put up or shut up.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of pesticide is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of polonium is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of rat killer is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

I don't have to prove a thing, the ingredients are lethal, you have no right to poison others. Smoke in your house and kill yourself.

How does it poison you when I smoke in a park?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: Todd33
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of pesticide is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of polonium is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of rat killer is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

I don't have to prove a thing, the ingredients are lethal, you have no right to poison others. Smoke in your house and kill yourself.

How does it poison you when I smoke in a park?

It makes him uncomfortable.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: Todd33
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of pesticide is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of polonium is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of rat killer is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

I don't have to prove a thing, the ingredients are lethal, you have no right to poison others. Smoke in your house and kill yourself.

How does it poison you when I smoke in a park?

What a stupid question. If you can smell the smoke, then you are inhaling it. Kids play at parks, does smoking cause retardation?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: Todd33
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of pesticide is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of polonium is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.
Until you can PROVE that an occasional wiff of rat killer is harming you, kindly BUZZ OFF. No harm, no foul.

I don't have to prove a thing, the ingredients are lethal, you have no right to poison others. Smoke in your house and kill yourself.

How does it poison you when I smoke in a park?

What a stupid question. If you can smell the smoke, then you are inhaling it. Kids play at parks, does smoking cause retardation?

Are you somehow trying to argue that one whiff of cigarette smoke OUTSIDE is lethal? Good luck with that.