Cisco OWNZ

[Goosemaster]

the more I find out, the more my teachers teach me, the more I love it


Their capabilities are INSANE


<--future CCNA, future CCNP, future CCIE, future EE, future CE

 

[Shockwave]

Your on crack. Yeah, in the classroom they own. Until you get into the real world.
Their IP solutions are good. Top notch. But, start throwing in other protocols and its a different ballgame.
Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors with Cisco

Forgot to add, I'm also having less and less faith is Cisco certified users. It seems what once was a highly prized cert is becomgin much like MS certs, and with me anyways losing credibility. Slowly but still.... I've seen people with NO real world experience to speak of having CCIE's. How? They took Cisco focused college degree programs. Well hell, after 4 years of hand holding I would HOPE someone could get a CCIE.
Its still a good cert IMO, and most know what their doing, but it seems that its becoming more and more common to see CCNA's who've never even SEEN a router.

 

[Goosemaster]

Their 3750 supports 32Gbits/s:Q

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Your on crack. Yeah, in the classroom they own. Until you get into the real world.
Their IP solutions are good. Top notch. But, start throwing in other protocols and its a different ballgame.
Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors with Cisco

Yeah, but you need other protocols if you are going to deliver as quickly.


Unfortunately I am not even a CCNA yet(taking it right now) but how does cisco approach the TCP/IP layers?

Are you hinting at problems they are creating by branching out into the proprietary?


Also, you'd think any wireless solutions they deliver now should be somewhat immune to criticizm over proprietarism. NO ONE is delivering jack Sh!t when it comes to wireless security;|

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Their 3750 supports 32Gbits/s:Q

New to this? Marconi...
"Marconi provides a complete line of multiservice switch routers that support ATM/IP/MPLS protocols and scale from 2.5 Gbps to 480 Gbps."

480 > 32

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Your on crack. Yeah, in the classroom they own. Until you get into the real world.
Their IP solutions are good. Top notch. But, start throwing in other protocols and its a different ballgame.
Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors with Cisco

Yeah, but you need other protocols if you are going to deliver as quickly.


Unfortunately I am not even a CCNA yet(taking it right now) but how does cisco approach the TCP/IP layers?

Are you hinting at problems they are creating by branching out into the proprietary?


Also, you'd think any wireless solutions they deliver now should be somewhat immune to criticizm over proprietarism. NO ONE is delivering jack Sh!t when it comes to wireless security;|

I'm saying if *I* was in charge of a network my WAN access's would be Nortel. Cisco has excellent IP solutions, from simple little switches to major kick ass routers. But, their other solutions for products (ATM, FR etc) havent impressed me nearly as much.

Dont get me wrong, Cisco is good the whole way around. But, trust me on this, they have thier fair share of problems. Dont think they some golden child to networking, they DO have problems, software bugs and little glitches in their products just like every other major vendor out there.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Their 3750 supports 32Gbits/s:Q

New to this? Marconi...
"Marconi provides a complete line of multiservice switch routers that support ATM/IP/MPLS protocols and scale from 2.5 Gbps to 480 Gbps."

480 > 32

uhem....32Gbit/s fabric on an AFORDABLE to-the-desktop switch


I am sure I could pull some numbers of of Foundry's site that would rival Marconi's

 

[MC]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Their 3750 supports 32Gbits/s:Q

in theory.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Their 3750 supports 32Gbits/s:Q

New to this? Marconi...
"Marconi provides a complete line of multiservice switch routers that support ATM/IP/MPLS protocols and scale from 2.5 Gbps to 480 Gbps."

480 > 32

uhem....32Gbit/s fabric on an AFORDABLE to-the-desktop switch


I am sure I could pull some numbers of of Foundry's site that would rival Marconi's

I'll give you that. I would love to banter back and forth and compare but I'm actually studying my CCNA right now. I'll have to wrap up and say I like Nortel gear. My personal preference.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Your on crack. Yeah, in the classroom they own. Until you get into the real world.
Their IP solutions are good. Top notch. But, start throwing in other protocols and its a different ballgame.
Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors with Cisco

Forgot to add, I'm also having less and less faith is Cisco certified users. It seems what once was a highly prized cert is becomgin much like MS certs, and with me anyways losing credibility. Slowly but still.... I've seen people with NO real world experience to speak of having CCIE's. How? They took Cisco focused college degree programs. Well hell, after 4 years of hand holding I would HOPE someone could get a CCIE.
Its still a good cert IMO, and most know what their doing, but it seems that its becoming more and more common to see CCNA's who've never even SEEN a router.

On the topic of certs; there is nothing wrong with either MS or Cisco certs in an of themselves. It's the idiots who manage to learn q&a and pass the tests that give them bad name.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Your on crack. Yeah, in the classroom they own. Until you get into the real world.
Their IP solutions are good. Top notch. But, start throwing in other protocols and its a different ballgame.
Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors with Cisco

Forgot to add, I'm also having less and less faith is Cisco certified users. It seems what once was a highly prized cert is becomgin much like MS certs, and with me anyways losing credibility. Slowly but still.... I've seen people with NO real world experience to speak of having CCIE's. How? They took Cisco focused college degree programs. Well hell, after 4 years of hand holding I would HOPE someone could get a CCIE.
Its still a good cert IMO, and most know what their doing, but it seems that its becoming more and more common to see CCNA's who've never even SEEN a router.

On the topic of certs; there is nothing wrong with either MS or Cisco certs in an of themselves. It's the idiots who manage to learn q&a and pass the tests that give them bad name.

Thats what I was referring to. The certs themselves are good, and you DO learn alot from them. The problem is, they were marketed by 3rd party institutions as THE thing to learn, thereby downplaying the need for hands on real world experience to go along WITh the cert.
Its like saying, Well i can race on Gran Turismo should be able to race in the real world. Doesnt work that way.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Their 3750 supports 32Gbits/s:Q

New to this? Marconi...
"Marconi provides a complete line of multiservice switch routers that support ATM/IP/MPLS protocols and scale from 2.5 Gbps to 480 Gbps."

480 > 32

uhem....32Gbit/s fabric on an AFORDABLE to-the-desktop switch


I am sure I could pull some numbers of of Foundry's site that would rival Marconi's

I'll give you that. I would love to banter back and forth and compare but I'm actually studying my CCNA right now. I'll have to wrap up and say I like Nortel gear. My personal preference.

Nortel is VERY nice as well. Do they have certification programs?


The reason I am doing the CCNA program at my college is becuase I know bits and pieces, and through application, I hope to gaina keen understading of networking. Of course I will be taking a butload of TCP/IP classes, but CISCO offers me a direct route to learning and applying my skills in a controlled enviroment(school).

I used to mess around with linux..and then Windows server..and linux again, and it was a disaster. Somehow I just got so impressed by names and technologies, that I overlooked understanding the core knowledge.

Basically, I am really impressed with what Cisco is offering me.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Your on crack. Yeah, in the classroom they own. Until you get into the real world.
Their IP solutions are good. Top notch. But, start throwing in other protocols and its a different ballgame.
Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors with Cisco

Forgot to add, I'm also having less and less faith is Cisco certified users. It seems what once was a highly prized cert is becomgin much like MS certs, and with me anyways losing credibility. Slowly but still.... I've seen people with NO real world experience to speak of having CCIE's. How? They took Cisco focused college degree programs. Well hell, after 4 years of hand holding I would HOPE someone could get a CCIE.
Its still a good cert IMO, and most know what their doing, but it seems that its becoming more and more common to see CCNA's who've never even SEEN a router.

On the topic of certs; there is nothing wrong with either MS or Cisco certs in an of themselves. It's the idiots who manage to learn q&a and pass the tests that give them bad name.

Thats what I was referring to. The certs themselves are good, and you DO learn alot from them. The problem is, they were marketed by 3rd party institutions as THE thing to learn, thereby downplaying the need for hands on real world experience to go along WITh the cert.
Its like saying, Well i can race on Gran Turismo should be able to race in the real world. Doesnt work that way.

yeah...most of the people in my class already have their CCNA(not me obviously), and know jack Sh!t

 

[Shockwave]

Oh, like I said, Cisco is good, I dont want to sound like I am downplaying it. Not at all. But, for people starting out Cisco is viewed as the Holy Grail of networking equipment, when in fact its not really any better or any worse then other currently available vendor products.
Now, if you have the real world experience to back those certs...... Skys the limit. But PLEASE dont just go for the certs for the sake of having the certification. And Nortel does have some certs i *think*, but nothing to what Cisco has. Cisco has done a very good job in both providing solutions and providing a training route for indivduals to support their solutions. Kudos to them on that. Like I said, its the way schools portray the certs that pisses me off.
1 week and be CCNA or MSCE certified!!
Yeah, good on the TV, but when I run into this people at work and have to deal with them I want to pull their throat out. They think cause they have the cert that they are right, regardless. Its horrible. And I'm sure alot of members on this board could share stories as well as I about that new guy with his cert who couldnt do this or that simple task.

 

[gunblade]

Cisco OWNZ ?

Well, not as much as they did few years ago ....

Few friends who were engineers in Cisco all felt the same as I do.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Your on crack. Yeah, in the classroom they own. Until you get into the real world.
Their IP solutions are good. Top notch. But, start throwing in other protocols and its a different ballgame.
Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors with Cisco

Forgot to add, I'm also having less and less faith is Cisco certified users. It seems what once was a highly prized cert is becomgin much like MS certs, and with me anyways losing credibility. Slowly but still.... I've seen people with NO real world experience to speak of having CCIE's. How? They took Cisco focused college degree programs. Well hell, after 4 years of hand holding I would HOPE someone could get a CCIE.
Its still a good cert IMO, and most know what their doing, but it seems that its becoming more and more common to see CCNA's who've never even SEEN a router.

On the topic of certs; there is nothing wrong with either MS or Cisco certs in an of themselves. It's the idiots who manage to learn q&a and pass the tests that give them bad name.

Thats what I was referring to. The certs themselves are good, and you DO learn alot from them. The problem is, they were marketed by 3rd party institutions as THE thing to learn, thereby downplaying the need for hands on real world experience to go along WITh the cert.
Its like saying, Well i can race on Gran Turismo should be able to race in the real world. Doesnt work that way.

yeah...most of the people in my class already have their CCNA(not me obviously), and know jack Sh!t

Shockwave - I agree. Thing is, I teach part-time at one of those 3rd party training centers and the quality of people coming in for "career change" is nothing short of awful. We're talking about people in their 30's, 40's, and even 50's, some if not most of them have never touched a PC. They all expect to finish their school within a year and immediately be hired on making 60-70k.

Goosemaster - don't let this deter you. I'd rather compete against complete idiots then someone much more knowledgeable

 

[LAUST]

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[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Oh, like I said, Cisco is good, I dont want to sound like I am downplaying it. Not at all. But, for people starting out Cisco is viewed as the Holy Grail of networking equipment, when in fact its not really any better or any worse then other currently available vendor products.
Now, if you have the real world experience to back those certs...... Skys the limit. But PLEASE dont just go for the certs for the sake of having the certification. And Nortel does have some certs i *think*, but nothing to what Cisco has. Cisco has done a very good job in both providing solutions and providing a training route for indivduals to support their solutions. Kudos to them on that. Like I said, its the way schools portray the certs that pisses me off.
1 week and be CCNA or MSCE certified!!
Yeah, good on the TV, but when I run into this people at work and have to deal with them I want to pull their throat out. They think cause they have the cert that they are right, regardless. Its horrible. And I'm sure alot of members on this board could share stories as well as I about that new guy with his cert who couldnt do this or that simple task.

I agree with you 100%. Like I wrote, I am looking to understand, not get certfied for the sake of being certefied.

Basically, I am finding that the route I am taking will be quite effective in my professional career, and my educational career. Most of the classes I have taken are quite analytical, and wow they are sometimes good, the application is not there to keep you hooked. Linux was a good example of the application, and I have taken Unix classes, but the networking bug/virus reigns supreme since it bit be

 

[Shockwave]

AnyMal, so you know exactly what I mean. I would like to see those training centers focus more on existing IT personnel for training. Go to you rlocal mega corp and say
Hey! We'll give you a XXX discount if you send XXX people!
Or go to the local colleges and offer discounts to students who are senior year in the IT field. Something like that. Rather then target these classes for the average Joe who is tired of framing houses etc etc.

The 3rd party training is good, and should exist. It needs to change its target audience though IMO.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
AnyMal, so you know exactly what I mean. I would like to see those training centers focus more on existing IT personnel for training. Go to you rlocal mega corp and say
Hey! We'll give you a XXX discount if you send XXX people!
Or go to the local colleges and offer discounts to students who are senior year in the IT field. Something like that. Rather then target these classes for the average Joe who is tired of framing houses etc etc.

The 3rd party training is good, and should exist. It needs to change its target audience though IMO.

Well, we do offer corporate trainig, but companies have been really stringent with their IT budgets lately (across the board), which does include training. So the school is actively soliciting these "career changers" who may have money left over in GI Bill, or government grants, or just willing to take out educational loans. I do feel sorry for these people at times, as most of them have no business, or talent, or even the most basic skill set to work in IT. I try to tell them that IT career requires more then just schooling, it's one of those things you have to embrace unconditionaly, be flexible, dedicated, and most of all really love it, otherwise it will eat you alive. In my years in IT I have seen plenty "accidental" people who became miserable shortly after been hired on. Unless it's something you can and WANT dedicate your life to, look elsewhere.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Shockwave
AnyMal, so you know exactly what I mean. I would like to see those training centers focus more on existing IT personnel for training. Go to you rlocal mega corp and say
Hey! We'll give you a XXX discount if you send XXX people!
Or go to the local colleges and offer discounts to students who are senior year in the IT field. Something like that. Rather then target these classes for the average Joe who is tired of framing houses etc etc.

The 3rd party training is good, and should exist. It needs to change its target audience though IMO.

Well, we do offer corporate trainig, but companies have been really stringent with their IT budgets lately (across the board), which does include training. So the school is actively soliciting these "career changers" who may have money left over in GI Bill, or government grants, or just willing to take out educational loans. I do feel sorry for these people at times, as most of them have no business, or talent, or even the most basic skill set to work in IT. I try to tell them that IT career requires more then just schooling, it's one of those things you have to embrace unconditionaly, be flexible, dedicated, and most of all really love it, otherwise it will eat you alive. In my years in IT I have seen plenty "accidental" people who became miserable shortly after been hired on. Unless it's something you can and WANT dedicate your life to, look elsewhere.

Amen brother! Goddamn thats the truth. The IT field is like taking evolution and injecting it with meth. You evolve fast or you die quick. Sometimes its almost sad to think how much your IT guy has to keep track of. I mean, we face updates weekly. New equipment yearly. New standards, protocols, operating systems. Its a huge commitment to actually want to go into IT and excel. Its not to hard to maintain, but if you wanan be the best of the best your gonna have to bust some serious ass. And once you get there you have to keep bustin serious ass to keep your edge.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Shockwave
AnyMal, so you know exactly what I mean. I would like to see those training centers focus more on existing IT personnel for training. Go to you rlocal mega corp and say
Hey! We'll give you a XXX discount if you send XXX people!
Or go to the local colleges and offer discounts to students who are senior year in the IT field. Something like that. Rather then target these classes for the average Joe who is tired of framing houses etc etc.

The 3rd party training is good, and should exist. It needs to change its target audience though IMO.

Well, we do offer corporate trainig, but companies have been really stringent with their IT budgets lately (across the board), which does include training. So the school is actively soliciting these "career changers" who may have money left over in GI Bill, or government grants, or just willing to take out educational loans. I do feel sorry for these people at times, as most of them have no business, or talent, or even the most basic skill set to work in IT. I try to tell them that IT career requires more then just schooling, it's one of those things you have to embrace unconditionaly, be flexible, dedicated, and most of all really love it, otherwise it will eat you alive. In my years in IT I have seen plenty "accidental" people who became miserable shortly after been hired on. Unless it's something you can and WANT dedicate your life to, look elsewhere.

Amen brother! Goddamn thats the truth. The IT field is like taking evolution and injecting it with meth. You evolve fast or you die quick. Sometimes its almost sad to think how much your IT guy has to keep track of. I mean, we face updates weekly. New equipment yearly. New standards, protocols, operating systems. Its a huge commitment to actually want to go into IT and excel. Its not to hard to maintain, but if you wanan be the best of the best your gonna have to bust some serious ass. And once you get there you have to keep bustin serious ass to keep your edge.

I do have a little IT work under my belt, and with that I also agree with you. Many people approach an IT CAREER as they would a 1990s .com. THey expect the plethora of riches, and then are shocked by the workload they find, do not enjoy their work, do not adapt to the "technology is changing everyday so keep up" mentality, and make life for the truely knowledgable a living hell.

 

[Shockwave]

Speaking of keeping up, gotta go test an OC3 now. Yay for testing. Back later.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Speaking of keeping up, gotta go test an OC3 now. Yay for testing. Back later.

You lucky fu.....

 

[Kadarin]

Cisco is a vendor, but not the only vendor. Try not to be a fanboi before you know all the facts.

So you're a "future CCNA, future CCNP, future CCIE, future EE, future CE", eh? How much do you know now?