CISA signed into law

[Vic]

He's got a veto pen, why isn't it that easy?

He's got the authority to pardon, why is Snowden still in Russia?

Why is it such a stretch to think Obama is for this type of legislation?

What good would it do for the President to veto a bill that passed the Senate with 74 votes?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Another article on it.

"We are pleased that the Omnibus includes cybersecurity information sharing legislation," a senior administration official said in an emailed statement. "The President has long called on Congress to pass cybersecurity information sharing legislation that will help the private sector and government share more cyber threat information by providing for targeted liability protections while carefully safeguarding privacy, confidentiality, and civil liberties."

The ACLU and many tech firms seem to feel differently than the DC powers that be however: Link

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama doesn't have a line item veto. So whoever in Congress stuck that one into a must-pass legislation, you can thank them.

Heh, they really tied his hands. Maybe his tongue too.

"We are pleased that the Omnibus includes cybersecurity information sharing legislation," a senior administration official said in an emailed statement. "The President has long called on Congress to pass cybersecurity information sharing legislation that will help the private sector and government share more cyber threat information by providing for targeted liability protections while carefully safeguarding privacy, confidentiality, and civil liberties."

 

[Jaskalas]

What good would it do for the President to veto a bill that passed the Senate with 74 votes?

Because the leader at the bully pulpit can bring public attention and awareness and help fickle cowards stand on principle when called to task. Either that or at least he alone could stand for the very reason he was elected.

If 2008 was not in opposition to Bush / Neocon / Police State policy... then what was it? Sweeping majorities, huge anti-Republican backlash... all so Obama could be the same as Bush? He was elected to stop this !##$, not to become it.

As a politician Obama is a grievous lair who betrayed everyone that thought Bush was bad.

 

[Harabec]

Politics, politics never change...

 

[Zodiark1593]

Gotta love the Obliarchy that Democracy tends to evolve (or devolve) to. Looking back at Rome, I give it a couple or so generations before we get the United Empire of America.

 

[Darwin333]

What good would it do for the President to veto a bill that passed the Senate with 74 votes?

What is get public support on his side and VASTLY increase public awareness for $1,000 Alex.

 

[ivwshane]

Because the leader at the bully pulpit can bring public attention and awareness and help fickle cowards stand on principle when called to task. Either that or at least he alone could stand for the very reason he was elected.

If 2008 was not in opposition to Bush / Neocon / Police State policy... then what was it? Sweeping majorities, huge anti-Republican backlash... all so Obama could be the same as Bush? He was elected to stop this !##$, not to become it.

As a politician Obama is a grievous lair who betrayed everyone that thought Bush was bad.

And what do you think the response from the right would be, who also support this? The right would be screaming bloody murder claiming the president is tying the hands of people who are charged with protecting the public. If Obama was against this (he's not and that's been a known known since the beginning of the 2008 election) his public attention would be drowned out by the right wing idiots whome you support.

If you want real debate and real change in this country then you and others need to get rid of the penny hennys, otherwise nothing will change.

 

[ivwshane]

What is get public support on his side and VASTLY increase public awareness for $1,000 Alex.

You do know the public supports this like the patriot act right? The public has a horrible gauge of risk and will support anything if it makes them feel safe. Hell, that's the game that the GOP has been using to stay relevant.

 

[MongGrel]

Politics, politics never change...

Pretty much this.

Because the leader at the bully pulpit can bring public attention and awareness and help fickle cowards stand on principle when called to task. Either that or at least he alone could stand for the very reason he was elected.

If 2008 was not in opposition to Bush / Neocon / Police State policy... then what was it? Sweeping majorities, huge anti-Republican backlash... all so Obama could be the same as Bush? He was elected to stop this !##$, not to become it.

As a politician Obama is a grievous lair who betrayed everyone that thought Bush was bad.

Bully pulpit, that's pretty damned funny.

Any Republican backlash these days has been brought on by themselves.

Dubya and company had pretty much a mandate on policy and world sympathy after 9/11 and screwed that up so badly it was pathetic.

Mr "I want to be a War President" screwed the pooch badly on that one.

How he was ever re-elected to begin with is beyond me.

Must have been a bit of that hanging chad thing at the time...

 

[Darwin333]

You do know the public supports this like the patriot act right? The public has a horrible gauge of risk and will support anything if it makes them feel safe. Hell, that's the game that the GOP has been using to stay relevant.

It would be nice if we had a great leader who would tell us when risky stuff is going through the senate and explain why it's so risky and then threaten to veto said risky shit wouldn't it? I guess that's just too much to ask from the most powerful man in the world.

Everyone keeps saying how many votes it passed by, do yall really think those same people were really willing to go toe to toe with the president over legislation that they sneaked into a must pass bill that further erodes our privacy? If they were then wouldn't that have been a great battle for Obama to fight regardless if he won or lost?

Of course that would be silly since Obama himself actually supports said law that further erodes our privacy.

 

[master_shake_]

Hahahahaahahahahahahahajajahajaha

Good fucking luck

 

[Vic]

What is get public support on his side and VASTLY increase public awareness for $1,000 Alex.

Public awareness about legislation should begin with who the people vote into Congress, where the laws actually get made.
Both of my senators voted no BTW.

 

[Zorkorist]

The fucking young people that just realized they have no say.

-John

 

[werepossum]

Heh, they really tied his hands. Maybe his tongue too.

Well, yeah, but he only said that (many times) because Republicans.

Politics, politics never change...

+1

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

This is extremely bad news.

 

[Genx87]

Oh look time to defend Obama from shitty legislation he supports passing with support from both parties. For those of you who believe there is much difference between Obama and Bush when it comes to this shit good luck. Hillary is more of the same.

 

[K1052]

Oh look time to defend Obama from shitty legislation he supports passing with support from both parties. For those of you who believe there is much difference between Obama and Bush when it comes to this shit good luck. Hillary is more of the same.

There really is no divergence on this topic from anyone who could plausibly win the election. Congress is largely in the bag for any privacy stripping legislation in the name of "protecting" us and just waited until an opportune moment.

 

[Genx87]

There really is no divergence on this topic from anyone who could plausibly win the election. Congress is largely in the bag for any privacy stripping legislation in the name of "protecting" us and just waited until an opportune moment.

Oh absolutely. If anybody is listening to Clinton or the Republican party they both want to strip more of our privacy. What annoys me are people making excuses for the democrat party and Obama in particular. There is no getting around this administration has been a catastrophe when it comes to privacy and liberties via the War on Terror.

 

[Darwin333]

Public awareness about legislation should begin with who the people vote into Congress, where the laws actually get made.
Both of my senators voted no BTW.

I agree.

What has been stated many times in this thread was that the most powerful man in the world was powerless to do anything about this so it wasn't even worth him trying.

I beg to differ. If from the very start he had said that he would veto the bill if they tried to sneak in bullshit like this and stuck to his guns this "must pass legislation" likely wouldn't have included CISA. If it did and they overrode his veto then at least he would have been on the right side of the issue.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

i bet a whole dollar that despite this, obama will be remembered as a good president years from now.

lmao & rotfl

 

[shady28]

This is what happened the last time this type of legislation was attempted.

They had to drop into a 2000 page bill in back-room meetings, and give only 48-72 hours to review before voting on it, in order to get it to pass to avoid public pressure.

So no, your representatives don't really care what you think, in either party. You are merely an inconvenience.



http://marketingland.com/sopa-stats...illion-tweets-google-crawling-dropped-60-3815

"SOPA Stats: 7 Million Petitions, 3.9 Million Tweets & Google Crawling Dropped 60%
Matt McGee on January 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm"

By all accounts, yesterday was a big and important day for the tech and online marketing industries. Hundreds of websites protested the SOPA & PIPA bills that are currently moving through the U.S. Congress by either going completely dark for the day or — as we did here on Marketing Land and our sister site, Search Engine Land — blackening a portion of our site and adding anti-SOPA/PIPA messaging to their home pages.

Did it work?

Well, the two bills are not dead, but they’re certainly damaged. By Wednesday night, the Washington Post says that at least four co-sponsors dropped support of PIPA, the Senate version of the bill. The House version, SOPA, also lost prominent support after yesterday’s web protests — protests that extended offline to include hundreds of phone calls to Congress.

How big was yesterday’s anti-SOPA/PIPA movement online? Here are the numbers.

Wikipedia
sopa-wikipedia

Wikipedia was the most prominent website to go completely black yesterday. Their recap of what happened is as follows:

More than 162 million users saw Wikipedia’s blackout page.
More than eight million used the page to look up their representatives’ contact information.
More than 12,000 people commented on the Wikimedia Foundation’s blog post about the blackout.

 

[Dude111]

This is extremely bad news.

Believe me it was going on LONG BEFORE THIS GOT PASSED!!

 

[werepossum]

This is what happened the last time this type of legislation was attempted.

They had to drop into a 2000 page bill in back-room meetings, and give only 48-72 hours to review before voting on it, in order to get it to pass to avoid public pressure.

So no, your representatives don't really care what you think, in either party. You are merely an inconvenience.

http://marketingland.com/sopa-stats...illion-tweets-google-crawling-dropped-60-3815

"SOPA Stats: 7 Million Petitions, 3.9 Million Tweets & Google Crawling Dropped 60%
Matt McGee on January 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm"

QFT for the bolded.

 

[blankslate]

How many people would have still shit on him if he used his veto to "shut down the government" because a violation of the 4th Amendment was snuck into a spending bill?

Perhaps he should have and held a Presidential speech about it. Not one of his normal speeches but something like you'd imagine Jules as portrayed by Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction would riff on about for 5-10 minutes.

We get the government we deserve. it is as simple as that.



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