Cingular to charge $5 dollars for users of old phones

mzkhadir

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Cingular to charge $5 for older phones
Company trying to prod nearly 5 million subscribers to upgrade handsets
Updated: 7:32 p.m. CT July 31, 2006

NEW YORK - About 4.7 million Cingular Wireless subscribers with older phones will have to pay $5 extra each month as the company tries to prod them to get new handsets so it can devote its entire network to one type of signal.

The new surcharge, unique among the major U.S. carriers, will be added to bills starting in September, the company told The Associated Press on Monday.

Cingular, jointly owned by prospective merger partners AT&T Inc. and BellSouth Corp., reported earlier this month that roughly 92 percent of its 57.3 million customers use phones based on the globally dominant technology known as GSM, or Global System for Mobile.

The rest have handsets based on one of two older technologies. One dates back two decades to the first-generation of mobile phones, which used an "analog," or non-digital, signal to transmit calls. The second is a digital transmission technique known as TDMA, which stands for Time Division Multiple Access.

The new fee, which will generate $23.5 million a month for Cingular, adds to a confusing array of surcharges and government taxes that, regardless of the wireless company, can boost the average cellular bill by up to 50 percent from the advertised rate.

Like other U.S. cellular carriers, Cingular is required by the Federal Communications Commission to keep providing analog service until early 2008 so long as it still has customers with those phones.

Although the company is not required to continue providing TDMA service, it has no plans to turn off that service until the analog phaseout because both use the same portion of Cingular's network.

Nonetheless, having to carry three different kinds of wireless signals leaves less room for Cingular to connect calls and provide data services to its much larger audience of GSM customers.

That network capacity is crucial because Cingular is trying to shake a reputation for poor service, boasting in national ad campaigns that its customers suffer the fewest dropped calls. Cingular's image was tarnished after its acquisition in late 2004 of AT&T Wireless Services, a merger that required the complex integration of two disparate networks.

In early July, a federal lawsuit was filed claiming Cingular promised to provide uninterrupted service to AT&T Wireless subscribers, but instead degraded their phone reception in an effort to persuade them to sign new contracts.

Cingular strongly refuted the claims in the lawsuit, which seeks class-action status on behalf of the more than 20 million customers AT&T Wireless had at the time of the merger. Many paid $18 "transfer" fees to switch to Cingular plans and were required to buy new phones or pay other fees, according to the complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in Seattle.

On Monday, Cingular issued a statement to AP saying that with the number of analog and TDMA users dwindling, "the per-customer cost of using that network is increasing considerably. That's why we made a decision to impose this charge."

The statement stressed that, "Customers can avoid the charge by switching to our GSM network and equipment. The combination of coverage, service quality, devices, and advanced features on GSM is superior to TDMA."

Verizon Wireless, jointly owned by Verizon Communications Inc. and Vodafone Group PLC, serves most of its 54.8 million subscribers with a different digital wireless technology known as "CDMA," but still has an undisclosed number of analog customers. Those users are not charged an extra fee.

Sprint Nextel Corp. has no analog subscribers on either of its two networks, which were built later than those at Verizon and Cingular and use digital technologies. The Sprint network uses CDMA, while Nextel employs a standard called iDEN.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14125254/page/2/
 

KK

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I got the message concerning the charge on my last bill. I have the nation 250 plan for 29.99, which If I were to get a new gsm phone I'd have to switch plans and the cheapest one they have is 39.99. Thru my company's discount it'd be around 32 something. Is there any decent phones out there now?
 

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it caused them to lose one account, my grandmother's - she had an analog car phone that got used for a max of 5 minutes a month (sometimes 0). She doesn't drive anymore (Alzheimers), so whoever was driving her always has a cell phone, it really was a waste to pay the $20+fees ($25/month) for it..$5/month more and my grandpa said to cancel it

they would probably rather have the spectrum though, than the $25/month anyway..
 

mb

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Seems pretty damn smart to me. Hopefully their next step after that will be adding far more GSM coverage at a greater rate. They've been in Virginia for years now, and it seems that they have yet to add one new tower except in nova/DC.
 

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They're just trying to get people to get off Analog/TDMA and switch to GSM... Kinda make sense in their perspective cuz they probably wanna finally kill off that TDMA network
 

OREOSpeedwagon

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Originally posted by: KK
I got the message concerning the charge on my last bill. I have the nation 250 plan for 29.99, which If I were to get a new gsm phone I'd have to switch plans and the cheapest one they have is 39.99. Thru my company's discount it'd be around 32 something. Is there any decent phones out there now?

I like my RAZR pretty well, but the SLVR is pretty cool and there is a new, smaller RAZR coming out soon I believe.
 

thescreensavers

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Originally posted by: ballmode
More bars and more fees in most places.

Cingular, raising the fees.


I called cingualr b/c Of my calls being droped and the lead enginere there said there 85% done on a netwaork that will be better then any other so... IMHO waht he said was crap
 

KK

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Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Originally posted by: KK
I got the message concerning the charge on my last bill. I have the nation 250 plan for 29.99, which If I were to get a new gsm phone I'd have to switch plans and the cheapest one they have is 39.99. Thru my company's discount it'd be around 32 something. Is there any decent phones out there now?

I like my RAZR pretty well, but the SLVR is pretty cool and there is a new, smaller RAZR coming out soon I believe.

This would be for my wife, her requirements are it gotta be a flip phone, not have an external antenna, speakerphone, good reception. I doubt she'd use any other features. The slvr doesn't look like its a flip phone so that probably out. How the reception on the razr? oh and the battery life, she requires something that doesn't die in a day.

 

Toastedlightly

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Well, I got out of my cingular contract because they decomissioned a few towers near me. Didn't even get signal in most of my town. IT was pathetic. Glad Im off that now, and am Tmobile.
 

EarthwormJim

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While a ridiculous service fee, I can't believe some people still have analog phones. You can easily pick up a cheap gsm phone off of ebay for next to nothing.
 

Xyclone

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Originally posted by: doze
Just another reason to stay away from Cingular

Hell yeah, Cingular is a very crappy company who just got lucky that idiots are buying their service. I've been with VZW since they were here, and they're fvcking awesome.
 

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Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: doze
Just another reason to stay away from Cingular

Hell yeah, Cingular is a very crappy company who just got lucky that idiots are buying their service. I've been with VZW since they were here, and they're fvcking awesome.

I sort of disagree. I've been with Cingular for about 3 years now and I've been pretty happy. Aside from crappy-ass customer service, they're pretty good.
 

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Anyone of you that thinks this is a stupid "policy raising" scheme or horrible treatment for whoever is effected is the reason America's cellular networks are so far behind compared to other developed nations. Hello people, Cingular is charging extra for people using TDMA digital/analog phones, phones that were superceded in the US way back in 2000, why the hell should they continue to cater to the needs of people either A. too cheap to keep up with the times or B. quick to point fingers at big corps for being "mean". Its not like switching to GSM would cost them (the customers) anything, they have TDMA phones, which means the most advanced feature their handset could possibly have is a color screen, and last time I checked GSM phones of this flavor cost $0 with contract. I hope they just shut the TDMA network off in regions GSM is availible and tell the 8% of their customers still on TDMA to either get a new phone or take their business elsewhere. Bring on the 3G phones Cingular.

EDIT: Ugh, its not like the FCC helps either :roll:
Like other U.S. cellular carriers, Cingular is required by the Federal Communications Commission to keep providing analog service until early 2008 so long as it still has customers with those phones.
Damnit, get us out of the stone age and give us phones like Europe and Japan. And internet speeds. Also cocks.
 

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Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Originally posted by: ballmode
More bars and more fees in most places.

Cingular, raising the fees.


I called cingualr b/c Of my calls being droped and the lead enginere there said there 85% done on a netwaork that will be better then any other so... IMHO waht he said was crap

Translation: "I called Cingular because of my calls being dropped. The lead engineer said that they're 85% done on a network that will be better than any other. So....IMHO, what he said was crap"

I hope you're drunk or something with that kind of spelling.

Anyhow, to stay on topic, my step dad uses Cingular and detests their customer service. He had a phone die on him and they sent him through the beurocracy rounds before they sent him a new one.
 

VanTheMan

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I won't be affected by this fee, but I have Cingular and my $59.99 a month family plan ends up costing more like $89.99 a month after all the fees and stuff that make no sense on the bill. Anybody know how there can be $30 of fees on a $60 bill? I know some of it is taxes and whatnot, but 50% tax? I think not.
 

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Originally posted by: jagec
But will they give you a free phone to replace your old one? Yeah right.

Of course they will, with a new two year commitment.
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jstack
Originally posted by: jagec
But will they give you a free phone to replace your old one? Yeah right.

Of course they will, with a new two year commitment.

I very strongly believe this Contract Commitment crap should be banned.

It is anti-free market.

Then pay for your phone and you don't have to worry about it.