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CIA report: NO WMD. Period

Steeplerot

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/....wmd.report/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes.

In fact, the long-awaited report, authored by Charles Duelfer, who advises the director of central intelligence on Iraqi weapons, says, Iraq's WMD program was essentially destroyed in 1991 and Saddam ended Iraq's nuclear program after the 1991 Gulf War.

The Iraq Survey Group report, released Wednesday, is 1,200 to 1,500 pages long.

The massive report does say, however, that Iraq worked hard to cheat on United Nations-imposed sanctions and retain the capability to resume production of weapons of mass destruction at some time in the future.

"[Saddam] wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction when sanctions were lifted," a summary of the report says.

Duelfer, testifying at a Senate hearing on the report, said his account attempts to describe Iraq's weapons programs "not in isolation but in the context of the aims and objectives of the regime that created and used them.

"I also have insisted that the report include as much basic data as reasonable and that it be unclassified, since the tragedy that has been Iraq has exacted such a huge cost for so many for so long," Duelfer said.

The report was released nearly two years ago to the day that President Bush strode onto a stage in Cincinnati and told the audience that Saddam Hussein's Iraq "possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons" and "it is seeking nuclear weapons."

"The danger is already significant and it only grows worse with time," Bush said in the speech delivered October 7, 2002. "If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today -- and we do -- does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?"

Speaking on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, Bush maintained Wednesday that the war was the right thing to do and that Iraq stood out as a place where terrorists might get weapons of mass destruction.

"There was a risk, a real risk, that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons or materials or information to terrorist networks, and in the world after September the 11th, that was a risk we could not afford to take," Bush said.

But Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, seized on the report as political ammunition against the Bush administration.

"Despite the efforts to focus on Saddam's desires and intentions, the bottom line is Iraq did not have either weapon stockpiles or active production capabilities at the time of the war," Rockefeller said in a press release.

"The report does further document Saddam's attempts to deceive the world and get out from under the sanctions, but the fact remains, the sanctions combined with inspections were working and Saddam was restrained."

But British Prime Minister Tony Blair had just the opposite take on the information in the report, saying it demonstrated the U.N. sanctions were not working and Saddam was "doing his best" to get around them.

He said the report made clear that there was "every intention" on Saddam's part to develop WMD and he "never had any intention of complying with U.N. resolutions."

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee Wednesday, panel Chairman John Warner, R-Virginia, called the findings "significant."

"While the ISG has not found stockpiles of WMD, the ISG and other coalition elements have developed a body of fact that shows that Saddam Hussein had, first, the strategic intention to continue to pursue WMD capabilities; two, created ambiguity about his WMD capabilities that he used to extract concessions in the international world of disclosure and discussion and negotiation.

"He used it as a bargaining tactic and as a strategic deterrent against his neighbors and others."

"As we speak, over 1,700 individuals -- military and civilian -- are in Iraq and Qatar, continuing to search for facts about Iraq's WMD programs," Warner said.

But Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, ranking Democrat on the committee, said 1,750 experts have visited 1,200 potential WMD sites, and have come up empty-handed.

"It is important to emphasize that central fact because the administration's case for going to war against Iraq rested on the twin arguments that Saddam Hussein had existing stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and that he might give weapons of mass destruction to al Qaeda to attack us -- as al Qaeda had attacked us on 9/11," Levin said.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, asked Duelfer about the future likelihood of finding weapons of mass destruction, to which Duelfer replied, "The chance of finding a significant stockpile is less than 5 percent."

Based in part on interviews with Saddam, the report concludes that the deposed Iraqi president wanted to acquire weapons of mass destruction because he believed they kept the United States from going all the way to Baghdad during the first Gulf War and stopped an Iranian ground offensive during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, senior administration officials said.

U.S. officials said the Duelfer report is "comprehensive," but they are not calling it a "final report" because there are still some loose ends to tie up.

One outstanding issue, an official said, is whether Iraq shipped any stockpiles of weapons outside of the country. Another issue, he said, is mobile biological weapons labs, a matter on which he said "there is still useful work to do."

Duelfer said Wednesday his teams found no evidence of a mobile biological weapons capability.

The U.S. official said he believes Saddam decided to give up his weapons in 1991, but tried to conceal his nuclear and biological programs for as long as possible. Then in 1995, when his son-in-law Hussain Kamal defected with information about the programs, he gave those up, too.

Iraq's nuclear program, which in 1991 was well-advanced, "was decaying" by 2001, the official said, to the point where Iraq was -- if it even could restart the program -- "many years from a bomb."

So where do we go from here?
 

EXman

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You are aware that Saddam had them and used them right? Do you need pictures? Since he could not show us that he destroyed them it was not illogical that he still had some.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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I hear Bush used to drink like a fish and dabble in the nose candy. In the absence of monthly urine drug screen results from 1968-2004 . . . I say he's still loaded.
 

Train

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jesus, inst this breaking news for like the 10th time over the past year? or wait, this is the FINAL conclusion?, which follows the pre-FINAL report that followed the pre-post-FINAL-pre-Final Draft FINAL?

newsflash: no one cares

Like this news coming out now is gonna change anyones mind, like every Bush supporter is gonna be surprised and jump ship.

"omg, what, you mean there were no WMD? holy crap, thats it! im voting for Kerry!"

Believe it or not, some poeple just might have more important issues on thier minds.
 

Infohawk

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Jan 12, 2002
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CadsortaGuy said Iraq had WMDs. I'd like to see him deal with this article.

All of you Bush apologists were screaming and hollering about the WMDs back when the war was starting. Now it's no big deal right? Talk about a flip-flop. How can we take you seriously when you change your minds so often about what is important.
 

Aimster

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Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: EXman
You are aware that Saddam had them and used them right? Do you need pictures? Since he could not show us that he destroyed them it was not illogical that he still had some.

We know he had them. What we blammed him was also blammed on the Iranians a few months back. Iran could have used them on the kurds. I haven't heard anything about it in the media since. Saddam used them right after the gulf war against the Iraqis who were trying to takeover. After that there is no solid evidence that he ever used them again.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: EXman
You are aware that Saddam had them and used them right? Do you need pictures? Since he could not show us that he destroyed them it was not illogical that he still had some.

Had them and used them (when was the last time? 15 years ago?)

How long will you continue to spout lies that Saddam still had them?
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Train
jesus, inst this breaking news for like the 10th time over the past year? or wait, this is the FINAL conclusion?, which follows the pre-FINAL report that followed the pre-post-FINAL-pre-Final Draft FINAL?

newsflash: no one cares

Like this news coming out now is gonna change anyones mind, like every Bush supporter is gonna be surprised and jump ship.

"omg, what, you mean there were no WMD? holy crap, thats it! im voting for Kerry!"

Believe it or not, some poeple just might have more important issues on thier minds.
On the contrary, while the Bush apologists wish no one cares, they are deluding themselves. There are tens of thousands of dead people due to, at best, poor decisions by the Bush administration. America is bogged down in a costly war, in lives, in dollars, in the respect of the rest of the world. There's little that's more important than that.

Based on the many recent revelations, many people who once gave Bush & Co. the benefit of the doubt are now deciding they lied. Many people are realizing they were duped. People don't like being duped. They want to be able to believe the President when he talks. They want to have confidence in his honesty and integrity.

This final report is quite damning to Bush. It will cost him support. Maybe enough.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
CadsortaGuy said Iraq had WMDs. I'd like to see him deal with this article.

All of you Bush apologists were screaming and hollering about the WMDs back when the war was starting. Now it's no big deal right? Talk about a flip-flop. How can we take you seriously when you change your minds so often about what is important.

They did have WMDs no matter what you try to claim. Ofcourse you'll never admit that I am correct because you don't accept anything that happened earlier than last week. Saddam had and used WMDs and for you to claim he didn't is laughable.
Oh, and according to this "report" - Saddam's WMDs were mostly destroyed in 1991. Then why exactly did it take us this long to find out? Ooops - that's right. Saddam didn't follow through on his end of the cease-fire agreement. Bah, the Saddam apologists/ blame America crowd won't ever fully understand this issue so it's almost useless to try to educate them.

CsG
 

Steeplerot

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Hooooold the liiiiiiine CaD!!!!!
*cues in the sound of splashing noises all around him*
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
CadsortaGuy said Iraq had WMDs. I'd like to see him deal with this article.

All of you Bush apologists were screaming and hollering about the WMDs back when the war was starting. Now it's no big deal right? Talk about a flip-flop. How can we take you seriously when you change your minds so often about what is important.

They did have WMDs no matter what you try to claim. Ofcourse you'll never admit that I am correct because you don't accept anything that happened earlier than last week. Saddam had and used WMDs and for you to claim he didn't is laughable.
Oh, and according to this "report" - Saddam's WMDs were mostly destroyed in 1991. Then why exactly did it take us this long to find out? Ooops - that's right. Saddam didn't follow through on his end of the cease-fire agreement. Bah, the Saddam apologists/ blame America crowd won't ever fully understand this issue so it's almost useless to try to educate them.

CsG

Who gave them the WMDs? If I give someone poison to kill his neighbor am I not held responsible as well? If the U.S gave them to him during the Persian-Arab war then the U.S wanted him to use it. We cannot blame Saddam for using those weapons during that war if we were the ones who gave him the weapons.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
CadsortaGuy said Iraq had WMDs. I'd like to see him deal with this article.

All of you Bush apologists were screaming and hollering about the WMDs back when the war was starting. Now it's no big deal right? Talk about a flip-flop. How can we take you seriously when you change your minds so often about what is important.

They did have WMDs no matter what you try to claim. Ofcourse you'll never admit that I am correct because you don't accept anything that happened earlier than last week. Saddam had and used WMDs and for you to claim he didn't is laughable.
Oh, and according to this "report" - Saddam's WMDs were mostly destroyed in 1991. Then why exactly did it take us this long to find out? Ooops - that's right. Saddam didn't follow through on his end of the cease-fire agreement. Bah, the Saddam apologists/ blame America crowd won't ever fully understand this issue so it's almost useless to try to educate them.

CsG


You're missing the point. He had no WMDs when the war started. He hadn't had them for a long time... Sure, he had the WMDs that we let him use in the 80s. But that wasn't the issue when the war started. Be honest with yourself.
 

Kadarin

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He didn't have them? Well damn... we need to apologize and put him back in power...
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
CadsortaGuy said Iraq had WMDs. I'd like to see him deal with this article.

All of you Bush apologists were screaming and hollering about the WMDs back when the war was starting. Now it's no big deal right? Talk about a flip-flop. How can we take you seriously when you change your minds so often about what is important.

They did have WMDs no matter what you try to claim. Ofcourse you'll never admit that I am correct because you don't accept anything that happened earlier than last week. Saddam had and used WMDs and for you to claim he didn't is laughable.
Oh, and according to this "report" - Saddam's WMDs were mostly destroyed in 1991. Then why exactly did it take us this long to find out? Ooops - that's right. Saddam didn't follow through on his end of the cease-fire agreement. Bah, the Saddam apologists/ blame America crowd won't ever fully understand this issue so it's almost useless to try to educate them.

CsG

Because the intelligence was cooked up by the PNAC neocons. How many times do we have to show this??

And, Kay, Blix, Duelfer, et al have said there are no WMDs, that the WMDs and the capability to produce them has been gone for years.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
CadsortaGuy said Iraq had WMDs. I'd like to see him deal with this article.

All of you Bush apologists were screaming and hollering about the WMDs back when the war was starting. Now it's no big deal right? Talk about a flip-flop. How can we take you seriously when you change your minds so often about what is important.

They did have WMDs no matter what you try to claim. Ofcourse you'll never admit that I am correct because you don't accept anything that happened earlier than last week. Saddam had and used WMDs and for you to claim he didn't is laughable.
Oh, and according to this "report" - Saddam's WMDs were mostly destroyed in 1991. Then why exactly did it take us this long to find out? Ooops - that's right. Saddam didn't follow through on his end of the cease-fire agreement. Bah, the Saddam apologists/ blame America crowd won't ever fully understand this issue so it's almost useless to try to educate them.

CsG


You're missing the point. He had no WMDs when the war started. He hadn't had them for a long time... Sure, he had the WMDs that we let him use in the 80s. But that wasn't the issue when the war started. Be honest with yourself.

No, I'm quite positive you are the one who has missed the point. Try re-reading my post and figure out what point you missed.

CsG
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
Because the intelligence was cooked up by the PNAC neocons. How many times do we have to show this??

And, Kay, Blix, Duelfer, et al have said there are no WMDs, that the WMDs and the capability to produce them has been gone for years.

PNAC :roll: Put your tinfoil pipe down conjur.

CsG
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
CadsortaGuy said Iraq had WMDs. I'd like to see him deal with this article.

All of you Bush apologists were screaming and hollering about the WMDs back when the war was starting. Now it's no big deal right? Talk about a flip-flop. How can we take you seriously when you change your minds so often about what is important.

They did have WMDs no matter what you try to claim. Ofcourse you'll never admit that I am correct because you don't accept anything that happened earlier than last week. Saddam had and used WMDs and for you to claim he didn't is laughable.
Oh, and according to this "report" - Saddam's WMDs were mostly destroyed in 1991. Then why exactly did it take us this long to find out? Ooops - that's right. Saddam didn't follow through on his end of the cease-fire agreement. Bah, the Saddam apologists/ blame America crowd won't ever fully understand this issue so it's almost useless to try to educate them.

CsG
There's that old diversion again. "Well yeah, but he had them once. Sure, he didn't have 'em in 2003 when we invaded because of the 'massive stockpiles' and the 'mushroom cloud' that 'we know where they are.' Sure, we'd discovered that if we hadn't rushed to invade. So what? Trifling details, just dates on a calendar. Kill 'em all, I say. Bunch of heathens anyway. I'm sure those thousands of dead children were all guilty of something. George talks to God, so it's all good."
 

Gaard

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Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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I have come to the conclusion ckg is insane. Yes, insane. Faced with official proof that WMDs didn't exist when the war started, he is resorting to pure and simple denial. No reasons, no nothing except denial. Frightening.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: steeplerot


So where do we go from here?


One of the other two names that are on the axis of evil list. Probably Iran. I have heard compelling statements, recently that would lead me to believe that they are the next country that we will invade in our on-going quest to avenge the 9/11 event.

And just like the run up to the Iraq invasion, there are many, many, people that believe Iran is the big Kahunah and they will devote their unwavering support to the cause. :thumbsup:

But just like Iraq, they will not be able to stomach the reality of their decisions. Ultimately, they will withdraw their support for a number of different stated reasons, but subconsciously, It will only be to fix the blame of the finality of their own decisions upon other individual(s). :( :thumbsdown:

But hey, steeplerot, don't worry your pretty little head about it. :p

We have broad shoulders and just like with Iraq,,,,,,,, We have your back :gift:
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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And where will the troops come from to invade Iran?

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz working up plans for a Droid Army?
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: steeplerot


So where do we go from here?


One of the other two names that are on the axis of evil list. Probably Iran. I have heard compelling statements, recently that would lead me to believe that they are the next country that we will invade in our on-going quest to avenge the 9/11 event.

And just like the run up to the Iraq invasion, there are many, many, people that believe Iran is the big Kahunah and they will devote their unwavering support to the cause. :thumbsup:

But just like Iraq, they will not be able to stomach the reality of their decisions. Ultimately, they will withdraw their support for a number of different stated reasons, but subconsciously, It will only be to fix the blame of the finality of their own decisions upon other individual(s). :( :thumbsdown:

But hey, steeplerot, don't worry your pretty little head about it. :p

We have broad shoulders and just like with Iraq,,,,,,,, We have your back :gift:


How would attacking Iran avenge 9/11? Do you want to attack anyone with dark skin since dark skinned men attacked us?

PS. Have you ever been to DC or NY? You criticize blue areas so often and then when we're attacked you want to kill people in our name? Please.