Christopher Columbus.

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Dan

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1. Let's stop calling them "Native Americans." American Indians just happened to arrive in the Americas before Erikson or Columbus.

2. Over the past 200+ years American Indians have suffered greatly at the hands of subsequent immigrants.

3. Their suffering continues today. IMHO, the greatest benefit our government could extend to them is to end the reservation system which, de facto insures that they remain second class citizens.
 

EmperorNero

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2) your point? you need to clarify on what "immigrants" you're talking about. the french/spanish/etc in colonial times? secondly, does cruelty of those immigrants automatically exempt the U.S. from any atrocities? let me refresh your memory:

- yamasee war: the yamasee and creek indians owed a debt to the colonists. so in turn, the colonists abducted women and children and sold them into slavery.

- paxton boys: initially, 57 settlers from paxton, pennsylvania rode into a conestoga indian village and killed about 15 peaceful indians. a second offense pursued. this time, the "paxton boys" killed the remaining conestoga indians.

- french and indian war: one of underlying causes was the blatant stealing of indian land by william penn's son.

- battle of little bighorn: with the discovery of gold near the black hills - where the sioux indians lived - settlers decided to claim the land and gold for themselves and started pushing the indians out. outraged by the indian's refusal to get the hell out to make room for the white guys so they can steal indian land, custer decided to strike. oh, but general cluster was killed so the attack was rightly justified, right?

- wounded knee massacre: u.s. army killed sitting bull and thirteen of his followers and the rest of the indians fled. after being chased down by the 7th cavalry, between 150 to 370 sioux indians were killed.

- the infamous trail of tears: cherokees were forced out of their homeland to a dry and desolate land in oklahoma called "indian territory." 4000 died on that little death march we call the trail of tears.

the atrocities listed above were just a handful of the many inflicted on the native americans. no matter how much euphamism or excuse you try to use, the treatment of native americans will speak for itself.

3) that statement made me wonder if you were truly sincere or just said that because you would like to keep more of your tax money.
 

The Wildcard

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When i was a kid, we learned that Christopher columbus was an explorer who was the first who sailed to america to prove to the world that the it wasn't flat.

Then i learned about his treatement of the indians, and the real reason behind his exploration cuz of profit, and i just dunno what to think anymore.