Christmas trees make non christians feel insecure...

Braznor

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What bullshit! Whats the point of study of such drivel and to what purpose?

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40709376/ns/health-behavior/

Christmas trees bum non-Christians out, study shows

Even an unspoken reminder of the holiday made some feel subtly excluded







Here's a new twist to the annual "War on Christmas" debate: Reminders of Christmas can make religious minorities feel ill at ease — even if they don't realize it.



When people who did not celebrate Christmas or who did not identify as Christian filled out surveys about their moods while in the same room as a small Christmas tree, they reported less self-assurance and fewer positive feelings than if they hadn't been reminded of the holiday, according to a new study.



The university students didn't know the study was about Christmas, said study researcher Michael Schmitt, a social psychologist at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, Canada. Nonetheless, he said, the presence of the tree caused non-celebrators and non-Christians to feel subtly excluded.

"Simply having this 12-inch Christmas tree in the room with them made them feel less included in the university as a whole, which to me is a pretty powerful effect from one 12-inch Christmas tree in one psychology lab," Schmitt told LiveScience.



The researchers reported their results in November in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.



Oh, Christmas tree …


Schmitt, who celebrates Christmas, was motivated to do the study by the now-yearly debates over Christmas decorations in public spaces. As a social psychologist, he said, it occurred to him that he could provide data on the effect of decorations, "rather than people just sort of speculating."
Previous studies have shown that the environment can have significant effects on people's moods and preferences. In one 2009 study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, researchers found that women report less interest in computer science after being exposed to stereotypically masculine, "geeky" rooms.

Schmitt and his colleagues took a similar approach to the Christmas study. They asked participants to fill out surveys about themselves while sitting in either a nondescript room or a room with a small Christmas tree. [Read: Christmas Eel Makes Tree Lights Electric ]



In the first study, the researchers recruited student volunteers who had answered questions months earlier about which holidays they celebrated. Thirty Christmas celebrators and 22 non-celebrators took part in the study, which occurred around Christmastime.
The researchers then repeated the study with 16 Buddhist students, 19 Sikh students and 47 Christian students.



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In both versions of the study, the Christmas tree failed to spread holiday cheer equally. Non-celebrators reported fewer positive feelings and less self-assurance in the Christmas room. Christians and celebrators, on the other hand, were mostly cheered by the tree, with one exception: Celebrators reported feeling more guilt when they were in the Christmas room. That finding suggests that even for Christmas-lovers, the holiday can be stressful, Schmitt said.



The religious minorities and non-celebrators weren't looking to be offended by reminders of Christmas, the study found. After the surveys, the researchers explained the goal of the experiment to the volunteers and asked each of them how they thought the presence of the tree might affect their mood. There was no difference between the responses of Christians and non-Christians or celebrators and non-celebrators. All thought Christmas decorations would make them happier.



"Maybe it's a subtle effect, and they weren't really aware that the tree is affecting them," Schmitt said. They may also be embarrassed or unwilling to admit that a Christmas tree could make them grumpy, he said.

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Schmitt emphasizes that he's not interested in being the Grinch who stole Christmas. Still, he said, the majority should take a closer look at how its symbols affect minorities.



"I don't think it's really going to undermine anyone's experience of Christmas to tone it down," he said. "We're not suggesting 'no Christmas' or 'no Christmas displays at all,' but in contexts where we really do value respecting and including diversity in terms of religion, the safest option is not to have these kinds of displays."



Another option is to include other religious traditions in holiday displays, Schmitt said. The researchers didn't investigate the effect of minority religious symbols on people in the majority; however, they wrote, previous research suggests that because these symbols are less frequent and less symbolic of the culture at large, the effect should be minimal.



Schmitt said he's used to getting negative reactions to the study.



"I understand why it might feel threatening to people," he said. "But I think if people do care about making a whole range of different kinds of people in our increasingly diverse society feel included and respected, then we can make some small changes… that would go a long way toward creating a more multicultural or inclusive society."
 

Binarycow

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if they are uncomfortable in the same room with a christmas tree they can always leave (the US, not the room).
 

kage69

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People consider a balsam fir with lights on it a christian symbol? News to me.
 

Chaotic42

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Christmas is about as non-offensive as a religious holiday can get. If I can get presents, parties, food, and a day off for a religious holiday, is it that really that bad? Bring on the Zoroastrian festival with pistachio nog and yak rolls or whatever the hell they party with.

Still, ultimately, the majority of the US celebrates Christmas. I don't think you can ask Americans to be less offensive about Christmas than we already are. Maybe I'm wrong.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Cry me a river. The day religion is extinct is the day the world will be a better place.
 

IGBT

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all trees are potential Christmas trees. They must be in a cold sweat 24/7.
 

Throckmorton

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The problem is people are too ignorant to understand that the Christmas tree is not a religious symbol but a secular one. There's no reason atheists (like me), Jews, universalist unitarians, and Buddhists shouldn't have trees. Probably not Muslims because the Koran probably prohibits decorations.
 

Throckmorton

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I guess Americans don't share holidays. In Trinidad, we would celebrate every holiday we could. We put up diyas on Divali, went to Eid parties, etc. Hindus and Muslims put up Christmas trees too. It never occurred to me that anybody wouldn't because they weren't Christian.

Participating in secular celebrations of a holiday doesn't mean you have to believe in the religion. Trees and presents have nothing to do with Jesus!! Jews with "Hanukka Bushes" have the right idea.

America needs to be more of a melting pot and people need to stop being religiously insulated little babies. You aren't going to hell if you're a Christian and you eat some delicious Muslim treats on Eid. You aren't going non-heaven if you're Jewish and you give your kids presents on 12/25.
 
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Kadarin

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It doesn't matter what religious veneer you paste over the occasion, the holiday in the northern hemisphere celebrates Winter Solstice.
 

Chaotic42

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I guess Americans don't share holidays. In Trinidad, we would celebrate every holiday we could. We put up diyas on Divali, went to Eid parties, etc. Hindus and Muslims put up Christmas trees too. It never occurred to me that anybody wouldn't because they weren't Christian.

Participating in secular celebrations of a holiday doesn't mean you have to believe in the religion. Trees and presents have nothing to do with Jesus!! Jews with "Hanukka Bushes" have the right idea.

America needs to be more of a melting pot and people need to stop being religiously insulated little babies. You aren't going to hell if you're a Christian and you eat some delicious Muslim treats on Eid. You aren't going non-heaven if you're Jewish and you give your kids presents on 12/25.

Well, we have Almost 80% of our population identifying themselves as Christian. In T&T it's under 50%. That's a huge difference. I guess it's an example of a super-majority mindset.
 

Jaskalas

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Christmas is about as non-offensive as a religious holiday can get. If I can get presents, parties, food, and a day off for a religious holiday, is it that really that bad? Bring on the Zoroastrian festival with pistachio nog and yak rolls or whatever the hell they party with.

Still, ultimately, the majority of the US celebrates Christmas. I don't think you can ask Americans to be less offensive about Christmas than we already are. Maybe I'm wrong.

Of course you can. You can tell Americans they cannot celebrate Christmas.

Of course you don't just come out and say it, or enforce it as black and white. Instead you beat around the bush, curtail its sayings and greetings, and prohibit where trees, symbols, and festivities go. You place limitations and circle the wagons around it first.

THEN after you've restricted it so much as to lose both its luster and its meaning, no one will be alive who still remembers or cares when you outright ban the 'fringe religious' celebration later.

Happy Holidays! ():)
 

MarkXIX

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People that worry about something like a Christmas tree or state that it makes them feel bad are fucking morons.

If you're like me and you simply DO NOT believe in ANY God, you really stop giving a fuck when someone puts up a religious symbol and worships it. It's their business and short of someone strapping me to a cross and driving nails through my hands and feet, or stoning me somewhere in the Middle East, I could give a shit about religion because I don't believe in it.
 

ThatsABigOne

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I am a Christian, but whoever believes such things, disparaging non christians is outrageous.
 

ericlp

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Christmas tree's and Christmas itself has no relation to the christains. Christmas is/was a pagan holiday period. Jesus was not born anywhere NEAR xmas. It's just way for stupid religious freaks to fuck up another holiday.
 

ShawnD1

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Fucking spruce trees. I always knew it was them and the jews out to destroy us all.


the holiday in the northern hemisphere celebrates Winter Solstice.
Pretty much this. I don't know anyone who seriously believes in religion, but we still get together and share gifts. People who are offended by plants should kill themselves already.
 

FaaR

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People need to realize they're not living in a cultural vacuum, and stop getting offended for no logical reason over other peoples' customs.

If you're being subjected to something actively offensive (like, someone screaming abuse at you for example) that's one thing, but just living in a city that has christmas trees on display is NOT a valid reason to get offended. That's merely being stupid and narrow-minded.

I blame religion, it tends to turn people into idiots. That's what happens when you take a book written centuries or millennia ago by superstitious ignoramuses too seriously.
 

ShawnD1

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People need to realize they're not living in a cultural vacuum, and stop getting offended for no logical reason over other peoples' customs.
I am so utterly offended by Jewish menorah candles that I set them on fire

For serious, I found it offensive when I heard a christmas tree called a "holiday tree." That's like calling a menorah a holiday candle. I'm not even Jewish but I promise I'll flip out and make a huge scene when someone does call it a holiday candle. You know it will eventually happen.