I'm probably heading off to sleep too, but one final post.
First-I have no idea about the trials. If in fact there were 6 (I've never learned about this in a historical context), I could see how people could say the Jews "killed" him. Though in truth, I find it difficult to believe that the sanhedrein would put forth a bogus trial like that. I know, that comes off sounding like I'm saying "I can't believe something I've learned about my religion could be wrong". Truth is, I can't help that. I know there are people in any religion that don't follow the norm, but an entire sanhedrein!? I'd like some proof of that (and some time to ask a rabbi, who would be more knowledgable than I am, to refute).
As for the pope's speech-to me, he's saying that the Jews can net be held at fault for Jesus' death-I'm not sure, but that would seem to contradict the idea of the trials...Though I recognize that he could have referred to the actual, physical death-Again, I'll leave that one alone for now, until I can learn about the historical context from someone more knowledgable than myself.
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Of course I will do that. I believe that quoting the source is important, which is why I made it clear that I was quoting from a book summarizing jewish beliefs and culture. Overall, I do believe in Judaism, and, when in doubt, there are many leaders (rabbis) in the community that I can turn to for advice. I was merely curious as to how christianity teaches this rather difficult topic-and, as I stated in my original post, I just wondered whether current doctrine teaches "blaming" the Jews for Jesus' death. In stating that the Jews did not kill jesus but may have a moral responsibility for his death, you have answered my original question. I appreciate that.
First-I have no idea about the trials. If in fact there were 6 (I've never learned about this in a historical context), I could see how people could say the Jews "killed" him. Though in truth, I find it difficult to believe that the sanhedrein would put forth a bogus trial like that. I know, that comes off sounding like I'm saying "I can't believe something I've learned about my religion could be wrong". Truth is, I can't help that. I know there are people in any religion that don't follow the norm, but an entire sanhedrein!? I'd like some proof of that (and some time to ask a rabbi, who would be more knowledgable than I am, to refute).
As for the pope's speech-to me, he's saying that the Jews can net be held at fault for Jesus' death-I'm not sure, but that would seem to contradict the idea of the trials...Though I recognize that he could have referred to the actual, physical death-Again, I'll leave that one alone for now, until I can learn about the historical context from someone more knowledgable than myself.
<< When getting information always take the source into consideration >>
Of course I will do that. I believe that quoting the source is important, which is why I made it clear that I was quoting from a book summarizing jewish beliefs and culture. Overall, I do believe in Judaism, and, when in doubt, there are many leaders (rabbis) in the community that I can turn to for advice. I was merely curious as to how christianity teaches this rather difficult topic-and, as I stated in my original post, I just wondered whether current doctrine teaches "blaming" the Jews for Jesus' death. In stating that the Jews did not kill jesus but may have a moral responsibility for his death, you have answered my original question. I appreciate that.
Aw, geez Bober, I come here to get away from school and you have to bring in the arithmitic. What's the deal? Hehe. I agree with you, but that equation just doesn't fit the analogy of the two in my opinion. Mabey it's because its 1:30 and I need to get up in 5 hours for school? I don't know. Anyone hear of the Hovind Theory? I doubt if you have. I'll see if I can find a copy and paste it here, otherwise I'll have to type it out longhand, which would be quite lengthy considering its complexity. Expect it by Thursday. A good night to all...
Woohoo, I found it! Possible explanation for many, many things Christians haven't had answeres for. Again, a theory so its not provable, but it is a logical way to look at it.
The Hovind Theory
What about pangaea? Were the continents ever connected? Maybe you were taught in school that it is a proven fact that the continents were connected at some point in time. School children are still being taught this theory. The only evidence to support this theory is that Africa and South America look as if they would fit together. Although the shapes give the appearance they could fit together, it is pure coincidence, based upon the water level. If you raise or lower the oceans, the shapes of the continents change. I could tell you that your home is perfectly parallel to Hardee's right down the highway. If you move two buildings together that perfectly fit side by side this must prove that they broke apart 80 million years ago when the highway oozed up between them. Shapes fitting together as a jigsaw puzzle does not mean anything. If you look at a map of the earth's crust, you will see many different mountain ranges and plateaus. The appearance of the land would drastically change if the oceans were not as deep. The second evidence that is given for pangaea is the idea that the continents are drifting. There is a little movement, but that doesn't prove that it has been happening for millions of years. It could have started one hundred years ago. Until recently, we haven't had the technology to measure such movement. Another fact given to back up their theory is that there are similar fossils on each continent. Africa and South America have the same kinds of fossils. This is true, but it still doesn't prove that they were ever joined together.
Many times there are two ways to look at things. Don't forget the farmer back in chapter four. It might be that there was a world-wide flood, and the dead animals floated all over the place and then settled down as the water level subsided. Camels have been found at the North Pole. That doesn't prove that the North Pole was at the equator in times past. It might prove that there was a flood that floated these animals up to the North Pole. There might be another way of looking at things. Therefore pangaea is a far cry from a proven fact.
Evolutionists ask, "What about the ice age? Isn't it obvious that glaciers came all the way down to Kansas City, Missouri?" Yes, it's pretty obvious. I have flown over many of these areas. I have studied the Terminal Moraines, the Lateral Moraines, the Drumlins, the Kettle Lake, and the Canadian Shields. There was an ice age, but it wasn't hundreds of thousands of years ago. Later in this chapter, we discuss how the ice age fits into Scripture.
Another question the evolutionists ask is, "What about the mammoth? You know, those big huge hairy elephants." By the way, many mammoths are found frozen standing straight up (figure 5-1). Some people are somewhat confused about the mammoth. Not only are they found standing up; they suffocated, which means they didn't drown. They were frozen so fast that the food in their stomach and teeth is still fresh. The food is still green as if they just ate it! Not only that, the food is tropical food, buttercups, etc. Buttercups at the North Pole? It is estimated that there are over five million mammoths still frozen around the north polar region. People have been known to dig them up just for their ivory tusks.
A gentleman from Waterloo, Ontario told me, "Brother Hovind, my dad lived at the north slope of Alaska, and he ate mammoth meat. They dug one out of the ground, cut the meat off, and ate it. They said it tasted like roast beef and it was still as fresh as the day it was killed."
A lot of people have been curious about what happened to the mammoths. Another friend of mine who works on an oil rig lives on the north slope of Barrow, Alaska. He sent me a very fragile piece of frozen wood. They had drilled down under 1,200 feet of permafrost and brought up a piece of freeze-dried wood. As they were drilling, they drilled through several hundred feet of wood. A forest is buried under 1,200 feet. What happened to the forest? How did it get down there? Baron Toll, the Arctic explorer, found a frozen, ninety-foot tall plumb tree on the New Siberian Island, which is 600 miles north of the Arctic Circle. This tree still had huge plumbs and leaves on it.
Mammoths do not have any sweat glands. They were not designed for cold climates. You may ask, "What about their long hair, doesn't that prove they lived in cold climates?" No. Before the flood, there was no cold climates in the world. It was seventy-five degrees from pole-to-pole. The temperature was perfect everywhere. The mammoths' long hair would be neither a help nor a hindrance if it were seventy-five degrees. A lot of animals that live in the jungle have real thick, dense hair. Hair might be an insulator from the heat. The mammoths were not designed to live in cold climates, in spite of their long hair. Mammoths are not the only frozen animals being found. Bobcats, jaguar, lynx, and camels, among others, have been found frozen around the north polar region.
I was curious about these findings, especially about the mammoth. How do you freeze a mammoth? I called all sorts of people such as the Bird's Eye Frozen Food people in New York. I figured since they supply us fresh frozen foods, they should know something about freezing meats. I talked with a physicist and people in the meat packing houses, and asked each of them the same question: "If you stuck an elephant in a freezer, what would happen?" They said, "Well, you would have a crowded freezer." I asked, "How long would it take to freeze an elephant?" The mammoth is the same size as an elephant except for having thirty-inch long hair all over his body. These scientists said, "In order to freeze a mammoth so fast that the food in his stomach would still be fresh, you would have to have something much colder than a normal freezer." A normal packaging house freezes meat at zero degrees. It takes about twenty-four hours to freeze twelve inches of meat. If you have ever frozen or thawed out a large chunk of meat such as a turkey, you know that it takes about twenty-four hours to freeze or thaw the meat. In order to freeze the mammoth so fast that his stomach contents are frozen before they rot, you would have to freeze them within three to four hours. Scientists who have studied this issue concluded that it would take about five days to freeze a mammoth in a freezer. How do you freeze one in three hours? The only way to freeze him in three hours is to dip him in something much colder, like liquid nitrogen, which is 300 degrees below zero. It never gets 300 degrees below zero on earth. The coldest recorded temperature was 127 degrees below zero. Where are you going to get something 300 degrees below zero to freeze five million mammoths, some of them standing up? They are not mangled as if they were run over or something. They didn't drown or become smashed by a glacier. What happened to them? Keep this thought in mind -- it takes something about 300 degrees below zero to accomplish this feat. First, it is important that you are aware of several different scientific facts to prepare you; then, I will share with you the Hovind Theory how I think it happened.
I cannot prove my theory to anyone -- it is just a theory. I will provide a model as food for thought and then you decide whether you think it is feasible.
Inverse Square Law
The second thing that you need to keep in mind, in addition to the low temperature required to freeze the mammoths with stomach contents still undigested, is a law in science known as the Inverse Square Law. The Inverse Square Law states: "If two objects are attracted to each other, like two magnets, or the earth and the moon, by gravity pulling them together, the force of attraction between those objects is directly proportional, or is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them." In English, that means, if you half the distance, you quadruple the attraction. If you narrow the distance between two attracted objects to one third of the original distance, there would be nine times the original amount of attraction. The formula would be one over the distance squared. The closer that they get, the strong the pull becomes. The Inverse Square Law applies when dealing with several things such as gravity, magnetism, light, and girls. You see, when you half the distance the attraction is quadrupled. Many fellows have not understood that until it was too late. When you are a certain distance away, you may say, "Oh wow! She's pretty." When you are half the distance, you are now four times as attracted. When you half the distance again, you are now sixteen times as attracted. Eventually, like two strong magnets they reach a point where you cannot keep them apart. It is safer to stay about ten feet away and that solves most of the problems.
The next thing to keep in mind is that when a top is spinning, it maintains an equal equilibrium. When it is bumped from the outside, it will wobble for a while, but it will recover and spin smoothly at a new angle. If you graft out the number of degrees the top went over and the number of degrees it came back, it follows a definite curve called the recovery cure of a spinning top struck by an outside object. Wow! I wonder how they come up with that name?
It has been observed that, apparently, the earth has wobbled throughout time. The North Pole has wandered around. The recovery path of the spinning top is the same as the path the earth has followed. The earth has wobbled so many degrees and has come back, wobbled, come back, and so on. It is now leaning over. They can tell buy by looking at temples around the world such as Stonehenge, Eudozus, and Amen-Ra. These different temples were built to worship the sun at Summer Solstice on June 21, when the sun is as high above the equator as it gets. These buildings are at different angles today and no longer line up with the sun.
Some people, such as George Dodwell, have conducted research on this subject and have concluded that the earth must have been struck by something about 4,400 years ago. About 2,300 BC the earth was stuck by an outside object. Today, the earth is leaning over about twenty-three and one half degrees, which is what causes our seasons. By the way, the seasons as far as spring, winter, and harvest, are not mentioned in the Bible until after the flood. Genesis 8:22 is the first mention of cold weather. They didn't have any cold weather in the Garden of Eden. The pre-flood world had perfect temperature all year long. The earth may have been spinning without being tilted in its orbit around the sun. They may have always had twelve hours of daylight and twelve hours of darkness, which means they would not need a watch. They always knew what time it was by looking at the sun because it would always be in the same spot at the same time every day. There were also no seasons, and the earth's magnetic field was much stronger back in those days. The magnetic field is getting weaker and weaker with time. It was probably twenty times stronger in Adam and Eve's day. If the magnetic fields were twenty times stronger, man has enough iron in his body to be able to feel which way is north. We could be our own compass, which means we would never become lost. Adam and Eve never knew what is was like to have that disoriented feeling of not knowing where they were. God designed the original creation to take care of all the problems that we have today. All the anxieties that we have were unknown to them. They didn't have to worry about utility bills. They didn't have to worry about going to the grocery store. All their food was growing all around them. They didn't pay rent. They didn't need a house. There was no need to be protected from the elements because there were no storms, or bad weather. Insects wouldn't bite. They didn't have to worry about mosquitoes. Everything was vegetarian according to Genesis 1:30. All the animals were friendly. It was an unbelievable paradise. That is what the world started off to be like until sin messed it up.
Another factor to keep in mind is that there are comets (figure 5-3) that fly around in space. Most comets are extremely cold snowballs, while some are rocks and iron. The reason God made snow is so you can pack it into a ball and throw it at somebody. If you throw a snowball too fast it will break apart. Instead of hitting in one piece it will come apart. If you freeze a ball of water to make a frozen cannon ball and you roll it down the barrel of a cannon and light the fuse, it will turn back into a puff of snow before it exits the barrel. At a certain velocity, it will come unglued. Ice in space is extremely cold. The temperature in outer space ranges from 300 to 400 degrees below zero, and some estimates are as high as 450 degrees below zero. Negative 459.6 degrees below zero is absolute zero. Many of the comets flying around space are about 300 degrees below zero. These are real cold snowballs.
The Hovind Theory
This is my theory, which I call The Hovind Theory. I believe that Noah was building the ark because God had warned him that he would destroy the world in 120 years. As Noah was building the ark, God sent a comet or knew that one was coming toward the earth. It was an ice meteor that came racing through space. As it was progressing through our solar system, some of the fragments broke off and became trapped in what is now some of the rings around Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. All three of these planets have ice rings around them that are still not stabilized, indicating that they have not been there for millions of years. These rings are still separating the lighter particles from the heavier particles from the Pointing Robertson Effect of the solar wind.
Some of those meteors may have hit the moon and caused the craters on the moon. What made the craters? On Mars and the moon there are actually flow marks as if there was water flowing. Maybe the ice meteor hit the planets, made a crater, and then melted in the heat of the day, because in the heat of the day the surface of these planets is about 250 degrees. The ice meteor would have melted, vaporized, and vanished into space leaving behind the crater with no meteorite present in the craters.
As the last meteor was coming toward the earth, it would not have to hit rather it would only need to come near because of the Inverse Square Law. The closer it got the stronger the pull of gravity and the faster it traveled. It continued travel to closer and move faster until it reached a point called Rosches Limit, which is about 2.44 times the diameter of the larger planet. About 20,000 miles out, the meteor exploded in space and turned into a puff of snow. Ice that is 300 degrees or below becomes magnetic and can be picked up by a magnet. At this low temperature, this magnetic ice would be sucked to the north and south pole because of the intense magnetic field. That would cause a very rapid snow fall of some very cold snow, about 300 degrees below zero, at the North and South Poles. It is noteworthy that the earth has a geographic North Pole that we spin around, and it has a magnetic North Pole located in northern Canada about 1,200 miles away. The ice age appears to be centered around the magnetic North Pole. For instance, there were glaciers further south into America than in Asia. This is an interesting thought to keep in mind.
Another thought to keep in mind is that the South Pole is considered a desert because they receive less that ten inches of precipitation a year; yet, the ice is up to 14,000 feet thick at the South Pole. Either it took millions of years to accumulate 14,000 feet of ice or it was dumped there all at once. It may have taken several weeks for all of the ice and snow to fall from the meteor. If there were volcanic activity going on at the same time the flood was taking place there would be layers of ice and ash mixed together. Today, geologists drill up core samples to check the different levels of ice in an effort to try to find something that supports their theory of the earth being millions of years old. Consider the frozen trees found at the North Pole. Perhaps the snow and ice were dumped very rapidly.
I believe that it was a beautiful day as it always was before the flood, about seventy-five degrees. The mammoths were at the North Pole chewing their tropical vegetation, eating their buttercups, and all of a sudden it began to snow (figure 5-4). One of the mammoths looked at the other one and said, "Herman, it's snowing! It's never done this before. This is cold snow, Herman. This is real cold snow! It feels about 300 degrees below zero to me. Let's get out of here." Where could they go? Everywhere they ran, the snow was getting deeper and deeper. Pretty soon they were trapped in the snowdrifts, and they couldn't even fall down. Have you ever been in snow so deep that you couldn't fall over? The mammoths were trapped in the snowdrifts, which buried, then suffocated and froze them within three hours. This is just a theory that seems to fit some of the facts. As the snow deepened, it began to push toward the equator, and the glaciers went racing across the Northern Hemisphere, not three or feet a year like they move today (figures 5-5 and 5-6). The glaciers were roaring across the terrain, possibly hundreds of miles an hour. As the ice pushed out further and further, it carved out all the glacial effects we now see today. They were then covered by two giant cold spots. When cold air meets cold air it rains.
According to Genesis 1:6-7, the earth had a canopy of water around it to protect it. When the cold air from these ice caps began to go out and meet the warm air, it made that canopy of water collapse, and it rained forty days and forty nights. Between the ice coming from outer space, the rain coming down to earth from the canopy, and one more source I will discuss next, the earth was completely covered with water from pole to pole. Some was liquid water and some was frozen water.
The Bible also states in Genesis chapter 7 that the fountains of the deep were broken up. Inside the earth's crust resides a lot of water. That is why you can drill down and strike a well. That is why geysers shoot off, Old Faithful for instance (figure 5-7). There are about eight different geysers around the world named Old Faithful. Geysers shoot out scalding hot water. That's why that near Calistoga, California, people can drill down and use those geothermal vents to turn turbines that produce electricity. If the fountains of the deep were all broken up, maybe this all happened at the start of the flood or because of the flood. Maybe it all happened because of the meteor hitting the earth. If hot water came shooting out of the earth's crust, it would cause some problems on the earth. If you dumped a million gallons into a lake, what would happen to the fish? It would kill them in an instance, wouldn't it? The reason would be due to a condition known as thermal shock. Fish have a certain temperature change that they can withstand per minute. If the temperature changes too quickly, it will kill them. Thermal shock would take place if hot water from beneath the ocean came shooting up into the ocean, and it would kill things in the immediate vicinity.
It is interesting that all around the world there are little tiny diatoms in the ocean (figure 5-9). Diatoms are little microscopic critters. Although they are so tiny that one cannot see them without the aid of a strong microscope, they are beautiful. They have a glass body. Diatoms are all over the ocean, and are very common. When Diatoms become tired of living, they die and fall to the bottom of the ocean. Then when their offspring die, they fall to the bottom, and so on. Pretty soon a layer of Diatoms cover the bottom of the ocean. The Diatoms are rough, angular glass, but they are so small that they feel soft and silky. Diatoms are actually used in shoe polish, car wax, and swimming pool filters. You can buy bags of diatomaceous earth at your local hardware store.
It takes about one-thousand years to accumulate an inch of Diatoms in the bottom of the ocean. There are places like Lompoc, California where the diatomaceous earth is so thick, about 1,500 feet thick, that they dig it out with bulldozers and sell it. Wait a minute! If it takes one-thousand years to accumulate one inch deep, and it is 1,500 feet thick now, wouldn't that prove it has taken millions of years to accumulate that amount of Diatoms? Yes, unless there was a catastrophe like a thermal shock. If the temperature changed too fast in the ocean, all the Diatoms would die at the same time in that area, and they would snow to the bottom. In 1976, workers in Lompoc, California were digging in the diatomaceous earth quarry and found the bones of an eighty-foot baleen whale standing on its tail (figure 5-10) in the diatomaceous earth. Now, hold on just a second! If it takes a thousand years to get an inch of diatomaceous earth, did that whale balance on his tail for millions and millions of years while it slowly filled in around him? Wouldn't you think that is a little far fetched? Do you think that this could be evidence of a catastrophe of some kind? You can literally extract billions of fish fossils out of the diatomaceous earth core there in California. They haul it out by the truck loads. You can buy these fossils for ten cents a piece.
The obvious interpretation would be that there was a catastrophe. The same thing is true with the chalk cliffs of Dover, England (figure 5-11). In Dover the chalk is three hundred feet thick in places. It is pure chalk just like what you use to write on the chalkboard. Chalk is also a microscopic critter that lives in the ocean. When you write on a chalkboard you are rubbing off some of the seashells onto the chalkboard. That's what leaves the yellow and white streaks behind. Don't try to tell me that all the chalk in the world decided to go to Dover, England to die, and this continued for millions of years just so that they could purposely create a big layer of chalk. I think that there is a better explanation like a thermal shock. Hot water came gushing out, killed the chalk in that location.
Noah was floating on top of the water in the ark, and the flood lasted just over a year. As Noah was floating in the ark, hundreds and hundreds and thousands of sediment layers were being deposited below him in the ocean. The earth being completely covered with water and the moon creating tides would cause the tides to lift and settle the ocean. The tides would race around the world changing every six hours and twenty-five minutes causing the tides to reshuffle the sediments on the ocean floor. You can get a jar of dirt out of your yard, put water in it, and shake it up and set it down. The dirt will settle out into layers every time. Gravel will go to the bottom, then sand, clay, and finally top soil. It will create a perfect soil profile every time. The layers of the earth were caused by the flood from the fountains of the deep breaking up, lava layers being there. There would be layers of fish, dirt, and the various other types of sediment. Animals of similar density would tend to be buried together. The reason most dinosaur bones are found in similar layers is most dinosaurs are lizards, and weigh about the same as lizards. The reason birds are found on the top soil of the geologic column is not because they evolved last but because the birds were the last ones to drown in the flood. When they do drown, they float because they have hollow feathers and hollow bones.
The geologic column, the order of the index fossils, has some order to the layers in some places, but there are many places where it's totally out of order. The only reason there is any semblance of order to the so called geologic column is due to hydrologic sorting. Floods automatically sort materials based on density. All of those layers were formed rapidly in one year as the flood took place. There is no other way to explain it. Some of the animals were trapped in the mud right away. Those living at the bottom already, like the clams, and seashells, were buried first. The mud slides were everywhere. Huge beds of them were buried. Those living at higher elevations were buried last, and some of the animals were not buried at all instead they floated around. As they floated, they rotted. As they rotted, they began to fall apart. A head fell off, a tail fell off, a leg fell off, and pretty soon there would be a swirling mass of rotting carcasses of pieces of animals mixed together, as the eddies went all over the place. When they finally were buried and the flood waters receded, there would be a tangled up messes of bones like the dinosaur graveyards that are found all over the world. The picture in figure 5-12 is of a man chiseling out the backbone of an animal that has no legs, head, tail, rib cage attached to it, or teeth marks on the bone. It wasn't torn apart by scavengers. That dinosaur rotted apart in the flood. Right next to it is another back bone bent backwards. Obviously, a flood killed those critters.
If the biblical account of the flood is correct, you would expect to find dinosaur bones and other animal bones, tangled up in giant fossil graveyards, which is the case found all over the world. Fossil graveyards are often two or three miles thick of solid dinosaur bones or other types of bones. Dinosaur bones have been excavated by the tons in the fossil graveyards of Vernal, Utah (figure 5-13). These are different dinosaur bones tangled on top of each other. A flood of global proportion is the only logical explanation.
There are so many hippopotamus bones in places like Sicily (figure 5-14 that they dig them out with bulldozers and use them to make charcoal. Don't try to tell me that all the hippos decided to go to Sicily to die for millions of years. I think that there had to be a flood that buried them all there.
The Bible says in Genesis 8:1, "And God remembered Noah,(it's a good thing by the way) and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged." Asswaged? I was in a debate and one of the professors in the audience said, "Mr. Hovind, is it possible for it to rain so much that it would flood the entire earth?" I said, "Oh, no sir. It could not do it. Not today. There is only enough moisture in the air for it to rain, probably, two inches. This would not flood the whole world. There was a set of circumstances that caused the world to flood in Noah's time. Oceans were not as deep. There were no mountains. An abundance of water was trapped in the atmosphere, plus extra terrestrial water; i.e., ice meteors. On top of that there was subterranean water that erupted. So, yes the world was flooded." He said, "If the world was completely flooded, where did all of the water go?" I said, "That's a good question." He said, "Did it dry up? Did it soak into the ground? What happened to the water?" I said, "No, it didn't dry up. Some soaked into the ground, but very little compared to the volume of water." Genesis 8:1 says that the waters asswaged. The word asswaged means to sink down. The waters actually sank down. Psalms 104:5 tells more about that, "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment." The deep is referencing the oceans. The earth was covered with the deep as with a garment. The earth was completely wrapped up in water. Verse six says, "The waters stood above the mountains." Some people say that the Bible account is referring to a local flood. No, it is not a local flood when the water goes above the mountains and starts to go down the other side. Plus, if it were a local flood, why did God tell Noah to build a boat? Why didn't he just say, "Noah, you need to move, son. It's going to rain. He could have moved just about anywhere in the world in 120 years. I don't see how anybody could believe that. No, it was a world-wide flood. Verse number seven states: "At thy rebuke they fled." "They" refers to the water. At God's rebuke, the waters fled. If the world was covered and surrounded by water and water takes its own level, where could the water go? How could it flee? That's a good question. Continuing with verse seven, "At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away." The water went roaring away. You ask, "Where?" Verse eight says, "They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys..." This is an Old English phrase. We would not say it like that today. We would say, "The mountains ascend; they valleys descend."
Noah was in the ark, along with the animals, the world was completely covered with water, and all of a sudden the mountains began to lift up, and the oceans began to sink down. The earth's crust was cracking up, tilting and shifting. The mountains ascend, the valleys descend. The earth's crust is pretty thin (figure 5-15). You may say, "It feels pretty solid." That's because you don't weigh enough to shake it. It's actually pretty thin. The earth's crust as compared to the size of the earth is thinner than the skin of an apple compared to the apple. The earth's crust is about three miles thick under the ocean. The earth's crust is about thirty miles thick under the continents. Note that it is much thicker under the continents. That has been known for some time. I believe spots where the oceans are today sank down, and the water ran into the hole. The mountains lifted up. Remember the oceans' crust is much thinner that the continents' crust.
Here is an analogy. If your house were filled with three feet of water, and you were to lift one end of the house, the water would run to the opposite end, carrying with it all of the chairs, furniture, books and whatever else was in the water. The faster the building is lifted, the faster the waters run away. If it is lifted slowly, the water runs away slowly. How fast the mountains lifted up determines how fast the waters ran off. How fast the water ran off would determine how deep the canyons were carved. It would be no problem to carve out the Grand Canyon due to the soft sediment. The mountains arose and the valleys descended after the flood. People often say, "There isn't enough water to cover Mt. Everest." The simple answer is that Mt. Everest didn't exist until after the flood. The mountains arose after the flood as proclaimed in Psalms 104. By the way, the mountain ranges on the earth follow the coast lines (figure 5-16). Have you ever looked at a globe and noticed that the Rocky Mountains follow the Pacific coast; the Andes Mountains follow the South Pacific; the Appalachian Mountains follow the North Atlantic; and the Alps follow the Mediterranean? All of the mountain ranges follow the coast lines as if that's the way they broke into place, tilted and shifted, making the water run off and the mountains lift up.
There are fault lines around the world. There is no question that Los Angeles is moving northward. That does not prove that it has been happening for millions of years. That might be left over movement from the flood 4,400 years ago. It's still shifting and moving a little bit. It is also noteworthy that there are rock layers (figures 5-17 and 5-18) found all over the world in bent, twisted, and contorted positions. Have you noticed that rocks don't bend very easily? Layers that are bent and twisted as these were bent while they were soft. After a year-long flood there would be thousands upon thousands of layers of soft mud at the bottom. As the mountains arose some of the layers were twisted, and bend. When they finally hardened over the next few weeks, months or years, they would be stuck in a twisted position. Water ran off leaving behind fossils like the seastars shown in (figure 5-19). Obviously, moving water conditions left them behind. Notice that their legs are all going the same direction. The flood did that.
The top of Mt. Everest is very interesting. Edmund Hillary climbed Mt. Everest in 1953. When he got to the 26,000 foot level, he stuck his pick into the ground to pull himself up when he noticed sea shells. From 26,000 feet all the way to the top at 29,028 feet, the entire top of that mountain is sedimentary rock packed full of seashells. Another interesting thing to note is the seashells were found petrified in a closed position. Now, wait a minute! When a clam dies he opens. Go to the beach and look for seashells. You would be fortunate to find a matched pair. When they die they open, and then, the remains don't last long. Petrified clams can be found in the closed position by the billions on top Mt. Everest.
As I was speaking in Mentone, Alabama, a man asked, "Brother Hovind, do you need some more petrified clams for your display tables?" I said, "Yes, why?" He said, "They're four feet thick in my backyard. When I dig down a short distance, I encounter petrified clams. There are millions of them." There are enough petrified clams in the closed position to build a ten-lane highway from New York to San Francisco. Clams in the closed position are one of the most common fossils in the world. Do you know what that shows to me? That shows me that they were buried alive, and when they woke up dead, they couldn't even open. They are found like that all over the world. It is evidence of the judgment of God. When the judgment of God came, it was too late. It was all over. Mt. Everest is full of petrified seashells at the top? How do you explain that? The evolutionists say, "That's no problem. That area uplifted over several hundred-million years." No, I believe that it uplifted very quickly. Psalms 104 tells about the mountains lifting up, and the valleys sinking down after the flood.
This is going to sound strange, but I believe that the oceans were smaller after the flood. You say, "Dr. Hovind, run that by me again." When the world was covered with water, thin spots sank down, mountains lifted up, and water ran into the holes, making the oceans smaller after the flood? Yes, if the oceans were smaller, then the continents would be larger. If the continents were larger, they would all be connected. The oceans have two distinctive parts: (1). The abyss is one part, which is the deep regions of the oceans. The abyss averages about 13,000 to 15,000 feet deep. Many people ask if there is enough water in the ocean to cover the earth. There is enough water in the ocean right now to cover the earth 12,000 feet deep everywhere -- if the earth were smooth. It would be two miles deep everywhere. There is plenty of water in the ocean to drown everybody. (2). The other part of the ocean is the continental shelf. If you walk into the ocean, it is rather shallow. Sometimes you can go out for hundreds of miles before it reaches even 500 to 1,000 feet deep. All of a sudden at about 1,000 feet deep, it drops off to 15,000 feet deep. It looks as if the shelf was once the beach. I believe that it was. There are numerous erosion marks at the continental rise where it changes from the abyss to the continental shelf. There are also numerous underwater canyons. You may wander where is all this extra water. Remember, there are still two giant ice caps. There is a massive amount of water trapped at the North and South Poles in the form of ice caps that reach as far south as what is now Kansas City. If the oceans were smaller, the continents would be bigger, and one could walk anyplace in the world. For the first, one-hundred or so years after the flood, people could walk anyplace in the world. All of the continents were connected because the oceans were lower. England was not an island, but rather part of the mainland. The English channel was just a valley that later filled in with water.
The map shown in figure 5-22 illustrates the river planes of the Mississippi drainage area. I believe that the Gulf of Mexico must have sunk in slowly, and all the Mississippi drainage area drained off slowly leaving behind nice big flat planes like Kansas, Nebraska, Illinois, and Iowa. Other places like the Rocky Mountains must have lifted up faster causing the water to run off faster leaving behind more rugged terrain such as the Grand Canyon. If you ever fly over Utah and Nevada area, you will see that it looks as if somebody left the hose running before the grass started growing. It's a mess. I believe that it all happened rapidly as the flood waters ran off. It all depends on how fast the mountains lifted up. The reason the Appalachian Mountains are more rounded is not because they are older, but because they lifted up slower. The Rocky Mountains are more rugged not because they are younger, but because they lifted up faster, causing them to break up more.
Water was trapped in huge sections of the earth, and later broke through and formed the canyons (figure 5-23). One textbook states, "Over millions of years the Colorado River formed the Grand Canyon from solid rock." Now, hold on just a second! This is based on several faulty assumptions. Those rock layers that the Grand Canyon run through are obviously sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock is formed from layers of mud that turned into rock. If those layers are really millions of years different in age, as they state in textbooks, wouldn't you suppose if one layer was exposed for a couple of million years there would be canyons cut into that layer before the next one was put on top? Why don't we see any canyons in between the layers? Why are all the layers nice and neatly stacked on top of each other? There ought to be erosion marks in between those layers, and there aren't any. If that layer was exposed for millions of years, don't you believe that maybe some meteors would fall on it? We find meteors all over the world, and yet no one has ever found a fossilized meteorite. No one has ever found a meteor in any layer except the top layer of the earth. Those layers were not exposed for millions of years, and the Colorado River did not make the Grand Canyon. The Colorado River just happens to flow through the crack. The flood made the Grand Canyon in a couple of hours. A lot of water moving through soft mud can make a Grand Canyon in a couple hours with no problem. As the Rocky Mountains lifted up, and the water ran off through the soft mud, it washed out in a hurry.
The same thing happened fifteen years ago with Mount Saint Helens (figure 5-24). You may remember when Mount Saint Helens erupted. My sister lived sixty miles north of there in Puyallup, Washington. She got ash all over her yard from the Mount Saint Helens' eruption. When the mountain erupted on May 18, 1980, about 8:00 in the morning, it was reported to blow up straight out of the top (Figure 5-25). It was equivalent to an atomic bomb going off ever second for nine hours straight. That is the equivalent of nearly 30,000 atomic bombs going off in that mountain. It started to blow off the top, and immediately the north slope collapsed and slid down the hill. The volcano then began to blow out toward the north. As the ash, water, and steam came out of the volcano, it melted all of the glaciers on the mountain (figure 5-26). It produced a scalding hot mud slide that slid down the valley. The scalding hot mud went racing down the valley ripping down everything in its path (figure 5-27). The mud slid all the way down and blocked off the Toutle River to the point that it completely stopped the river from flowing.
Maybe as a child you went out and dammed up a creek to make yourself a fishing hole or a swimming hole. What happens when you stop up a creek? The creek becomes deeper and deeper behind the dam, and pretty soon the water goes over the top. The dam then washes out, especially if you are building it out of soft mud. Once it starts over the top, the dam doesn't last. The Toutle River was stopped for five days as the mud flowed across (figure 5-28). Five days later the water got deep enough that the water began to go over the top of the mud slide. Once it started washing over the top, it started washing out canyons in a hurry (figure 5-29). It washed out a canyon 140 feet deep, 1,000 feet wide, and 2,000 feet long in fifteen minutes. A miniature Grand Canyon 140 feet deep in fifteen minutes? It is no problem if you have a lot of water backed up behind soft mud. When the mud is flowing, it automatically separates into different densities. When the canyon washed out and then dried, scientists went down into that brand new canyon that was just formed a few days earlier. They noticed that the sides of the canyons were arrange in nice neat layers (figure 5-30). It looks just like the Grand Canyon, and they were scratching their heads and saying, "Wait a minute! We thought it took millions of years for layers to form like this. It can be done in fifteen minutes?" The world wide-flood formed almost all the canyon features of the world. In the past 4,400 years, some have been formed, but no, it didn't take millions of years.
The textbooks state that it is rather puzzling about the Grand Canyon. The Colorado River loops back and forth through the Grand Canyon. A slow moving low gradient river like the Mississippi River has lots of loops and meanders in it. A fast moving, high gradient stream is relatively straight, and has steep sides, but the Grand Canyon is both looping and steep sided (figure 5-31). Therefore, the textbooks state that it is a puzzle about the Grand Canyon. How were they formed? Is it young or is it old? Was it slow moving or fast moving?
They have it all wrong. The Colorado River didn't even make that canyon. The flood made the Grand Canyon. The Colorado River just happens to flow in the crack left behind. That's all!
When Mount Saint Helens erupted, it blew thousands and thousands of trees for 150 square miles down into Spirit Lake, and some are still floating there today (figure 5-32). They were flattened like toothpicks. I flew over that area four years after the eruption had occurred, and it was unbelievable the amount of devastation that took place. Trees were down everywhere. These were not small trees; many were six to eight feet in diameter. With all of their branches stripped off, they looked like toothpicks.
The trees floating in Spirit Lake were very interesting. The log mat that was floating in the lake displaced three square miles. There were thousands upon thousands of trees floating around. Within a few days, some of the trees began to become waterlogged. The trees were wrenched out the ground so forcefully that the internal parts of the trees were exposed, allowing them to absorb water. Within a few days, weeks, and months, many of them were completely soaked. Instead of floating in the prone position, some of the trees began to float in the upright position with just the tips sticking up above the water (figure 5-33). As they soaked full of water, the trees began to sink to the bottom and stick in the mud at the bottom of Spirit Lake. As the trees stuck in the mud just barely floating, more layers of mud settled in around them. Every time there was another little volcanic eruption, minor activity, or just a storm, more dirt, ash, and debris, washed off the already eroded hillside. Seasonal changes caused leaves to accumulate, and the trees rolling around and knocking against each other caused the bark to fall off and settle to the bottom. Layer after layer after layer of dirt, ash, mud, bark, and all types of sediment settled at the bottom of Spirit Lake. Thousands of those trees are buried at the bottom today. The log mat only displaces two square miles today. One square mile of trees have sunk to the bottom. It is estimated that over 20,000 trees are stuck in the bottom of the lake. Scuba divers have gone under the log mat, and guess what? Most of the trees are stuck in a standing position. Some of them are already fifteen feet deep in mud. This only happened fifteen years ago. Do you know what is going to happen to those trees? They are going to petrify, and they will petrify in a standing position running through all the different layers. This is the same condition that was discussed in chapter four about the petrified trees standing upright through many layers of strata. They will petrify in the same manner as was shown in figures 4-4 and 4-5.
Some ask me, "Brother Hovind, doesn't it take millions of years for wood to petrify?" No, it can happen fairly quickly. It can be accomplished in a laboratory in about two years. If you bury a block of wood in mud with plenty of minerals, and put it under pressure, it will petrify in two years. I was speaking in Union City, Tennessee, when a man came to me and said, "Brother Hovind, how long does it take wood to petrify?" I said, "Well, it can be done in the laboratory in two years." He said, "The strangest thing happened at our shop. I work in a shop where we make wood pallets. About twenty five years ago we had a bad storm, and the hillside slid down and covered up a bunch of our pallets in mud. The boss told us not to bother with digging them out, but rather we would just make new ones. Last week, we were digging across that area to put in a sewer line, and hit some of those pallets. They had been in the ground for only twenty five years, and they had petrified." These pallets had turned to stone. He went on to say, "I couldn't believe it. Petrified in just twenty five years!"
I was in Iowa preaching where some farmers told me that when they were kids they had buried a bunch of fence posts. The posts began to rot off and the grandkids tried to pull the fence posts up to put new ones in. The tops were rotted, but the bottoms were petrified. This took place in just thirty years in Iowa soil.
In the summer of 1993, I was preaching at a camp in St. Clair, Missouri. An old-timer came to me and asked, "Brother Hovind, how long does it take wood to petrify?" I said, "Brother, not too long under good conditions." He said, "I have a spring on my property called Blue Mud, because the mud looks kind of blue there. This spring bubbles up out of the ground with a blue-colored mud all around it. When I was a youngster, there was an old man that would come over all the time and bury hard rock maple blocks in my blue mud spring. He would carve or cut them into the shape of blocks and bury them in the mud. When he returned in two or three years and removed them, he had hone stones to sharpen his knife." They would petrify in two or three years in the blue mud of St. Clair, Missouri. Almost all of the petrified wood in the world was formed due to the flood. The same thing is true for fossils of other types. They fossilized very rapidly. As the mountains lifted up, the pressure would increase and convert some of the sedimentary layers to metamorphic rocks. They were changed due to the pressure and heat. If you visit Yellowstone National Park, you can see petrified trees standing up (figure 5-34). There are twenty-seven different layers represented by these trees. Some of the trees from the bottom layers extend up through the next few layers. The guides will try to tell you that this proves that there were twenty-seven consecutive forests. No, no! If there were twenty-seven consecutive forests petrified over millions of years, why is it that none of the trees are over 500 years old? I believe that all of those trees were ripped out by the flood. The twenty-seven different layers were deposited on top of them, and some of the trees run through layers up above them. Another interesting point is, these trees were petrified in a standing position. What is going to happen when the dirt washes away from around them, and the trees fall? They are going to break or shatter. Have you ever cut firewood? When you cut the tree down, it does not automatically break up into logs for you. Have you ever noticed that phenomenon before? You have to saw it up into logs. The petrified forests in Calistoga, California, Flora Mississippi, or in Arizona, have petrified logs that are broken up (figure 5-35). It looks as if the trees fell over after they were already petrified.
Genesis 8:3a says, "And the waters returned from off the earth continually..." Many of the modern translations have really messed up that verse. They should have left it alone. They tried to make it more understandable. Some of the translations state, "The water kept decreasing off the earth." That is not what happened. The Hebrew phrase, "Halak-va-shub" means the water was going and returning. When they tried to make it more readable, they totally lost the meaning of this passage. The water was not steadily decreasing, rather it was going and returning. Think back to the analogy where we filled your house full of water. If your house was three feet deep in water, and one side was picked up, all the water would rush to one end. Is it going to stay there? No, it's going to slosh back up, and then come down, and then back up again. The water is going to be going and returning as it gradually looses its energy. If the mountains lifted up and the valleys sank down and became the oceans, the water would rush into the hole, and then tidal waves would rush back and forth across the ocean, causing secondary erosion. As Noah was calmly sitting in the ark, the tidal waves would race back and forth, and all of a sudden he hit bottom. He looked out and saw that all of the water was rushing away from him. He said, "Yea, Lord! The flood is over! Can I get out?" The Lord said, "No Noah, stay right there son. The water is coming back." A few days later, maybe it was a week, the water came back and moved the ark four or five miles. By then, Noah had apparently cut off the anchor stones, those big 9,000 pound rocks hanging over the side for ballast. The anchor stones were found four or five miles away from the boat, if Ron Wyatt's discovery is Noah's ark.
The rock layers were bent and lifted up as shown in figure 5-36. After this, secondary erosion wiped the layer smooth and new layers were deposited on top, as shown in figure 5-37. That is why we find strange rock layers like Garden of the God's in Colorado Springs. Rock layers are found standing up. That is why there are dinosaur foot prints found at forty-five degree angles in the Red Rock Amphitheater outside Denver, Colorado. Dinosaur footprints are all over that place. Did dinosaurs walk on hillsides at a forty-five degree angle? No, the land was all flat. They laid their prints down, and then the ground was lifted up afterwards -- the mountains arose.
The textbooks state that it took billions of years to form the Grand Canyon. That is just not true. It was formed rapidly. Features such as those shown in figure 5-38, formed in ten minutes. A miniature version of that can be made in ten minutes out in your yard with a pile of dirt and a water hose. You could wash it away and leave features like that with John Wayne riding around or something like that. The tour guides will tell you that it took millions of years to form the Grand Canyon and the Bad Lands. How do you know that sir? He will say, "Well, we only get about twelve inches of rain out here every year. You can tell by the hardness of the rock, and the amount of rain we get that it would take millions of years to make these Bad Lands." Well now sir, you are assuming that the rock hardness has always been the same. What if it was all soft mud, and there was 500 feet of water running through there? The Bad Lands could be formed in about fifteen minutes, couldn't it? Was it a little bit of water over lots of time, or was it lots of water over a little time? There is a big difference. Those places formed rapidly.
As I stated earlier, I believe that all of the continents were connected after the flood. People could walk anyplace in the world. If the ocean was lowered, you could walk anyplace in the world. For the first one-hundred years, the oceans were smaller, the continents were bigger, and the ice caps were huge, trapping lots of water. In the first one-hundred years of history after the flood, the Tower of Babel incident took place, and God confused the languages. The people spread out across the world could walk anywhere they wanted to go. As the water level rose because of the icecaps melting, they became trapped in certain regions. The people then developed peculiar traits. The Australian Aborigines have a small cap muscle; the Indians have higher cheek bones; and the Norwegians have blond hair. They all developed these peculiar traits as small inbreeding groups were trapped in localized areas after the flood.
The Bible says in Genesis 10:25, "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided..." The earth was divided in the days of Peleg? Peleg was born one-hundred years after the flood. If you look at the longevity chart in chapter 1 (figure 1-6), you will notice that Noah begat Shem. Shem begat Arphaxad. Arphaxad begat Salah. Salah begat Eber, and Eber begat Peleg. Peleg was born one-hundred years after the flood. I think that it took one-hundred years for those icecaps to melt. It would take a long time for a big block of ice to melt. As the ice melted back from Kansas City, it left behind Drumlins, Terminal Moraines, and glaciers. This would take a long time. The bigger the block of ice, the longer that it takes to melt. Icebergs float around sometimes for five years before they melt in the ocean. Ice that reached all the way to Kansas City would take one-hundred years to melt back to Alaska. As it melted, it slowly raised the ocean level. That explains to me why we find underwater flat-top mountains called guyots. The mountains come up, and they are cut off flat 1,000 feet under water. This also explains why there is a continental shelf. At one time there was a beach way out there at the edge of the continental shelf. This also explains why there are so many legends of lost cities like Atlantis and Poseidon. I imagine that within the first few hundred years, cities were built close to the beach much as they do in Pensacola where I live. As the water kept coming up further and further, the cities had to be abandoned. Maybe this explains why there are some unusual features under water. In Bermuda, they have found large cut stones on the ocean floor as if someone was constructing a building thirty feet under water. What appears to be a four-lane highway running off the Yucatan Peninsula has been found under the Gulf of Mexico. Who would build a highway under the Gulf of Mexico? Maybe it wasn't under the Gulf of Mexico, "...for in his days was the earth divided..."
The purpose of this chapter is to give you an alternative to what you have been taught in school. The Bible warns us in I Timothy chapter 6 to be careful about what is so-called science. Evolution is not science! It has nothing to do with science. It should not be in the science textbooks. Statements like "billion of years ago..." is not scientifically provable and should not be in the textbooks. No one can prove that the world is billions of years old, but if you pick up any earth science textbook, it will tell you that the earth is billions of years old. That theme is all through the public school textbooks.
Whats your thoughts on that theory?
The Hovind Theory
What about pangaea? Were the continents ever connected? Maybe you were taught in school that it is a proven fact that the continents were connected at some point in time. School children are still being taught this theory. The only evidence to support this theory is that Africa and South America look as if they would fit together. Although the shapes give the appearance they could fit together, it is pure coincidence, based upon the water level. If you raise or lower the oceans, the shapes of the continents change. I could tell you that your home is perfectly parallel to Hardee's right down the highway. If you move two buildings together that perfectly fit side by side this must prove that they broke apart 80 million years ago when the highway oozed up between them. Shapes fitting together as a jigsaw puzzle does not mean anything. If you look at a map of the earth's crust, you will see many different mountain ranges and plateaus. The appearance of the land would drastically change if the oceans were not as deep. The second evidence that is given for pangaea is the idea that the continents are drifting. There is a little movement, but that doesn't prove that it has been happening for millions of years. It could have started one hundred years ago. Until recently, we haven't had the technology to measure such movement. Another fact given to back up their theory is that there are similar fossils on each continent. Africa and South America have the same kinds of fossils. This is true, but it still doesn't prove that they were ever joined together.
Many times there are two ways to look at things. Don't forget the farmer back in chapter four. It might be that there was a world-wide flood, and the dead animals floated all over the place and then settled down as the water level subsided. Camels have been found at the North Pole. That doesn't prove that the North Pole was at the equator in times past. It might prove that there was a flood that floated these animals up to the North Pole. There might be another way of looking at things. Therefore pangaea is a far cry from a proven fact.
Evolutionists ask, "What about the ice age? Isn't it obvious that glaciers came all the way down to Kansas City, Missouri?" Yes, it's pretty obvious. I have flown over many of these areas. I have studied the Terminal Moraines, the Lateral Moraines, the Drumlins, the Kettle Lake, and the Canadian Shields. There was an ice age, but it wasn't hundreds of thousands of years ago. Later in this chapter, we discuss how the ice age fits into Scripture.
Another question the evolutionists ask is, "What about the mammoth? You know, those big huge hairy elephants." By the way, many mammoths are found frozen standing straight up (figure 5-1). Some people are somewhat confused about the mammoth. Not only are they found standing up; they suffocated, which means they didn't drown. They were frozen so fast that the food in their stomach and teeth is still fresh. The food is still green as if they just ate it! Not only that, the food is tropical food, buttercups, etc. Buttercups at the North Pole? It is estimated that there are over five million mammoths still frozen around the north polar region. People have been known to dig them up just for their ivory tusks.
A gentleman from Waterloo, Ontario told me, "Brother Hovind, my dad lived at the north slope of Alaska, and he ate mammoth meat. They dug one out of the ground, cut the meat off, and ate it. They said it tasted like roast beef and it was still as fresh as the day it was killed."
A lot of people have been curious about what happened to the mammoths. Another friend of mine who works on an oil rig lives on the north slope of Barrow, Alaska. He sent me a very fragile piece of frozen wood. They had drilled down under 1,200 feet of permafrost and brought up a piece of freeze-dried wood. As they were drilling, they drilled through several hundred feet of wood. A forest is buried under 1,200 feet. What happened to the forest? How did it get down there? Baron Toll, the Arctic explorer, found a frozen, ninety-foot tall plumb tree on the New Siberian Island, which is 600 miles north of the Arctic Circle. This tree still had huge plumbs and leaves on it.
Mammoths do not have any sweat glands. They were not designed for cold climates. You may ask, "What about their long hair, doesn't that prove they lived in cold climates?" No. Before the flood, there was no cold climates in the world. It was seventy-five degrees from pole-to-pole. The temperature was perfect everywhere. The mammoths' long hair would be neither a help nor a hindrance if it were seventy-five degrees. A lot of animals that live in the jungle have real thick, dense hair. Hair might be an insulator from the heat. The mammoths were not designed to live in cold climates, in spite of their long hair. Mammoths are not the only frozen animals being found. Bobcats, jaguar, lynx, and camels, among others, have been found frozen around the north polar region.
I was curious about these findings, especially about the mammoth. How do you freeze a mammoth? I called all sorts of people such as the Bird's Eye Frozen Food people in New York. I figured since they supply us fresh frozen foods, they should know something about freezing meats. I talked with a physicist and people in the meat packing houses, and asked each of them the same question: "If you stuck an elephant in a freezer, what would happen?" They said, "Well, you would have a crowded freezer." I asked, "How long would it take to freeze an elephant?" The mammoth is the same size as an elephant except for having thirty-inch long hair all over his body. These scientists said, "In order to freeze a mammoth so fast that the food in his stomach would still be fresh, you would have to have something much colder than a normal freezer." A normal packaging house freezes meat at zero degrees. It takes about twenty-four hours to freeze twelve inches of meat. If you have ever frozen or thawed out a large chunk of meat such as a turkey, you know that it takes about twenty-four hours to freeze or thaw the meat. In order to freeze the mammoth so fast that his stomach contents are frozen before they rot, you would have to freeze them within three to four hours. Scientists who have studied this issue concluded that it would take about five days to freeze a mammoth in a freezer. How do you freeze one in three hours? The only way to freeze him in three hours is to dip him in something much colder, like liquid nitrogen, which is 300 degrees below zero. It never gets 300 degrees below zero on earth. The coldest recorded temperature was 127 degrees below zero. Where are you going to get something 300 degrees below zero to freeze five million mammoths, some of them standing up? They are not mangled as if they were run over or something. They didn't drown or become smashed by a glacier. What happened to them? Keep this thought in mind -- it takes something about 300 degrees below zero to accomplish this feat. First, it is important that you are aware of several different scientific facts to prepare you; then, I will share with you the Hovind Theory how I think it happened.
I cannot prove my theory to anyone -- it is just a theory. I will provide a model as food for thought and then you decide whether you think it is feasible.
Inverse Square Law
The second thing that you need to keep in mind, in addition to the low temperature required to freeze the mammoths with stomach contents still undigested, is a law in science known as the Inverse Square Law. The Inverse Square Law states: "If two objects are attracted to each other, like two magnets, or the earth and the moon, by gravity pulling them together, the force of attraction between those objects is directly proportional, or is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them." In English, that means, if you half the distance, you quadruple the attraction. If you narrow the distance between two attracted objects to one third of the original distance, there would be nine times the original amount of attraction. The formula would be one over the distance squared. The closer that they get, the strong the pull becomes. The Inverse Square Law applies when dealing with several things such as gravity, magnetism, light, and girls. You see, when you half the distance the attraction is quadrupled. Many fellows have not understood that until it was too late. When you are a certain distance away, you may say, "Oh wow! She's pretty." When you are half the distance, you are now four times as attracted. When you half the distance again, you are now sixteen times as attracted. Eventually, like two strong magnets they reach a point where you cannot keep them apart. It is safer to stay about ten feet away and that solves most of the problems.
The next thing to keep in mind is that when a top is spinning, it maintains an equal equilibrium. When it is bumped from the outside, it will wobble for a while, but it will recover and spin smoothly at a new angle. If you graft out the number of degrees the top went over and the number of degrees it came back, it follows a definite curve called the recovery cure of a spinning top struck by an outside object. Wow! I wonder how they come up with that name?
It has been observed that, apparently, the earth has wobbled throughout time. The North Pole has wandered around. The recovery path of the spinning top is the same as the path the earth has followed. The earth has wobbled so many degrees and has come back, wobbled, come back, and so on. It is now leaning over. They can tell buy by looking at temples around the world such as Stonehenge, Eudozus, and Amen-Ra. These different temples were built to worship the sun at Summer Solstice on June 21, when the sun is as high above the equator as it gets. These buildings are at different angles today and no longer line up with the sun.
Some people, such as George Dodwell, have conducted research on this subject and have concluded that the earth must have been struck by something about 4,400 years ago. About 2,300 BC the earth was stuck by an outside object. Today, the earth is leaning over about twenty-three and one half degrees, which is what causes our seasons. By the way, the seasons as far as spring, winter, and harvest, are not mentioned in the Bible until after the flood. Genesis 8:22 is the first mention of cold weather. They didn't have any cold weather in the Garden of Eden. The pre-flood world had perfect temperature all year long. The earth may have been spinning without being tilted in its orbit around the sun. They may have always had twelve hours of daylight and twelve hours of darkness, which means they would not need a watch. They always knew what time it was by looking at the sun because it would always be in the same spot at the same time every day. There were also no seasons, and the earth's magnetic field was much stronger back in those days. The magnetic field is getting weaker and weaker with time. It was probably twenty times stronger in Adam and Eve's day. If the magnetic fields were twenty times stronger, man has enough iron in his body to be able to feel which way is north. We could be our own compass, which means we would never become lost. Adam and Eve never knew what is was like to have that disoriented feeling of not knowing where they were. God designed the original creation to take care of all the problems that we have today. All the anxieties that we have were unknown to them. They didn't have to worry about utility bills. They didn't have to worry about going to the grocery store. All their food was growing all around them. They didn't pay rent. They didn't need a house. There was no need to be protected from the elements because there were no storms, or bad weather. Insects wouldn't bite. They didn't have to worry about mosquitoes. Everything was vegetarian according to Genesis 1:30. All the animals were friendly. It was an unbelievable paradise. That is what the world started off to be like until sin messed it up.
Another factor to keep in mind is that there are comets (figure 5-3) that fly around in space. Most comets are extremely cold snowballs, while some are rocks and iron. The reason God made snow is so you can pack it into a ball and throw it at somebody. If you throw a snowball too fast it will break apart. Instead of hitting in one piece it will come apart. If you freeze a ball of water to make a frozen cannon ball and you roll it down the barrel of a cannon and light the fuse, it will turn back into a puff of snow before it exits the barrel. At a certain velocity, it will come unglued. Ice in space is extremely cold. The temperature in outer space ranges from 300 to 400 degrees below zero, and some estimates are as high as 450 degrees below zero. Negative 459.6 degrees below zero is absolute zero. Many of the comets flying around space are about 300 degrees below zero. These are real cold snowballs.
The Hovind Theory
This is my theory, which I call The Hovind Theory. I believe that Noah was building the ark because God had warned him that he would destroy the world in 120 years. As Noah was building the ark, God sent a comet or knew that one was coming toward the earth. It was an ice meteor that came racing through space. As it was progressing through our solar system, some of the fragments broke off and became trapped in what is now some of the rings around Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. All three of these planets have ice rings around them that are still not stabilized, indicating that they have not been there for millions of years. These rings are still separating the lighter particles from the heavier particles from the Pointing Robertson Effect of the solar wind.
Some of those meteors may have hit the moon and caused the craters on the moon. What made the craters? On Mars and the moon there are actually flow marks as if there was water flowing. Maybe the ice meteor hit the planets, made a crater, and then melted in the heat of the day, because in the heat of the day the surface of these planets is about 250 degrees. The ice meteor would have melted, vaporized, and vanished into space leaving behind the crater with no meteorite present in the craters.
As the last meteor was coming toward the earth, it would not have to hit rather it would only need to come near because of the Inverse Square Law. The closer it got the stronger the pull of gravity and the faster it traveled. It continued travel to closer and move faster until it reached a point called Rosches Limit, which is about 2.44 times the diameter of the larger planet. About 20,000 miles out, the meteor exploded in space and turned into a puff of snow. Ice that is 300 degrees or below becomes magnetic and can be picked up by a magnet. At this low temperature, this magnetic ice would be sucked to the north and south pole because of the intense magnetic field. That would cause a very rapid snow fall of some very cold snow, about 300 degrees below zero, at the North and South Poles. It is noteworthy that the earth has a geographic North Pole that we spin around, and it has a magnetic North Pole located in northern Canada about 1,200 miles away. The ice age appears to be centered around the magnetic North Pole. For instance, there were glaciers further south into America than in Asia. This is an interesting thought to keep in mind.
Another thought to keep in mind is that the South Pole is considered a desert because they receive less that ten inches of precipitation a year; yet, the ice is up to 14,000 feet thick at the South Pole. Either it took millions of years to accumulate 14,000 feet of ice or it was dumped there all at once. It may have taken several weeks for all of the ice and snow to fall from the meteor. If there were volcanic activity going on at the same time the flood was taking place there would be layers of ice and ash mixed together. Today, geologists drill up core samples to check the different levels of ice in an effort to try to find something that supports their theory of the earth being millions of years old. Consider the frozen trees found at the North Pole. Perhaps the snow and ice were dumped very rapidly.
I believe that it was a beautiful day as it always was before the flood, about seventy-five degrees. The mammoths were at the North Pole chewing their tropical vegetation, eating their buttercups, and all of a sudden it began to snow (figure 5-4). One of the mammoths looked at the other one and said, "Herman, it's snowing! It's never done this before. This is cold snow, Herman. This is real cold snow! It feels about 300 degrees below zero to me. Let's get out of here." Where could they go? Everywhere they ran, the snow was getting deeper and deeper. Pretty soon they were trapped in the snowdrifts, and they couldn't even fall down. Have you ever been in snow so deep that you couldn't fall over? The mammoths were trapped in the snowdrifts, which buried, then suffocated and froze them within three hours. This is just a theory that seems to fit some of the facts. As the snow deepened, it began to push toward the equator, and the glaciers went racing across the Northern Hemisphere, not three or feet a year like they move today (figures 5-5 and 5-6). The glaciers were roaring across the terrain, possibly hundreds of miles an hour. As the ice pushed out further and further, it carved out all the glacial effects we now see today. They were then covered by two giant cold spots. When cold air meets cold air it rains.
According to Genesis 1:6-7, the earth had a canopy of water around it to protect it. When the cold air from these ice caps began to go out and meet the warm air, it made that canopy of water collapse, and it rained forty days and forty nights. Between the ice coming from outer space, the rain coming down to earth from the canopy, and one more source I will discuss next, the earth was completely covered with water from pole to pole. Some was liquid water and some was frozen water.
The Bible also states in Genesis chapter 7 that the fountains of the deep were broken up. Inside the earth's crust resides a lot of water. That is why you can drill down and strike a well. That is why geysers shoot off, Old Faithful for instance (figure 5-7). There are about eight different geysers around the world named Old Faithful. Geysers shoot out scalding hot water. That's why that near Calistoga, California, people can drill down and use those geothermal vents to turn turbines that produce electricity. If the fountains of the deep were all broken up, maybe this all happened at the start of the flood or because of the flood. Maybe it all happened because of the meteor hitting the earth. If hot water came shooting out of the earth's crust, it would cause some problems on the earth. If you dumped a million gallons into a lake, what would happen to the fish? It would kill them in an instance, wouldn't it? The reason would be due to a condition known as thermal shock. Fish have a certain temperature change that they can withstand per minute. If the temperature changes too quickly, it will kill them. Thermal shock would take place if hot water from beneath the ocean came shooting up into the ocean, and it would kill things in the immediate vicinity.
It is interesting that all around the world there are little tiny diatoms in the ocean (figure 5-9). Diatoms are little microscopic critters. Although they are so tiny that one cannot see them without the aid of a strong microscope, they are beautiful. They have a glass body. Diatoms are all over the ocean, and are very common. When Diatoms become tired of living, they die and fall to the bottom of the ocean. Then when their offspring die, they fall to the bottom, and so on. Pretty soon a layer of Diatoms cover the bottom of the ocean. The Diatoms are rough, angular glass, but they are so small that they feel soft and silky. Diatoms are actually used in shoe polish, car wax, and swimming pool filters. You can buy bags of diatomaceous earth at your local hardware store.
It takes about one-thousand years to accumulate an inch of Diatoms in the bottom of the ocean. There are places like Lompoc, California where the diatomaceous earth is so thick, about 1,500 feet thick, that they dig it out with bulldozers and sell it. Wait a minute! If it takes one-thousand years to accumulate one inch deep, and it is 1,500 feet thick now, wouldn't that prove it has taken millions of years to accumulate that amount of Diatoms? Yes, unless there was a catastrophe like a thermal shock. If the temperature changed too fast in the ocean, all the Diatoms would die at the same time in that area, and they would snow to the bottom. In 1976, workers in Lompoc, California were digging in the diatomaceous earth quarry and found the bones of an eighty-foot baleen whale standing on its tail (figure 5-10) in the diatomaceous earth. Now, hold on just a second! If it takes a thousand years to get an inch of diatomaceous earth, did that whale balance on his tail for millions and millions of years while it slowly filled in around him? Wouldn't you think that is a little far fetched? Do you think that this could be evidence of a catastrophe of some kind? You can literally extract billions of fish fossils out of the diatomaceous earth core there in California. They haul it out by the truck loads. You can buy these fossils for ten cents a piece.
The obvious interpretation would be that there was a catastrophe. The same thing is true with the chalk cliffs of Dover, England (figure 5-11). In Dover the chalk is three hundred feet thick in places. It is pure chalk just like what you use to write on the chalkboard. Chalk is also a microscopic critter that lives in the ocean. When you write on a chalkboard you are rubbing off some of the seashells onto the chalkboard. That's what leaves the yellow and white streaks behind. Don't try to tell me that all the chalk in the world decided to go to Dover, England to die, and this continued for millions of years just so that they could purposely create a big layer of chalk. I think that there is a better explanation like a thermal shock. Hot water came gushing out, killed the chalk in that location.
Noah was floating on top of the water in the ark, and the flood lasted just over a year. As Noah was floating in the ark, hundreds and hundreds and thousands of sediment layers were being deposited below him in the ocean. The earth being completely covered with water and the moon creating tides would cause the tides to lift and settle the ocean. The tides would race around the world changing every six hours and twenty-five minutes causing the tides to reshuffle the sediments on the ocean floor. You can get a jar of dirt out of your yard, put water in it, and shake it up and set it down. The dirt will settle out into layers every time. Gravel will go to the bottom, then sand, clay, and finally top soil. It will create a perfect soil profile every time. The layers of the earth were caused by the flood from the fountains of the deep breaking up, lava layers being there. There would be layers of fish, dirt, and the various other types of sediment. Animals of similar density would tend to be buried together. The reason most dinosaur bones are found in similar layers is most dinosaurs are lizards, and weigh about the same as lizards. The reason birds are found on the top soil of the geologic column is not because they evolved last but because the birds were the last ones to drown in the flood. When they do drown, they float because they have hollow feathers and hollow bones.
The geologic column, the order of the index fossils, has some order to the layers in some places, but there are many places where it's totally out of order. The only reason there is any semblance of order to the so called geologic column is due to hydrologic sorting. Floods automatically sort materials based on density. All of those layers were formed rapidly in one year as the flood took place. There is no other way to explain it. Some of the animals were trapped in the mud right away. Those living at the bottom already, like the clams, and seashells, were buried first. The mud slides were everywhere. Huge beds of them were buried. Those living at higher elevations were buried last, and some of the animals were not buried at all instead they floated around. As they floated, they rotted. As they rotted, they began to fall apart. A head fell off, a tail fell off, a leg fell off, and pretty soon there would be a swirling mass of rotting carcasses of pieces of animals mixed together, as the eddies went all over the place. When they finally were buried and the flood waters receded, there would be a tangled up messes of bones like the dinosaur graveyards that are found all over the world. The picture in figure 5-12 is of a man chiseling out the backbone of an animal that has no legs, head, tail, rib cage attached to it, or teeth marks on the bone. It wasn't torn apart by scavengers. That dinosaur rotted apart in the flood. Right next to it is another back bone bent backwards. Obviously, a flood killed those critters.
If the biblical account of the flood is correct, you would expect to find dinosaur bones and other animal bones, tangled up in giant fossil graveyards, which is the case found all over the world. Fossil graveyards are often two or three miles thick of solid dinosaur bones or other types of bones. Dinosaur bones have been excavated by the tons in the fossil graveyards of Vernal, Utah (figure 5-13). These are different dinosaur bones tangled on top of each other. A flood of global proportion is the only logical explanation.
There are so many hippopotamus bones in places like Sicily (figure 5-14 that they dig them out with bulldozers and use them to make charcoal. Don't try to tell me that all the hippos decided to go to Sicily to die for millions of years. I think that there had to be a flood that buried them all there.
The Bible says in Genesis 8:1, "And God remembered Noah,(it's a good thing by the way) and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged." Asswaged? I was in a debate and one of the professors in the audience said, "Mr. Hovind, is it possible for it to rain so much that it would flood the entire earth?" I said, "Oh, no sir. It could not do it. Not today. There is only enough moisture in the air for it to rain, probably, two inches. This would not flood the whole world. There was a set of circumstances that caused the world to flood in Noah's time. Oceans were not as deep. There were no mountains. An abundance of water was trapped in the atmosphere, plus extra terrestrial water; i.e., ice meteors. On top of that there was subterranean water that erupted. So, yes the world was flooded." He said, "If the world was completely flooded, where did all of the water go?" I said, "That's a good question." He said, "Did it dry up? Did it soak into the ground? What happened to the water?" I said, "No, it didn't dry up. Some soaked into the ground, but very little compared to the volume of water." Genesis 8:1 says that the waters asswaged. The word asswaged means to sink down. The waters actually sank down. Psalms 104:5 tells more about that, "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment." The deep is referencing the oceans. The earth was covered with the deep as with a garment. The earth was completely wrapped up in water. Verse six says, "The waters stood above the mountains." Some people say that the Bible account is referring to a local flood. No, it is not a local flood when the water goes above the mountains and starts to go down the other side. Plus, if it were a local flood, why did God tell Noah to build a boat? Why didn't he just say, "Noah, you need to move, son. It's going to rain. He could have moved just about anywhere in the world in 120 years. I don't see how anybody could believe that. No, it was a world-wide flood. Verse number seven states: "At thy rebuke they fled." "They" refers to the water. At God's rebuke, the waters fled. If the world was covered and surrounded by water and water takes its own level, where could the water go? How could it flee? That's a good question. Continuing with verse seven, "At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away." The water went roaring away. You ask, "Where?" Verse eight says, "They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys..." This is an Old English phrase. We would not say it like that today. We would say, "The mountains ascend; they valleys descend."
Noah was in the ark, along with the animals, the world was completely covered with water, and all of a sudden the mountains began to lift up, and the oceans began to sink down. The earth's crust was cracking up, tilting and shifting. The mountains ascend, the valleys descend. The earth's crust is pretty thin (figure 5-15). You may say, "It feels pretty solid." That's because you don't weigh enough to shake it. It's actually pretty thin. The earth's crust as compared to the size of the earth is thinner than the skin of an apple compared to the apple. The earth's crust is about three miles thick under the ocean. The earth's crust is about thirty miles thick under the continents. Note that it is much thicker under the continents. That has been known for some time. I believe spots where the oceans are today sank down, and the water ran into the hole. The mountains lifted up. Remember the oceans' crust is much thinner that the continents' crust.
Here is an analogy. If your house were filled with three feet of water, and you were to lift one end of the house, the water would run to the opposite end, carrying with it all of the chairs, furniture, books and whatever else was in the water. The faster the building is lifted, the faster the waters run away. If it is lifted slowly, the water runs away slowly. How fast the mountains lifted up determines how fast the waters ran off. How fast the water ran off would determine how deep the canyons were carved. It would be no problem to carve out the Grand Canyon due to the soft sediment. The mountains arose and the valleys descended after the flood. People often say, "There isn't enough water to cover Mt. Everest." The simple answer is that Mt. Everest didn't exist until after the flood. The mountains arose after the flood as proclaimed in Psalms 104. By the way, the mountain ranges on the earth follow the coast lines (figure 5-16). Have you ever looked at a globe and noticed that the Rocky Mountains follow the Pacific coast; the Andes Mountains follow the South Pacific; the Appalachian Mountains follow the North Atlantic; and the Alps follow the Mediterranean? All of the mountain ranges follow the coast lines as if that's the way they broke into place, tilted and shifted, making the water run off and the mountains lift up.
There are fault lines around the world. There is no question that Los Angeles is moving northward. That does not prove that it has been happening for millions of years. That might be left over movement from the flood 4,400 years ago. It's still shifting and moving a little bit. It is also noteworthy that there are rock layers (figures 5-17 and 5-18) found all over the world in bent, twisted, and contorted positions. Have you noticed that rocks don't bend very easily? Layers that are bent and twisted as these were bent while they were soft. After a year-long flood there would be thousands upon thousands of layers of soft mud at the bottom. As the mountains arose some of the layers were twisted, and bend. When they finally hardened over the next few weeks, months or years, they would be stuck in a twisted position. Water ran off leaving behind fossils like the seastars shown in (figure 5-19). Obviously, moving water conditions left them behind. Notice that their legs are all going the same direction. The flood did that.
The top of Mt. Everest is very interesting. Edmund Hillary climbed Mt. Everest in 1953. When he got to the 26,000 foot level, he stuck his pick into the ground to pull himself up when he noticed sea shells. From 26,000 feet all the way to the top at 29,028 feet, the entire top of that mountain is sedimentary rock packed full of seashells. Another interesting thing to note is the seashells were found petrified in a closed position. Now, wait a minute! When a clam dies he opens. Go to the beach and look for seashells. You would be fortunate to find a matched pair. When they die they open, and then, the remains don't last long. Petrified clams can be found in the closed position by the billions on top Mt. Everest.
As I was speaking in Mentone, Alabama, a man asked, "Brother Hovind, do you need some more petrified clams for your display tables?" I said, "Yes, why?" He said, "They're four feet thick in my backyard. When I dig down a short distance, I encounter petrified clams. There are millions of them." There are enough petrified clams in the closed position to build a ten-lane highway from New York to San Francisco. Clams in the closed position are one of the most common fossils in the world. Do you know what that shows to me? That shows me that they were buried alive, and when they woke up dead, they couldn't even open. They are found like that all over the world. It is evidence of the judgment of God. When the judgment of God came, it was too late. It was all over. Mt. Everest is full of petrified seashells at the top? How do you explain that? The evolutionists say, "That's no problem. That area uplifted over several hundred-million years." No, I believe that it uplifted very quickly. Psalms 104 tells about the mountains lifting up, and the valleys sinking down after the flood.
This is going to sound strange, but I believe that the oceans were smaller after the flood. You say, "Dr. Hovind, run that by me again." When the world was covered with water, thin spots sank down, mountains lifted up, and water ran into the holes, making the oceans smaller after the flood? Yes, if the oceans were smaller, then the continents would be larger. If the continents were larger, they would all be connected. The oceans have two distinctive parts: (1). The abyss is one part, which is the deep regions of the oceans. The abyss averages about 13,000 to 15,000 feet deep. Many people ask if there is enough water in the ocean to cover the earth. There is enough water in the ocean right now to cover the earth 12,000 feet deep everywhere -- if the earth were smooth. It would be two miles deep everywhere. There is plenty of water in the ocean to drown everybody. (2). The other part of the ocean is the continental shelf. If you walk into the ocean, it is rather shallow. Sometimes you can go out for hundreds of miles before it reaches even 500 to 1,000 feet deep. All of a sudden at about 1,000 feet deep, it drops off to 15,000 feet deep. It looks as if the shelf was once the beach. I believe that it was. There are numerous erosion marks at the continental rise where it changes from the abyss to the continental shelf. There are also numerous underwater canyons. You may wander where is all this extra water. Remember, there are still two giant ice caps. There is a massive amount of water trapped at the North and South Poles in the form of ice caps that reach as far south as what is now Kansas City. If the oceans were smaller, the continents would be bigger, and one could walk anyplace in the world. For the first, one-hundred or so years after the flood, people could walk anyplace in the world. All of the continents were connected because the oceans were lower. England was not an island, but rather part of the mainland. The English channel was just a valley that later filled in with water.
The map shown in figure 5-22 illustrates the river planes of the Mississippi drainage area. I believe that the Gulf of Mexico must have sunk in slowly, and all the Mississippi drainage area drained off slowly leaving behind nice big flat planes like Kansas, Nebraska, Illinois, and Iowa. Other places like the Rocky Mountains must have lifted up faster causing the water to run off faster leaving behind more rugged terrain such as the Grand Canyon. If you ever fly over Utah and Nevada area, you will see that it looks as if somebody left the hose running before the grass started growing. It's a mess. I believe that it all happened rapidly as the flood waters ran off. It all depends on how fast the mountains lifted up. The reason the Appalachian Mountains are more rounded is not because they are older, but because they lifted up slower. The Rocky Mountains are more rugged not because they are younger, but because they lifted up faster, causing them to break up more.
Water was trapped in huge sections of the earth, and later broke through and formed the canyons (figure 5-23). One textbook states, "Over millions of years the Colorado River formed the Grand Canyon from solid rock." Now, hold on just a second! This is based on several faulty assumptions. Those rock layers that the Grand Canyon run through are obviously sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock is formed from layers of mud that turned into rock. If those layers are really millions of years different in age, as they state in textbooks, wouldn't you suppose if one layer was exposed for a couple of million years there would be canyons cut into that layer before the next one was put on top? Why don't we see any canyons in between the layers? Why are all the layers nice and neatly stacked on top of each other? There ought to be erosion marks in between those layers, and there aren't any. If that layer was exposed for millions of years, don't you believe that maybe some meteors would fall on it? We find meteors all over the world, and yet no one has ever found a fossilized meteorite. No one has ever found a meteor in any layer except the top layer of the earth. Those layers were not exposed for millions of years, and the Colorado River did not make the Grand Canyon. The Colorado River just happens to flow through the crack. The flood made the Grand Canyon in a couple of hours. A lot of water moving through soft mud can make a Grand Canyon in a couple hours with no problem. As the Rocky Mountains lifted up, and the water ran off through the soft mud, it washed out in a hurry.
The same thing happened fifteen years ago with Mount Saint Helens (figure 5-24). You may remember when Mount Saint Helens erupted. My sister lived sixty miles north of there in Puyallup, Washington. She got ash all over her yard from the Mount Saint Helens' eruption. When the mountain erupted on May 18, 1980, about 8:00 in the morning, it was reported to blow up straight out of the top (Figure 5-25). It was equivalent to an atomic bomb going off ever second for nine hours straight. That is the equivalent of nearly 30,000 atomic bombs going off in that mountain. It started to blow off the top, and immediately the north slope collapsed and slid down the hill. The volcano then began to blow out toward the north. As the ash, water, and steam came out of the volcano, it melted all of the glaciers on the mountain (figure 5-26). It produced a scalding hot mud slide that slid down the valley. The scalding hot mud went racing down the valley ripping down everything in its path (figure 5-27). The mud slid all the way down and blocked off the Toutle River to the point that it completely stopped the river from flowing.
Maybe as a child you went out and dammed up a creek to make yourself a fishing hole or a swimming hole. What happens when you stop up a creek? The creek becomes deeper and deeper behind the dam, and pretty soon the water goes over the top. The dam then washes out, especially if you are building it out of soft mud. Once it starts over the top, the dam doesn't last. The Toutle River was stopped for five days as the mud flowed across (figure 5-28). Five days later the water got deep enough that the water began to go over the top of the mud slide. Once it started washing over the top, it started washing out canyons in a hurry (figure 5-29). It washed out a canyon 140 feet deep, 1,000 feet wide, and 2,000 feet long in fifteen minutes. A miniature Grand Canyon 140 feet deep in fifteen minutes? It is no problem if you have a lot of water backed up behind soft mud. When the mud is flowing, it automatically separates into different densities. When the canyon washed out and then dried, scientists went down into that brand new canyon that was just formed a few days earlier. They noticed that the sides of the canyons were arrange in nice neat layers (figure 5-30). It looks just like the Grand Canyon, and they were scratching their heads and saying, "Wait a minute! We thought it took millions of years for layers to form like this. It can be done in fifteen minutes?" The world wide-flood formed almost all the canyon features of the world. In the past 4,400 years, some have been formed, but no, it didn't take millions of years.
The textbooks state that it is rather puzzling about the Grand Canyon. The Colorado River loops back and forth through the Grand Canyon. A slow moving low gradient river like the Mississippi River has lots of loops and meanders in it. A fast moving, high gradient stream is relatively straight, and has steep sides, but the Grand Canyon is both looping and steep sided (figure 5-31). Therefore, the textbooks state that it is a puzzle about the Grand Canyon. How were they formed? Is it young or is it old? Was it slow moving or fast moving?
They have it all wrong. The Colorado River didn't even make that canyon. The flood made the Grand Canyon. The Colorado River just happens to flow in the crack left behind. That's all!
When Mount Saint Helens erupted, it blew thousands and thousands of trees for 150 square miles down into Spirit Lake, and some are still floating there today (figure 5-32). They were flattened like toothpicks. I flew over that area four years after the eruption had occurred, and it was unbelievable the amount of devastation that took place. Trees were down everywhere. These were not small trees; many were six to eight feet in diameter. With all of their branches stripped off, they looked like toothpicks.
The trees floating in Spirit Lake were very interesting. The log mat that was floating in the lake displaced three square miles. There were thousands upon thousands of trees floating around. Within a few days, some of the trees began to become waterlogged. The trees were wrenched out the ground so forcefully that the internal parts of the trees were exposed, allowing them to absorb water. Within a few days, weeks, and months, many of them were completely soaked. Instead of floating in the prone position, some of the trees began to float in the upright position with just the tips sticking up above the water (figure 5-33). As they soaked full of water, the trees began to sink to the bottom and stick in the mud at the bottom of Spirit Lake. As the trees stuck in the mud just barely floating, more layers of mud settled in around them. Every time there was another little volcanic eruption, minor activity, or just a storm, more dirt, ash, and debris, washed off the already eroded hillside. Seasonal changes caused leaves to accumulate, and the trees rolling around and knocking against each other caused the bark to fall off and settle to the bottom. Layer after layer after layer of dirt, ash, mud, bark, and all types of sediment settled at the bottom of Spirit Lake. Thousands of those trees are buried at the bottom today. The log mat only displaces two square miles today. One square mile of trees have sunk to the bottom. It is estimated that over 20,000 trees are stuck in the bottom of the lake. Scuba divers have gone under the log mat, and guess what? Most of the trees are stuck in a standing position. Some of them are already fifteen feet deep in mud. This only happened fifteen years ago. Do you know what is going to happen to those trees? They are going to petrify, and they will petrify in a standing position running through all the different layers. This is the same condition that was discussed in chapter four about the petrified trees standing upright through many layers of strata. They will petrify in the same manner as was shown in figures 4-4 and 4-5.
Some ask me, "Brother Hovind, doesn't it take millions of years for wood to petrify?" No, it can happen fairly quickly. It can be accomplished in a laboratory in about two years. If you bury a block of wood in mud with plenty of minerals, and put it under pressure, it will petrify in two years. I was speaking in Union City, Tennessee, when a man came to me and said, "Brother Hovind, how long does it take wood to petrify?" I said, "Well, it can be done in the laboratory in two years." He said, "The strangest thing happened at our shop. I work in a shop where we make wood pallets. About twenty five years ago we had a bad storm, and the hillside slid down and covered up a bunch of our pallets in mud. The boss told us not to bother with digging them out, but rather we would just make new ones. Last week, we were digging across that area to put in a sewer line, and hit some of those pallets. They had been in the ground for only twenty five years, and they had petrified." These pallets had turned to stone. He went on to say, "I couldn't believe it. Petrified in just twenty five years!"
I was in Iowa preaching where some farmers told me that when they were kids they had buried a bunch of fence posts. The posts began to rot off and the grandkids tried to pull the fence posts up to put new ones in. The tops were rotted, but the bottoms were petrified. This took place in just thirty years in Iowa soil.
In the summer of 1993, I was preaching at a camp in St. Clair, Missouri. An old-timer came to me and asked, "Brother Hovind, how long does it take wood to petrify?" I said, "Brother, not too long under good conditions." He said, "I have a spring on my property called Blue Mud, because the mud looks kind of blue there. This spring bubbles up out of the ground with a blue-colored mud all around it. When I was a youngster, there was an old man that would come over all the time and bury hard rock maple blocks in my blue mud spring. He would carve or cut them into the shape of blocks and bury them in the mud. When he returned in two or three years and removed them, he had hone stones to sharpen his knife." They would petrify in two or three years in the blue mud of St. Clair, Missouri. Almost all of the petrified wood in the world was formed due to the flood. The same thing is true for fossils of other types. They fossilized very rapidly. As the mountains lifted up, the pressure would increase and convert some of the sedimentary layers to metamorphic rocks. They were changed due to the pressure and heat. If you visit Yellowstone National Park, you can see petrified trees standing up (figure 5-34). There are twenty-seven different layers represented by these trees. Some of the trees from the bottom layers extend up through the next few layers. The guides will try to tell you that this proves that there were twenty-seven consecutive forests. No, no! If there were twenty-seven consecutive forests petrified over millions of years, why is it that none of the trees are over 500 years old? I believe that all of those trees were ripped out by the flood. The twenty-seven different layers were deposited on top of them, and some of the trees run through layers up above them. Another interesting point is, these trees were petrified in a standing position. What is going to happen when the dirt washes away from around them, and the trees fall? They are going to break or shatter. Have you ever cut firewood? When you cut the tree down, it does not automatically break up into logs for you. Have you ever noticed that phenomenon before? You have to saw it up into logs. The petrified forests in Calistoga, California, Flora Mississippi, or in Arizona, have petrified logs that are broken up (figure 5-35). It looks as if the trees fell over after they were already petrified.
Genesis 8:3a says, "And the waters returned from off the earth continually..." Many of the modern translations have really messed up that verse. They should have left it alone. They tried to make it more understandable. Some of the translations state, "The water kept decreasing off the earth." That is not what happened. The Hebrew phrase, "Halak-va-shub" means the water was going and returning. When they tried to make it more readable, they totally lost the meaning of this passage. The water was not steadily decreasing, rather it was going and returning. Think back to the analogy where we filled your house full of water. If your house was three feet deep in water, and one side was picked up, all the water would rush to one end. Is it going to stay there? No, it's going to slosh back up, and then come down, and then back up again. The water is going to be going and returning as it gradually looses its energy. If the mountains lifted up and the valleys sank down and became the oceans, the water would rush into the hole, and then tidal waves would rush back and forth across the ocean, causing secondary erosion. As Noah was calmly sitting in the ark, the tidal waves would race back and forth, and all of a sudden he hit bottom. He looked out and saw that all of the water was rushing away from him. He said, "Yea, Lord! The flood is over! Can I get out?" The Lord said, "No Noah, stay right there son. The water is coming back." A few days later, maybe it was a week, the water came back and moved the ark four or five miles. By then, Noah had apparently cut off the anchor stones, those big 9,000 pound rocks hanging over the side for ballast. The anchor stones were found four or five miles away from the boat, if Ron Wyatt's discovery is Noah's ark.
The rock layers were bent and lifted up as shown in figure 5-36. After this, secondary erosion wiped the layer smooth and new layers were deposited on top, as shown in figure 5-37. That is why we find strange rock layers like Garden of the God's in Colorado Springs. Rock layers are found standing up. That is why there are dinosaur foot prints found at forty-five degree angles in the Red Rock Amphitheater outside Denver, Colorado. Dinosaur footprints are all over that place. Did dinosaurs walk on hillsides at a forty-five degree angle? No, the land was all flat. They laid their prints down, and then the ground was lifted up afterwards -- the mountains arose.
The textbooks state that it took billions of years to form the Grand Canyon. That is just not true. It was formed rapidly. Features such as those shown in figure 5-38, formed in ten minutes. A miniature version of that can be made in ten minutes out in your yard with a pile of dirt and a water hose. You could wash it away and leave features like that with John Wayne riding around or something like that. The tour guides will tell you that it took millions of years to form the Grand Canyon and the Bad Lands. How do you know that sir? He will say, "Well, we only get about twelve inches of rain out here every year. You can tell by the hardness of the rock, and the amount of rain we get that it would take millions of years to make these Bad Lands." Well now sir, you are assuming that the rock hardness has always been the same. What if it was all soft mud, and there was 500 feet of water running through there? The Bad Lands could be formed in about fifteen minutes, couldn't it? Was it a little bit of water over lots of time, or was it lots of water over a little time? There is a big difference. Those places formed rapidly.
As I stated earlier, I believe that all of the continents were connected after the flood. People could walk anyplace in the world. If the ocean was lowered, you could walk anyplace in the world. For the first one-hundred years, the oceans were smaller, the continents were bigger, and the ice caps were huge, trapping lots of water. In the first one-hundred years of history after the flood, the Tower of Babel incident took place, and God confused the languages. The people spread out across the world could walk anywhere they wanted to go. As the water level rose because of the icecaps melting, they became trapped in certain regions. The people then developed peculiar traits. The Australian Aborigines have a small cap muscle; the Indians have higher cheek bones; and the Norwegians have blond hair. They all developed these peculiar traits as small inbreeding groups were trapped in localized areas after the flood.
The Bible says in Genesis 10:25, "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided..." The earth was divided in the days of Peleg? Peleg was born one-hundred years after the flood. If you look at the longevity chart in chapter 1 (figure 1-6), you will notice that Noah begat Shem. Shem begat Arphaxad. Arphaxad begat Salah. Salah begat Eber, and Eber begat Peleg. Peleg was born one-hundred years after the flood. I think that it took one-hundred years for those icecaps to melt. It would take a long time for a big block of ice to melt. As the ice melted back from Kansas City, it left behind Drumlins, Terminal Moraines, and glaciers. This would take a long time. The bigger the block of ice, the longer that it takes to melt. Icebergs float around sometimes for five years before they melt in the ocean. Ice that reached all the way to Kansas City would take one-hundred years to melt back to Alaska. As it melted, it slowly raised the ocean level. That explains to me why we find underwater flat-top mountains called guyots. The mountains come up, and they are cut off flat 1,000 feet under water. This also explains why there is a continental shelf. At one time there was a beach way out there at the edge of the continental shelf. This also explains why there are so many legends of lost cities like Atlantis and Poseidon. I imagine that within the first few hundred years, cities were built close to the beach much as they do in Pensacola where I live. As the water kept coming up further and further, the cities had to be abandoned. Maybe this explains why there are some unusual features under water. In Bermuda, they have found large cut stones on the ocean floor as if someone was constructing a building thirty feet under water. What appears to be a four-lane highway running off the Yucatan Peninsula has been found under the Gulf of Mexico. Who would build a highway under the Gulf of Mexico? Maybe it wasn't under the Gulf of Mexico, "...for in his days was the earth divided..."
The purpose of this chapter is to give you an alternative to what you have been taught in school. The Bible warns us in I Timothy chapter 6 to be careful about what is so-called science. Evolution is not science! It has nothing to do with science. It should not be in the science textbooks. Statements like "billion of years ago..." is not scientifically provable and should not be in the textbooks. No one can prove that the world is billions of years old, but if you pick up any earth science textbook, it will tell you that the earth is billions of years old. That theme is all through the public school textbooks.
Whats your thoughts on that theory?
one final post (I hope). The world could have been created in 6 days, if you consider that the concept of "day" did not have to be 24hrs until a time when God decided to make it so. I know, that doesnt account for why He would do it that way-but it does account for the 6 days issue, and there are people who can actually discuss this issue better than I can.
to DRGrim: the game thing was originally stated by IBhacknU ". Jesus aint the only game in town" I simply used a little play on words to say that I agreed with him but that I did not believe Jesus was a game. I would not have originally said that had IBhacknU not said it first. Perhaps I should have been more careful.
You also qoute me as saying "It saddens me that they are blinded" I don't remember saying that but if I didn't then I'll say it now. I truly feel that way.
I do not see how you condemn me for this. You say, "Especially since I know that I am right" When you say that you know that you are right that automatically implies that all in contradiction to you are wrong. That is what you said. Now you saying this does not anger me. I as above mentioned am sadden by your blindness. Perhaps you are saddened by what you perceive as my blindness. Perhaps not.
Everyone here (at least as far as I can tell) thinks that he or she is right. If you use right and wrong then you must believe in absolutes else there is no right and wrong. So everyone here believes that all in contradiction to his or herself are wrong.
It's kind of like if you think the Vikings are going to win the Super Bowl and I think the Titans are. I obviously think you are wrong. You obviously think I am wrong else you would be in agreement with me. This does not offend me.
Now I do think I should hve used better judgement and not answer IBhacknU according to his folly. For that I apologize. I do believe you are wrong if you don't believe what I believe but there is no point in calling your beliefs a game, even if I was just quoting IBhacknU.
You also qoute me as saying "It saddens me that they are blinded" I don't remember saying that but if I didn't then I'll say it now. I truly feel that way.
I do not see how you condemn me for this. You say, "Especially since I know that I am right" When you say that you know that you are right that automatically implies that all in contradiction to you are wrong. That is what you said. Now you saying this does not anger me. I as above mentioned am sadden by your blindness. Perhaps you are saddened by what you perceive as my blindness. Perhaps not.
Everyone here (at least as far as I can tell) thinks that he or she is right. If you use right and wrong then you must believe in absolutes else there is no right and wrong. So everyone here believes that all in contradiction to his or herself are wrong.
It's kind of like if you think the Vikings are going to win the Super Bowl and I think the Titans are. I obviously think you are wrong. You obviously think I am wrong else you would be in agreement with me. This does not offend me.
Now I do think I should hve used better judgement and not answer IBhacknU according to his folly. For that I apologize. I do believe you are wrong if you don't believe what I believe but there is no point in calling your beliefs a game, even if I was just quoting IBhacknU.
BoberFett
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I've always wondered where the description of creation came from. If humans weren't created until several "days" into the process, then Genesis, or at least the first several chapters of it, are just a story. Where did Moses(?) hear the story from?
jaydee, I glanced over the articles that you posted (and I sure hope you cut and pasted them, though I'm pretty sure you did). Your comment at the beginning seemed to say that there were a lot of things that Christians can't explain. I would tender that there are a great deal of things that Christians CAN explain, and many of the things that we can't (nor can anybody else), really don't conflict with the Christian faith or worldview. I wondered about Pangea once, and there is nothing about it that conflicts with the Bible. As for evolution, I've heard theories of "Christian Evolution," although I don't subscribe to them.
It seems your article didn't serve its purpose. Although, I'm wondering about its purpose in the first place. It was quite a long article, which probably didn't encourage many readers. If you would like, I can post a lot of holes and evidence against evolution, but I would probably list the thread under a different title.
It seems your article didn't serve its purpose. Although, I'm wondering about its purpose in the first place. It was quite a long article, which probably didn't encourage many readers. If you would like, I can post a lot of holes and evidence against evolution, but I would probably list the thread under a different title.
Actually Bober, a good case has been made that many authors wrote Genesis, and you see the break where one of them left off, by the words "and this in the day of...". It's believed that Moses simply collected written words and put them together, and recieved the credit. Every word is God inspired. There is no reason to think that everyday was not 24 hours. If memory serves me correct, plants were made a day or 2 before the sun. If it had been 1 billion year days those plants, probably would have had a tough time growing don't you think? Although God could raise them of course, but why would he make something, take a billion years off, make something else, take another billion years off ect. It's illogical, thats why I reject it.
No, Semper_Fi, those are not from the "evolutionists dictionary". They are from the scientists dictionary. Theory DOES NOT mean that only when applied to evolution, it means that in all scientific disciplines. Nowhere in that statement did it say that this only applies to evolution. YOU made that up. Scientists are not "twisting" definitions. I would use these same definitions in any other scientific situation.
That definition of "fact" is correct. There is no way to rigorously prove anything as a fact in the real world. To completely prove something means you must prove that it holds for every case possible. This is possible in mathematics, but obviously not so in the real world.
I don't have a problem with people posting facts or opinions. But when you make up lies such as these off the top of your head, it is quite aggravating.
That definition of "fact" is correct. There is no way to rigorously prove anything as a fact in the real world. To completely prove something means you must prove that it holds for every case possible. This is possible in mathematics, but obviously not so in the real world.
I don't have a problem with people posting facts or opinions. But when you make up lies such as these off the top of your head, it is quite aggravating.
Actually, jhu, I'm inclined to believe that the days Genesis refers to are actually 24 hour periods. I looked into it quite a bit actually. It isn't something that my faith hinges upon, but it was something that I was interested in. The two tangible things I can remember are:
The Greek for "day" is the same used throughout the old testament to refer to a 24hr period of time.
Keeping in mind that a "day" in the ancient times (Old and New Testament) was defined as the period from sunset to sunset, it follows that the Bible includes, "And there was evening, and there was morning-- the third day." (Gen 1:13) The words weren't put in just for the sake of writing, but because they are important and significant.
Now, it doesn't change the message of salvation whether the days are literal or not, but it is an interesting topic. The Bible was written not for God, but for us, so its very likely that the measure of a day might have been used just so we could have some way of understanding it. We can't even comprehend God, but instances like these try to help us picture things in a limited sense. Good question! I hope this helps.
The Greek for "day" is the same used throughout the old testament to refer to a 24hr period of time.
Keeping in mind that a "day" in the ancient times (Old and New Testament) was defined as the period from sunset to sunset, it follows that the Bible includes, "And there was evening, and there was morning-- the third day." (Gen 1:13) The words weren't put in just for the sake of writing, but because they are important and significant.
Now, it doesn't change the message of salvation whether the days are literal or not, but it is an interesting topic. The Bible was written not for God, but for us, so its very likely that the measure of a day might have been used just so we could have some way of understanding it. We can't even comprehend God, but instances like these try to help us picture things in a limited sense. Good question! I hope this helps.
Napalm, this is a friendly thread. I'm sorry if people post things that are unsupported, but accusing people of lying is pretty harsh. John Wooden, a great guy, said once that it is perfectly fine to disagree, but that it doesn't give us liberty to be disagreeable. I hope you aren't finding people to be too disagreeable.
I agree, I am attempting to keep this friendly. But when he posts things like this: So theory only means that when applied to evolution? that are completely and utterly false, I will defend myself as necessary. As I stated before, theory does not mean that only when applied to evolution. It applies to scientific disciplines in general.
As for jaydees laughable young-earth theory, it's too late to attempt to read and digest it and form a lengthy response, but suffice to say that any geologist would have a good laugh at it. No one can prove that the world is billions of years old,, but there is hell of a lot more evidence supporting that idea then the concept of of an earth a few thousand years old. Incidentally, the "Tower of Babel" concept is also ludicrous and an insult to linguists the world over. Then again, what else should I expect from somebody who once argued against the basics laws of atomic physics?
As for jaydees laughable young-earth theory, it's too late to attempt to read and digest it and form a lengthy response, but suffice to say that any geologist would have a good laugh at it. No one can prove that the world is billions of years old,, but there is hell of a lot more evidence supporting that idea then the concept of of an earth a few thousand years old. Incidentally, the "Tower of Babel" concept is also ludicrous and an insult to linguists the world over. Then again, what else should I expect from somebody who once argued against the basics laws of atomic physics?
Sigh. I can't believe I even started reading Jaydee's entertaining little theory, but a few paragraphs in I was sooooo pissed off at the inaccuracies that I just had to stop.
Aside from the inaccuracies and totally moronic claims, this is one theory by one person. In order for a theory to be proven correct is has to be shown to be correct over and over and by more than just one person.
Aside from the inaccuracies and totally moronic claims, this is one theory by one person. In order for a theory to be proven correct is has to be shown to be correct over and over and by more than just one person.
I don't mind the Christians, except the ones who think they know what's better for me. Same for every religion. I can't stand self-righteousness. For me, religion is not a team sport, so I don't need any of that "Mine is better then yours" crap.
seems everyone has a theroy but no one has proof. Maybe that's where faith comes in. Well guess what... I've got none of that either.
VisionsUCI says,
<< I personally checked out quite a few "religions" before finding truth in Christianity >>
So here's my question to VisionsUCI or anyone else. If Christianity is the 'true' religion... the 'correct' religion, what does that make all the other religions out there? I'm thinking there are a billion folks in China and a few more in India that might be interested in the TRUTH.
VisionsUCI says,
<< I personally checked out quite a few "religions" before finding truth in Christianity >>
So here's my question to VisionsUCI or anyone else. If Christianity is the 'true' religion... the 'correct' religion, what does that make all the other religions out there? I'm thinking there are a billion folks in China and a few more in India that might be interested in the TRUTH.
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<< jaydee, I glanced over the articles that you posted (and I sure hope you cut and pasted them, though I'm pretty sure you did). >>
Yes...
<< Your comment at the beginning seemed to say that there were a lot of things that Christians can't explain. I would tender that there are a great deal of things that Christians CAN explain, and many of the things that we can't (nor can anybody else), really don't conflict with the Christian faith or worldview. I wondered about Pangea once, and there is nothing about it that conflicts with the Bible. As for evolution, I've heard theories of "Christian Evolution," although I don't subscribe to them. >>
I didn't know how to explain the many crators on the moon for only 6000 years, I couldn't the tilt of the earth. I couldn't explain cracks in the earth. I couldn't explain many other things. But when I came across this I found it had an explaination for those things (and a satifiable one at that). Certainly, I can't prove it %100 correct, but you sure can't prove it wrong. I never said they conflicted with the Bible. Nowhere does it conflicts with the Bible. Christian evolution just doesn't make sense, thats why the majority don't go along with that.
<< It seems your article didn't serve its purpose. Although, I'm wondering about its purpose in the first place. It was quite a long article, which probably didn't encourage many readers. If you would like, I can post a lot of holes and evidence against evolution, but I would probably list the thread under a different title. >>
Despite a few negative critics, I have aroused the attention of others, to look at it from a different angle, other than evoution. I consider it serving its purpose. It was quite long because, sometimes it takes many words to describle something. I don't think I could sum it up without taking away content very well on this one.
<< jaydee, I glanced over the articles that you posted (and I sure hope you cut and pasted them, though I'm pretty sure you did). >>
Yes...
<< Your comment at the beginning seemed to say that there were a lot of things that Christians can't explain. I would tender that there are a great deal of things that Christians CAN explain, and many of the things that we can't (nor can anybody else), really don't conflict with the Christian faith or worldview. I wondered about Pangea once, and there is nothing about it that conflicts with the Bible. As for evolution, I've heard theories of "Christian Evolution," although I don't subscribe to them. >>
I didn't know how to explain the many crators on the moon for only 6000 years, I couldn't the tilt of the earth. I couldn't explain cracks in the earth. I couldn't explain many other things. But when I came across this I found it had an explaination for those things (and a satifiable one at that). Certainly, I can't prove it %100 correct, but you sure can't prove it wrong. I never said they conflicted with the Bible. Nowhere does it conflicts with the Bible. Christian evolution just doesn't make sense, thats why the majority don't go along with that.
<< It seems your article didn't serve its purpose. Although, I'm wondering about its purpose in the first place. It was quite a long article, which probably didn't encourage many readers. If you would like, I can post a lot of holes and evidence against evolution, but I would probably list the thread under a different title. >>
Despite a few negative critics, I have aroused the attention of others, to look at it from a different angle, other than evoution. I consider it serving its purpose. It was quite long because, sometimes it takes many words to describle something. I don't think I could sum it up without taking away content very well on this one.
Anyone else ever notice how many posts any religious thread gets. BTW, I'm atheist. Never going back to Christianity or any other religion.
Boberfett;
<...I'm going to....show in simple terms, how logic and reason fail. Let's use math,...the most logical system I know... ...Slowly but surely, scientists are gathering information to find parts of the original equation. To illustrate 1 + 3 + 2 + 4 + x = 10... ... So x = 1, right? Wrong. x could just as easily be 3^3 - (5 x 3) + 7...>
Yep, you more than adequately demonstrated how logic and reason can fail: x = 0.
<...I'm going to....show in simple terms, how logic and reason fail. Let's use math,...the most logical system I know... ...Slowly but surely, scientists are gathering information to find parts of the original equation. To illustrate 1 + 3 + 2 + 4 + x = 10... ... So x = 1, right? Wrong. x could just as easily be 3^3 - (5 x 3) + 7...>
Yep, you more than adequately demonstrated how logic and reason can fail: x = 0.
Something Witty,
I've just finished a New Testament class here at Baylor, and this is what they taught me: Jesus was sentenced to death by lies of the Pharisees (Jewish religion experts), but actually sentenced by Pontius Pilate, a Roman official. I don't know whether or not Pontius Pilate was Jewish, but he did try to talk the Roman government and the Sanhedrin (Jewish religious judiciary) out of it. I hope that answers your question.
I've just finished a New Testament class here at Baylor, and this is what they taught me: Jesus was sentenced to death by lies of the Pharisees (Jewish religion experts), but actually sentenced by Pontius Pilate, a Roman official. I don't know whether or not Pontius Pilate was Jewish, but he did try to talk the Roman government and the Sanhedrin (Jewish religious judiciary) out of it. I hope that answers your question.
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