Christians on Decline, Non-believers Skyrocketing in US

[realibrad]

Well...apparently if the US only gets hit with "only" 300 nukes from France it could consider it a win
So ya...

Google warrior I see. Having 300 nukes does not make them ICBM. France does not have 300 International ballistic missiles. This is obviously subject you know very little about.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You may want to go back because I think you might have me confused with someone else. We talked about how Muslims make a disproportionate amount of religious terrorists, but that in the US we were unlikely to be effected by that.

Here you go

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37393311#post37393311

It started with the secular thing, and then you went on and on

 

[Orignal Earl]

Google warrior I see. Having 300 nukes does not make them ICBM. France does not have 300 International ballistic missiles. This is obviously subject you know very little about.

Oh Jesus...ya I should of known you were a mil expert
I see your pretty much an expert on most topics

 

[realibrad]

Here you go

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37393311#post37393311

It started with the secular thing, and then you went on and on

Ok, so yes, you are confused as to what went on.

I said.

The US started its society as mainly secular. While the founding fathers believed in a god, they wanted to set up a government that was agnostic

You took that statement to mean that the government was set up as agnostic instead of secular. My statement was that the government was set up to believe both things.

Then I said.

The laws passed are secular, and the view on religion from the perspective of the state is agnostic.

Your response was that I had described it earlier incorrectly, but I did not, because I never described anything. But, its true that the US was mainly secular in the laws passed, but the founding fathers were still theists, so mainly secular is accurate in describing the government they set up originally. They included at the date section of the constitution "year of our lord", because religion was so intertwined in society. So, the state was both agnostic and secular. I dont know why you thought I was saying something mutually exclusive, but I was not, so that was a misunderstanding on your end.

As for me going on and on, again, that is not true.

You questioned me on post 429.
I responded in post 430 saying it was late and I would explain more in the morning. Nothing long there.
I then responded in post 443 saying to look up a few key figures who worked on the founding of the nation. Again, short.
You responded in post 444 with...

Ya?
The US is a secular state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state

Then all the way in post 461, I made the statement that better explained so you could understand.

I dont think you understand the words being used.

The laws passed are secular, and the view on religion from the perspective of the state is agnostic.

Are you having trouble understanding that?

So where was the going on and on part.

Lets recap.
I made an accurate claim on the religious nature of the US being secular and agnostic.
I made the claim that Muslims make up a disproportionate number of religious terrorists.
I made the claim the US could defeat any country in the world if it were to attack their military.

You are disputed all of those, even though they are objective and empirical.

 

[realibrad]

Oh Jesus...ya I should of known you were a mil expert
I see your pretty much an expert on most topics

I never said I was an expert. I do have much more knowledge than you on this it would seem. Knowing the difference between having 300 nukes, and 300 nukes that could reach the US is kinda important in your claim that they could hit the US with 300 nukes.

You put a lot of words into people's mouths. I never said I was an expert, but you try and use that to build a straw man to refute my claims. You don't seem to have any real arguments. So far, every time I have see you post, its been to try and pick apart someones claim, but you fail to do so, because you don't have a basic understanding of the topic.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ok, so yes, you are confused as to what went on.

 

[realibrad]

Ok, so yes, you are confused as to what went on.

Not going to explain?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Not going to explain?

You've run your numbers and the US can kick any countries ass
I don't have even a basic understanding of the topic
I should not of even tried to think you could be wrong
I'll now hang my head in shame

 

[realibrad]

You've run your numbers and the US can kick any countries ass
I don't have even a basic understanding of the topic
I should not of even tried to think you could be wrong
I'll now hang my head in shame

I think you meant to say country's ass. I suppose you did not mean to imply multiple countries shared a single ass.

Countries = plural.
Country's = possessive.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I think you meant to say country's ass. I suppose you did not mean to imply multiple countries shared a single ass.

Countries = plural.
Country's = possessive.

Once again I hang my head in shame, it's almost unbearable

 

[Nebor]

I knew this thread would devolve into the same old argument about a Franco-American nuclear war, but I made it anyway.

 

[JSt0rm]

I knew this thread would devolve into the same old argument about a Franco-American nuclear war, but I made it anyway.

 

[bshole]

Had a discussion with my evangelical brother yesterday. I laid out the case FROM BIBLE VERSES that God doesn't torture his creations for eternity, he just terminates them. Holy shit did I piss him off. In a fit of rage, he said he hopes and prays that hell exists as he imagines and that all unbelievers will burn in it for eternity. I was like, whoa, that is really really FUCKED up. I quickly dropped the topic. I have found that I cannot discuss Christianity with my family in any terms other than loving adoration of God and admonitions that we must be saved. Any in depth discussion and they quickly become enraged. They have no problem PROSELYTIZING to me and shoving their world view in my face (AND I NEVER EVER RESPOND IN ANGER). I always come out as the bad guy if I point out stuff in the Bible to them IN RESPONSE TO THEM PREACHING TO ME!!!

“Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad the road that leads to destruction and many enter through it, (14) but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)

“For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16)

For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. (Romans 8:13)

The one who sows to please the sinful nature from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the spirit, from the spirit will reap eternal life. (Galatians 6:8)
The truly righteous man attains life, but He who pursues evil goes to his death 2 (Proverbs 11:19)

http://www.truthaccordingtoscriptur...of-eternal-torture/chapter-1.php#.VWPb6k_BzRY

 

[desy]

And that is the problem with religion, those who choose blind faith and literal word when your spiritual journey is supposed to be one of discovery and growth.

Its why as pointed out in the first post Christianity is in decline and that means organized religion. People gravitate towards agnostic because they believe in something bigger than themselves but not the fire and brimstone rigid interpretations

 

[mindmajick]

And that is the problem with religion, those who choose blind faith and literal word when your spiritual journey is supposed to be one of discovery and growth.

Its why as pointed out in the first post Christianity is in decline and that means organized religion. People gravitate towards agnostic because they believe in something bigger than themselves but not the fire and brimstone rigid interpretations

Agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve in a higher power.

 

[desy]

Sorry meant agnostic theism

 

[Subyman]

Had a discussion with my evangelical brother yesterday. I laid out the case FROM BIBLE VERSES that God doesn't torture his creations for eternity, he just terminates them. Holy shit did I piss him off. In a fit of rage, he said he hopes and prays that hell exists as he imagines and that all unbelievers will burn in it for eternity. I was like, whoa, that is really really FUCKED up. I quickly dropped the topic. I have found that I cannot discuss Christianity with my family in any terms other than loving adoration of God and admonitions that we must be saved. Any in depth discussion and they quickly become enraged. They have no problem PROSELYTIZING to me and shoving their world view in my face (AND I NEVER EVER RESPOND IN ANGER). I always come out as the bad guy if I point out stuff in the Bible to them IN RESPONSE TO THEM PREACHING TO ME!!!




http://www.truthaccordingtoscriptur...of-eternal-torture/chapter-1.php#.VWPb6k_BzRY

Preachy types are the worst. I once had the mailman try to witness to me. He had a captive audience because I was painting the front porch... Decided to make it easy and completely agree with him, said I was saved, god is great, blah blah. Had him on his way in about 5 minutes. Then he was the nicest mail man I ever had lol. ()

 

[mindmajick]

Sorry meant agnostic theism

Oh right... Now i remember why i stopped following this thread.

 

[OverVolt]

Had a discussion with my evangelical brother yesterday. I laid out the case FROM BIBLE VERSES that God doesn't torture his creations for eternity, he just terminates them. Holy shit did I piss him off. In a fit of rage, he said he hopes and prays that hell exists as he imagines and that all unbelievers will burn in it for eternity. I was like, whoa, that is really really FUCKED up. I quickly dropped the topic. I have found that I cannot discuss Christianity with my family in any terms other than loving adoration of God and admonitions that we must be saved. Any in depth discussion and they quickly become enraged. They have no problem PROSELYTIZING to me and shoving their world view in my face (AND I NEVER EVER RESPOND IN ANGER). I always come out as the bad guy if I point out stuff in the Bible to them IN RESPONSE TO THEM PREACHING TO ME!!!




http://www.truthaccordingtoscriptur...of-eternal-torture/chapter-1.php#.VWPb6k_BzRY

Well then stop arguing with me like I'm your brother or something because I'm not. :0) Raised catholic, definitely not evangelical christian.

 

[bshole]

Well then stop arguing with me like I'm your brother or something because I'm not. :0) Raised catholic, definitely not evangelical christian.

This isn't about you. This is a topic I found quite compelling.

One of my younger brothers is a Christian missionary, my parents are retired missionaries. I have had a whole heaping dose of Christianity in my lifetime.

My missionary brother had 3 children. The middle one was a boy. He was an incredible athlete. I have had my own kid in all kinds of sports and thus it is easy for me to spot a truly gifted athlete. His kid was a man among boys. I believe that he was good enough to eventually play college sports.

Anyways, my brother in his infinite wisdom decides to go to the Phillipines to convert stone age natives to Christianity. He is there less than one year when his son picks up a heart virus. They took his son to the hospital and he picked up Mersa on top of the virus. He died. This happened in 2005. His youngest daughter has never truly healed from the emotional trauma of this event. She was very close to her brother. She now suffers from anxiety and depression.

If that doesn't prove there is no God what would? My brother travels half way around the world to "serve" God and God promptly murders his kid? Does that make a lick of sense? What exact message was God sending?

From my perspective, why does America allow Christian missionaries to put their children in harms way? Children of missionaries dying is not an uncommon event. Adults are knowingly putting their children in dirty, filthy environments filled will dangerous animals and diseases. When I was a missionary kid on the Amazon river, I recall several kids dying while I was there (one by snake bite, one by tropical disease). I myself nearly died on two separate occasions (food poisoning and severe concussion). These kids have no choice in these instances. They have to go where their parents go. These Christian parents are willing to die for their faith; that may sound admirable, but is it admirable that they are willing for their CHILDREN to die for their faith?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

ooops. Wrong thread.

 

[JD50]

This isn't about you. This is a topic I found quite compelling.

One of my younger brothers is a Christian missionary, my parents are retired missionaries. I have had a whole heaping dose of Christianity in my lifetime.

My missionary brother had 3 children. The middle one was a boy. He was an incredible athlete. I have had my own kid in all kinds of sports and thus it is easy for me to spot a truly gifted athlete. His kid was a man among boys. I believe that he was good enough to eventually play college sports.

Anyways, my brother in his infinite wisdom decides to go to the Phillipines to convert stone age natives to Christianity. He is there less than one year when his son picks up a heart virus. They took his son to the hospital and he picked up Mersa on top of the virus. He died. This happened in 2005. His youngest daughter has never truly healed from the emotional trauma of this event. She was very close to her brother. She now suffers from anxiety and depression.

If that doesn't prove there is no God what would? My brother travels half way around the world to "serve" God and God promptly murders his kid? Does that make a lick of sense? What exact message was God sending?

From my perspective, why does America allow Christian missionaries to put their children in harms way? Children of missionaries dying is not an uncommon event. Adults are knowingly putting their children in dirty, filthy environments filled will dangerous animals and diseases. When I was a missionary kid on the Amazon river, I recall several kids dying while I was there (one by snake bite, one by tropical disease). I myself nearly died on two separate occasions (food poisoning and severe concussion). These kids have no choice in these instances. They have to go where their parents go. These Christian parents are willing to die for their faith; that may sound admirable, but is it admirable that they are willing for their CHILDREN to die for their faith?

"God works in mysterious ways" :whiste:

Seriously though sorry to hear about your nephew, that's terrible.

 

[realibrad]

This isn't about you. This is a topic I found quite compelling.

One of my younger brothers is a Christian missionary, my parents are retired missionaries. I have had a whole heaping dose of Christianity in my lifetime.

My missionary brother had 3 children. The middle one was a boy. He was an incredible athlete. I have had my own kid in all kinds of sports and thus it is easy for me to spot a truly gifted athlete. His kid was a man among boys. I believe that he was good enough to eventually play college sports.

Anyways, my brother in his infinite wisdom decides to go to the Phillipines to convert stone age natives to Christianity. He is there less than one year when his son picks up a heart virus. They took his son to the hospital and he picked up Mersa on top of the virus. He died. This happened in 2005. His youngest daughter has never truly healed from the emotional trauma of this event. She was very close to her brother. She now suffers from anxiety and depression.

If that doesn't prove there is no God what would? My brother travels half way around the world to "serve" God and God promptly murders his kid? Does that make a lick of sense? What exact message was God sending?

From my perspective, why does America allow Christian missionaries to put their children in harms way? Children of missionaries dying is not an uncommon event. Adults are knowingly putting their children in dirty, filthy environments filled will dangerous animals and diseases. When I was a missionary kid on the Amazon river, I recall several kids dying while I was there (one by snake bite, one by tropical disease). I myself nearly died on two separate occasions (food poisoning and severe concussion). These kids have no choice in these instances. They have to go where their parents go. These Christian parents are willing to die for their faith; that may sound admirable, but is it admirable that they are willing for their CHILDREN to die for their faith?

My girlfriend's family is dealing with the loss of two uncles in the span of a year. Her family is pretty religious, and her grandfather said something that I feel explains most of religion.

"What else can you do in a time like this, other than believe god has a plan. If he did not, then how could we deal. I am not going to give up my religion, so I will believe it was for a purpose."

In good times, its because god is rewarding them. In bad times, god has a good plan, we just cant see it because we are unable to understand.

 

[soulcougher73]

This isn't about you. This is a topic I found quite compelling.

One of my younger brothers is a Christian missionary, my parents are retired missionaries. I have had a whole heaping dose of Christianity in my lifetime.

My missionary brother had 3 children. The middle one was a boy. He was an incredible athlete. I have had my own kid in all kinds of sports and thus it is easy for me to spot a truly gifted athlete. His kid was a man among boys. I believe that he was good enough to eventually play college sports.

Anyways, my brother in his infinite wisdom decides to go to the Phillipines to convert stone age natives to Christianity. He is there less than one year when his son picks up a heart virus. They took his son to the hospital and he picked up Mersa on top of the virus. He died. This happened in 2005. His youngest daughter has never truly healed from the emotional trauma of this event. She was very close to her brother. She now suffers from anxiety and depression.

If that doesn't prove there is no God what would? My brother travels half way around the world to "serve" God and God promptly murders his kid? Does that make a lick of sense? What exact message was God sending?

From my perspective, why does America allow Christian missionaries to put their children in harms way? Children of missionaries dying is not an uncommon event. Adults are knowingly putting their children in dirty, filthy environments filled will dangerous animals and diseases. When I was a missionary kid on the Amazon river, I recall several kids dying while I was there (one by snake bite, one by tropical disease). I myself nearly died on two separate occasions (food poisoning and severe concussion). These kids have no choice in these instances. They have to go where their parents go. These Christian parents are willing to die for their faith; that may sound admirable, but is it admirable that they are willing for their CHILDREN to die for their faith?

And any christian worth his weight in salt knows to not spread the word of god. By doing so they are damning a percentage of the population to hell. If these stone age natives had never heard the word of god they would go to heaven automatically

That is what christians tell me. Babies and people who were never exposed get a free pass. So stop exposing it and save billions

 

[OverVolt]

And any christian worth his weight in salt knows to not spread the word of god. By doing so they are damning a percentage of the population to hell. If these stone age natives had never heard the word of god they would go to heaven automatically

That is what christians tell me. Babies and people who were never exposed get a free pass. So stop exposing it and save billions

Well this is the type of thing where he has experience IRL and you're just an internet slacktivist and its pretty painful reading what you typed so just don't talk honesty . His hating on religion makes sense. Yours doesn't.