brianmanahan
Lifer
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crashtech
Lifer
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I guess you have figured out what God many of us unwittingly worship around here.
IronWing
No Lifer
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Allah AFAIK would be a pretty okay name for a god.
Allah OMGHI2U2 would be a bitchin' name for a god.
sandorski
No Lifer
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When you live in a society where there is one dominant religion with one god, it makes sense to use "God" to refer to your deity. That's because everyone understands who you are referring to. However, if you go to another society which has a differing dominant religion with different god(s), then it becomes presumptuous.
GagHalfrunt
Lifer
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Cthulhu laughs at your puny god names. Or he would if he was capable of laughing, but he probably just goes on a murderous rampage which to him is even more enjoyable than laughing.
GagHalfrunt
Lifer
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That's why I generally use "your god" or "their god" to make it clear that it's not everyone's god and that I want no part of him/her/it. I'm always sensitive to other peoples fairy tales.
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Except of course when Christianity came to Western nations, it wasn't the dominant religion.
DigDog
Lifer
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Pointless pedantry and incorrect in the context of the point I was making. You could be similarly disingenuous by claiming that 'Allah' is another name, or 'Jealous'.
DigDog
Lifer
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Yahweh is the given name of the beardy guy of the bible. That is gods name, like Siva is Siva's name and like Thor is Thors name and like Odin is not Loki's name but rather Odins. Theres a reason why Jehovas Witnesses are called Jehovas Witnesses and that is because (spoiler) they witness Jehova.
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Let's read the first word of the topic title carefully.
Christians
Not Jewish people, not Jehovah's Witnesses, Christians. For every billion times they've called their god 'God', there may be one occasion where they called him either Yahweh or Jehovah (outside of a theological discussion including other faiths).
DigDog
Lifer
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Just because they prefer to call it God or Lord doesnt change the fact. And, the abramic faith *is* the catholic faith *is* the jewish faith. Jews do not believe that jesus was the messiah, thats where our differences end. Just like Sunni and Shiah differe on the right of rule by succession post-mohammed but are otherwise the same faith.
Personally, i think christianity is up there with hare kirshna on madeup bullshit, at least the jews have a swanky torah to cast their jewish magic spells, but christians ignore the very foundations of their own religion.
I mean, that of course does not apply if, say, you were born in Rome and a f* PRIEST came to your school twice a week your whole life to teach you the intricacies of catholicism, from gods name, to the heriarchy of angels, to what was jesus's favorite brand of underwear (i hear he was a briefs man).
So, gods name isnt "God". Not in abrahamism, not in islam, Rastafarianism, or in middle earth. They are Yahweh, Allah, Jah, and Eru, respectively.
You could just google it. Heck, you could even bing it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Christianity
Personally, i think christianity is up there with hare kirshna on madeup bullshit, at least the jews have a swanky torah to cast their jewish magic spells, but christians ignore the very foundations of their own religion.
I mean, that of course does not apply if, say, you were born in Rome and a f* PRIEST came to your school twice a week your whole life to teach you the intricacies of catholicism, from gods name, to the heriarchy of angels, to what was jesus's favorite brand of underwear (i hear he was a briefs man).
So, gods name isnt "God". Not in abrahamism, not in islam, Rastafarianism, or in middle earth. They are Yahweh, Allah, Jah, and Eru, respectively.
You could just google it. Heck, you could even bing it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Christianity
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I'm not disputing the fact, I'm pointing out that it's utterly irrelevant to this topic.
DigDog
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Ok then i have failed to understand the topic.
Are you saying that christians call (Yahweh) just "God" and think that God is God's name?
Thats not presumptuousness, thats ignorance.
Being dumb is a well known correlation of being religious.
But seriously, most monotheistic religious groups do this. American Indians would call it Great Spirit instead of Manitou, for example.
This is because "god" is a word that everyone understands while those less studious might not immediately understand Yahweh or Brahma.
Are you saying that christians call (Yahweh) just "God" and think that God is God's name?
Thats not presumptuousness, thats ignorance.
Being dumb is a well known correlation of being religious.
But seriously, most monotheistic religious groups do this. American Indians would call it Great Spirit instead of Manitou, for example.
This is because "god" is a word that everyone understands while those less studious might not immediately understand Yahweh or Brahma.
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I'd say that Christians call their god 'God', and I'd say that most/the vast majority of Christians think that is their god's name, and I don't think it's ignorance insofar as for example my 16 years of going to Catholic church never once resulted in me hearing any other name for that god other than 'God' (or 'The Lord' when it suits the flow of the text), insofar as an intentional move by the clergy to affect/maintain a change in language.
DigDog
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You will find that the clergy does in fact have manipulative tendencies. As for having to put up with it for 16 years, im sorry for you; you could have learned medicine in that time.
Personally im partial to old timey polytheistic religions such as the one true religion, Roman. No not roman catholic.
Where if you get mad and break your friends nose with your fist, Mars made you do it. And if that friend deserved it because he borked your sister, well then thats Aphrodite's fault, that whore.
Personally im partial to old timey polytheistic religions such as the one true religion, Roman. No not roman catholic.
Where if you get mad and break your friends nose with your fist, Mars made you do it. And if that friend deserved it because he borked your sister, well then thats Aphrodite's fault, that whore.
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DigDog
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Also you need to consider that christianity carries a lot of dead wood off of the earlier rabbinic tradition, and the interpretation of "do not take the name in vain" as "do not say Yahweh" (for some; others are more reasonable). This is a abramic idiosyncrasy, which for example Islam does not have; Allah is regularly spoken of. Probably all this is due to the difference in age between these religions, with Islam being rather more modern. The longer a religion exists (through a period of obscurantism) the more warped it becomes.
lxskllr
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highland145
Lifer
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"Don't take God's name in vain" in my experience has been more about cursing e.g. "for God's sake!", whereas a quick google suggests that Jewish people take issue with using the name 'Yahweh' because it's a guess of how the original Hebrew word should be pronounced, and since that word has no vowels in, there's very little to base the guess on and therefore potentially blasphemous to incorrectly guess how to pronounce it.
One point I would be interested in knowing is say whether a predominantly Muslim country would use the word 'Allah' as a generic word for god/deity. I also have no idea whether my point applies to most Western languages.
DigDog
Lifer
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Talmudic tradition says, paraphrasing, that knowing some thing's correct "name" using their special language confers supernatural powers to the user over the thing. Magic.
As it is a religion it's not just made up, but also differently interpreted by different believers. Some people just make shit up, like those who need to capitalize He, or those who write G_d because they think god's name is "god".
Anyway, asking people to be correct about religion is oxymoronic. Hey that stuff is made up, you can't just make it up!
As it is a religion it's not just made up, but also differently interpreted by different believers. Some people just make shit up, like those who need to capitalize He, or those who write G_d because they think god's name is "god".
Anyway, asking people to be correct about religion is oxymoronic. Hey that stuff is made up, you can't just make it up!
GagHalfrunt
Lifer
- Apr 19, 2001
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Spoiler: None of them have witnessed Jehovah. They don't even claim to have witnessed Jehovah. About the only thing most of them have seen is doors slamming in their faces.
Ventanni
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Christians call their god "God" because of how it's been translated over the years. This video does a really good job of explaining the details behind God's name, which may help answer your question.
At the end of the day though, it's just how language evolves and changes during translation. Calling God "God" or "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" is all the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLrGM26pmM0
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