Christians and atheists overlap in values

[Pray To Jesus]

Actually Moonbeam sees reality accurately and is an astute judge of situations.

LoL. :biggrin:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally Posted by moonbogg
yet there is magnificent purpose.
Is it true for the child who starves to death before reaching age 5?

Regardless of the circumstances it does not change the fact that there is a magnificent purpose!

Even for the child who starves to death when looked at in a bigger picture there is still a magnificent purpose.

I am not going to argue this with you because there are those who would say there is no magnificent purpose and in there minds they are correct.
I choose freely to say that I believe in a magnificent purpose!

 

[JEDIYoda]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Actually Moonbeam sees reality accurately and is an astute judge of situations.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[ThinClient]

Is it true for the child who starves to death before reaching age 5? Does such suffering serve a magnificent purpose? I have the answer, but do you?

God works in mysterious ways, bro!

 

[disappoint]

By for good or ill I did not mean your intention. I had no doubt about that. I just wanted to tell you how discouraging the notion of 1% is if it is some cosmic fact that fixed the stars and cast in iron, in only small numbers can ever be like that. That would be very depressing, like thinking the 99% are stuck with their fate. What good would love be then? All there would be is ones own echo.

They are not stuck with their fate.

All they have to do to get unstuck is become more like the one's who are unstuck. The 1%.

The question now is, do you still want that for them? For us? You know well the problems that presents.

The question then becomes which subset has the worse set of problems?

Which one do you want to change now?

As an exercise for the reader: Try and answer it before hovering over the spoiler.

Spoiler

If you say both, you're right.

 

[disappoint]

It really doesn't matter what you want to believe.

The fact remains that I'm patiently waiting for people to stop acting like children and sit down calmly to the table for a civilized adult discussion.

If all they're going to do is act like children, then I AM perfectly willing to continue to make fun of them. If there's an honest approach from them to engage in a dialogue, I have always and will always pay them the same respect in return. If they're just going to call me Satan, like Pray to Jesus does, well then they can go fuck themselves.

Now who is acting like a child? Getting all emotionally bent out of shape because they didn't get their way? Don't they realize their way is not THE way? That is to say the best way?

Don't they realize that religion is just harmless fun?:biggrin:

Oh no? http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35959962#post35959962

 

[moonbogg]

Regardless of the circumstances it does not change the fact that there is a magnificent purpose!

Even for the child who starves to death when looked at in a bigger picture there is still a magnificent purpose.

I am not going to argue this with you because there are those who would say there is no magnificent purpose and in there minds they are correct.
I choose freely to say that I believe in a magnificent purpose!

I'm not arguing with you, but I would like to know what your idea of magnificent purpose is. Do you know what yours is? Because I know exactly what mine is. I even know how a dying 5 year old can tie into my idea of magnificent purpose, but how does he tie into yours?

 

[AViking]

I would like a shred of evidence to support the idea of a magnificent purpose.

 

[moonbogg]

I would like a shred of evidence to support the idea of a magnificent purpose.

You didn't catch on? Its not objective, its subjective. You assign purpose or you don't. Nothing fancy about it. Even if there was a god with his own purpose, I might not care, therefore I would live without purpose anyway. You can't prove purpose and only you can decide what it is or if you have any.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I would like a shred of evidence to support the idea of a magnificent purpose.

Only God can answer that question to your satisfaction as the answer is deeply personal. Probably not what you wanted to hear...and I get that.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would like a shred of evidence to support the idea of a magnificent purpose.

Why, would you like such a shred of evidence? This, in my opinion is the most important question you can ask. Do you desire that life has purpose? I did, and I couldn't find any. Are you at that place? If so, how do you feel about the cold benign indifference of the universe?

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm not arguing with you, but I would like to know what your idea of magnificent purpose is. Do you know what yours is? Because I know exactly what mine is. I even know how a dying 5 year old can tie into my idea of magnificent purpose, but how does he tie into yours?

Lets play your game.....
I purposely am not arguing with you.
I aso know all of the above.......so whu don`t you answer those question to enlighten us all what you believe is the magnificent purpose and how the 5 yr old fits into that?

Now remember there could be and probably are more than one magnificent purpose....

 

[moonbogg]

Lets play your game.....
I purposely am not arguing with you.
I aso know all of the above.......so whu don`t you answer those question to enlighten us all what you believe is the magnificent purpose and how the 5 yr old fits into that?

Now remember there could be and probably are more than one magnificent purpose....

We come from lowly origins and progress only comes through suffering. Our lives improve as we evolve and suffering becomes less common and quality of life improves.
I see magnificent purpose in the universe because although we come from lowly origins with much suffering, I don't think it will always be that way. I think things will be much better in the future and its amazing that such a life could come out of so much suffering.
The 5 year old who dies from hunger plays an important roll, because in the future, he is a symbol of the suffering that we will one day rise above. He will not be forgotten nor will others like him. Such suffering represents a necessary stage that we must go through before arriving at a better place in our evolution, and those who suffer now will be honored and remembered, at least collectively and they will serve as inspiration to allow the more fortunate to be truly grateful and not take anything for granted.
That's mine, now whats yours?

 

[justoh]

We come from lowly origins and progress only comes through suffering. Our lives improve as we evolve and suffering becomes less common and quality of life improves.
I see magnificent purpose in the universe because although we come from lowly origins with much suffering, I don't think it will always be that way. I think things will be much better in the future and its amazing that such a life could come out of so much suffering.
The 5 year old who dies from hunger plays an important roll, because in the future, he is a symbol of the suffering that we will one day rise above. He will not be forgotten nor will others like him. Such suffering represents a necessary stage that we must go through before arriving at a better place in our evolution, and those who suffer now will be honored and remembered, at least collectively and they will serve as inspiration to allow the more fortunate to be truly grateful and not take anything for granted.
That's mine, now whats yours?

Hard to argue with that reasoning. Airtight, yo.

 

[moonbogg]

Hard to argue with that reasoning. Airtight, yo.

Do you see purpose in the universe?

 

[justoh]

Do you see purpose in the universe?

I didn't before, but I was convinced by your previous post. If you don't think it'll always be like this then that's good enough for me. As long as the average standard of living is constantly improving and disposable electronics keep on getting cheaper and smaller.

 

[moonbogg]

I didn't before, but I was convinced by your previous post. If you don't think it'll always be like this then that's good enough for me. As long as the average standard of living is constantly improving and disposable electronics keep on getting cheaper and smaller.

I can't tell if you are serious or not, sorry.