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Christianity & Judaism
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TitanDiddly
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Sure, in moderation.
Keep in mind that your body is considered God's temple, and abusing it is bad.
Keep in mind that your body is considered God's temple, and abusing it is bad.
in judaism, people drink as part of religious celebrations. however, drinking on a regular basis is something recommended in moderation, if at all (i personally do not drink nor do i smoke).
as for smoking, it's not a flat out "no," but more of a "you're not supposed to hurt yourself and smoking ultimately destroys your lungs so you should not do it." that doesn't stop jews from smoking though, since it's not a "law" or outright prohibition.
as for smoking, it's not a flat out "no," but more of a "you're not supposed to hurt yourself and smoking ultimately destroys your lungs so you should not do it." that doesn't stop jews from smoking though, since it's not a "law" or outright prohibition.
In Christianity it can vary from church to church, especially with the drinking. Smoking is pretty much socially unacceptable anymore, I don't think you'd be lighting up at church no matter which one you attended.
President Bush not drinking may or may not have anything to do with his religion, but if he says so, who am I to negate?
A jew can drink most types of alcohol. The most notable exceptions are wine and anything (liquor, mixer, or coloring agent) that contains an unkosher ingredient. A jello shot, for example, might not be kosher as jello (gelatin) can be derived from unkosher cows or prohibited pigs. Other common food dyes (that find their way into cocktails) can be derived from insects like cochineal extract which comes from a beetle.
As for what makes a wine kosher, read here.
As for what makes a wine kosher, read here.
Malak
Lifer
He is trying to make a point of abstaining from things that tend to be more hurtful than helpful in life. Drinking in moderation isn't necessarily bad, but some people can't handle it so abstaination is the best approach. I myself don't ever drink, but then I've never had any alcohol I liked.
glenn beck
Platinum Member
Several verses encourage people to stay away from alcoholic beverages (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 14:26; 29:6; Judges 13:4,7,14; 1 Samuel 1:15; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4,6; Isaiah 5:11,22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12; Micah 2:11; Luke 1:15). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid everyone from drinking beer, wine, or other alcoholic beverages. We are commanded to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). We are also commanded to not allow our bodies to be ?mastered? by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Scripture also forbids us from doing anything that offends other believers or might encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say they are drinking alcohol to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).
Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus likely drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminates. The same is true in most third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. The Greek word for wine in the Bible is the most basic everyday word for wine. In that day, wine was fermented, but not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine we use today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid everyone from drinking beer, wine, or other alcoholic beverages. What we are commanded is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). Other Biblical principles make it extremely difficult to argue that drinking alcohol in any quantity is pleasing to God.
Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus likely drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminates. The same is true in most third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. The Greek word for wine in the Bible is the most basic everyday word for wine. In that day, wine was fermented, but not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine we use today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid everyone from drinking beer, wine, or other alcoholic beverages. What we are commanded is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). Other Biblical principles make it extremely difficult to argue that drinking alcohol in any quantity is pleasing to God.
wallsfd949
Golden Member
I wish you hadn't said that. Proverbs 20:1 is one of the scriptures you quoted - "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
And another you pointed out: Proverbs 23:29-31 - " Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
I'd hate for someone to get the idea the Jesus drank firmented wine. The next thing people will try to push is that Jesus had long hair and looked like an effeminate man. You said one thing and then turned right around and said another - It's not grape juice, but it's not wine like we know of today... Please clarify.
glenn beck
Platinum Member
(I'm trying to say that he had wine on occassion never for indulgence or a buzz, the water back then could not be drunk. Yes people will take this the wrong way and think it is alright to drink wine all the time. God has set for to treat our body like a temple, drinking, smoking, drugs can only harm a body and destroy it. A glass of wine every once and a while will harm nobody(even though I do not drink at all), but there are few that just drink a small glass for taste.
Don't forget about the nazarenes abstinence from wine and Gods special love for them.
Don't forget about the nazarenes abstinence from wine and Gods special love for them.
glenn beck
Platinum Member
F.Y.I anybody up at 1 in the morning watch Jack Van Impe, if you are confused about Revelations or had questions, he is the man to answer them.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
NM, just googled it. Apparently, he quit drinking on his own about 20 years ago because he saw drinking becoming a problem for him.
WiseOldDude
Senior member
he is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict with a DWI conviction under his belt. Expunged from his record and evidence destroyed by the government of course.
Kasper4christ
Senior member
with a sig like yours, who isn't shocked to hear those words?
"oh no, the govt is after me.. AHHH"
all in all, i'm just horsing around, and terribly bored.
if he says no drinkin, more power to 'em.
myself, family has history of drug abuse, addiction, smokin, and alcoholism, so staying away from THOSE....
"oh no, the govt is after me.. AHHH"
all in all, i'm just horsing around, and terribly bored.
if he says no drinkin, more power to 'em.
myself, family has history of drug abuse, addiction, smokin, and alcoholism, so staying away from THOSE....
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