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Tom

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wuliheron said:
You should check out the Flat Earth Society. Great bunch of people who really know how to party.
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Funnily enough, I actually had a question for them the other day. I was wondering if they thought it was the same time everywhere on Earth, or if they had time zones ? And if they did, where were the zones ?
 
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zsdersw said:
Smoking an occasional tobacco product is no worse than smoking an occasional joint. Smoking joints regularly isn't any healthier than smoking tobacco regularly.
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Of course, in the real world, the health damage caused by tobacco products is far greater than that caused by MJ. Also, tobacco is highly addictive, whereas THC is at most mildly addictive. From wikipedia:

Research has shown the overall addiction potential for cannabis to be much less than for tobacco, alcohol, cocaine or heroin, but slightly higher than that for psilocybin, mescaline, LSD, and MDMA.
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Considering the overall "risk profile" of marijuana versus tobacco and alcohol - and not even considering the hugely , it's breathtakingly misguided that MJ is illegal.
 
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Of course, in the real world, the health damage caused by tobacco products is far greater than that caused by MJ. Also, tobacco is highly addictive, whereas THC is at most mildly addictive. From wikipedia:

Considering the overall "risk profile" of marijuana versus tobacco and alcohol - and not even considering the hugely , it's breathtakingly misguided that MJ is illegal.
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I didn't say it should be illegal.. I just think it's foolish to think it's notably "healthier" to smoke pot than cigarettes or cigars.
 
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Tom said:
Funnily enough, I actually had a question for them the other day. I was wondering if they thought it was the same time everywhere on Earth, or if they had time zones ? And if they did, where were the zones ?
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You still get different time zones, but they're caused by the sun moving around rather then earth rotating.

Ironically most people still share the Flat Earth Society's belief that the passage of time is some sort of universal constant. I once had two little old ladies poke fun at me for believing in the theory of Relativity. It reminded me of an old Vaudeville joke where two guys during the depression were talking optimistically about the future. One guy says, "Someday we'll put a man on the moon" and the other guy agrees with him. Then he says, "And one day we'll build refrigerators that make their own ice" to which the other guy says, "Now you've gone too far!"
 
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zsdersw said:
I didn't say it should be illegal.. I just think it's foolish to think it's notably "healthier" to smoke pot than cigarettes or cigars.
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I agree that "healthier" is not the right word. But it's a slam dunk that real-world usage of pot is not remotely as dangerous as real-world usage of tobacco.
 
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shira said:
I agree that "healthier" is not the right word. But it's a slam dunk that real-world usage of pot is not remotely as dangerous as real-world usage of tobacco.
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So you're ok if the school bus driver bringing your kids home is stoned ?

They aren't allowed to be drunk. They aren't allowed to smoke tobacco while driving, but they could have before they started driving. The residual effects of tobacco don't make them as unsafe a driver as smoking dope.

I'm skeptical of claims that inhaling smoke from any source isn't hazardous to health. How is it that smoke from burning cannabis isn't harmful but smoke from any other source is ?
 
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Tom said:
So you're ok if the school bus driver bringing your kids home is stoned ?

They aren't allowed to be drunk.
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I have yet to see a credible report that smoking pot affects your driving anymore then a cold medicine. (I would expect the cold medicine to affect driving more by nature of it being a depressant)

Folks stoned are infamous for taking forever to get somewhere as they are really aware and slower/safer.

Not that I am saying to take bong rips and drive cross country or a school bus. But I don't see the comparison between common narcotic over the counter drugs and pot + driving.

Drunk folks and tired people are the real dangers.

Hmm, but then:
I guess potheads sometimes take a hand off the wheel to grab cheeseburger bites more often then others?

Really the biggest risk of going cross country smoking really would be some yokel cop in middle america pulling you over and jacking your stash for themselves. Jerks. :D
 
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TheRedUnderURBed said:
I have yet to see a credible report that smoking pot affects your driving anymore then a cold medicine. (I would expect the cold medicine to affect driving more by nature of it being a depressant)

Folks stoned are infamous for taking forever to get somewhere as they are really aware and slower/safer.

Not that I am saying to take bong rips and drive cross country or a school bus. But I don't see the comparison between common narcotic over the counter drugs and pot + driving.

Drunk folks and tired people are the real dangers.

Hmm, but then:
I guess potheads sometimes take a hand off the wheel to grab cheeseburger bites more often then others? :D
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to be honest im biased ever since a stoned dude went left of center and headon-ed me.
 
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Tom said:
to be honest im biased ever since a stoned dude went left of center and headon-ed me.
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Sorry to hear that Tom. fwiw that sounds like something a sleepy person would do or was it distraction of looking down at an ashtray or something? I despise being in private autos with careless people.
 
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shira said:
I agree that "healthier" is not the right word. But it's a slam dunk that real-world usage of pot is not remotely as dangerous as real-world usage of tobacco.
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Get a grip people! Splitting semantic hairs just gives you split ends.
 
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Tom said:
So you're ok if the school bus driver bringing your kids home is stoned ?

They aren't allowed to be drunk. They aren't allowed to smoke tobacco while driving, but they could have before they started driving. The residual effects of tobacco don't make them as unsafe a driver as smoking dope.

I'm skeptical of claims that inhaling smoke from any source isn't hazardous to health. How is it that smoke from burning cannabis isn't harmful but smoke from any other source is ?
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It a little thing called "chemistry". If you don't believe me, try drinking Drano some time and see if one liquid is the same as any other.
 
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Tom said:
So you're ok if the school bus driver bringing your kids home is stoned ?

They aren't allowed to be drunk. They aren't allowed to smoke tobacco while driving, but they could have before they started driving. The residual effects of tobacco don't make them as unsafe a driver as smoking dope.

I'm skeptical of claims that inhaling smoke from any source isn't hazardous to health. How is it that smoke from burning cannabis isn't harmful but smoke from any other source is ?
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No, I'm not "OK" with it. It should be illegal to operate any dangerous equipment while impaired.

You point about inhaling smoke is absurd. Just consider how many joints a typical MJ user smokes in a typical week. 1? 1/2? And how much total smoke does that level of usage produce? Now, compare that with the number of cigarettes the typical typical smoker smokes in a typical week. 140 (7 packs)? 280? And how much smoke does THAT level of usage produce. Oh, and how many cigarette smokers are there and how many MJ users?

There's no comparison. Cigarettes (and other tobacco products) kill hundreds of thousands of people each year.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/effects_cig_smoking/

The adverse health effects from cigarette smoking account for an estimated 443,000 deaths, or nearly one of every five deaths, each year in the United States.
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And how many deaths a year does Marijuana cause? Well, consider this little factoid I found:

Well, here it's legal (The Netherlands), and there have been one death reported from Marijuana in the last 5 years, unless used in combination with illegal drugs. Some girl I heared, who walked into a river while under the effect of marijuana. Marijuana deals less damage than alcohol, and if damage occurs it's mainly from the tobacco which is used in combination with the drug. The main risk is that the confused state makes you do certain things which cause you to die (like walking in a river).
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It's laughable and pathetic and disgusting that MJ is illegal.
 
zsdersw

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shira said:
Just consider how many joints a typical MJ user smokes in a typical week. 1? 1/2? And how much total smoke does that level of usage produce? Now, compare that with the number of cigarettes the typical typical smoker smokes in a typical week. 140 (7 packs)? 280?
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Actually, "regular" pot smokers smoke 1 joint per day not per week. "Heavy" cigarette smokers smoke 1 pack per day.. but I wouldn't say that's "typical".
 
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zsdersw said:
Actually, "regular" pot smokers smoke 1 joint per day not per week. "Heavy" cigarette smokers smoke 1 pack per day.. but I wouldn't say that's "typical".
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I stand (sit?) corrected. But the implication on health is still valid. Tobacco kills hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. Marijuana kills almost no one.

The greatest "dangers" of MJ are almost entirely due to our artificially maintained black market: We spend tens of billions each year keeping MJ users and low-level dealers incarcerated. We enable drug gangs and gang-related violence because the black market makes MJ so profitable. We corrupt police on the take. We clog up our court systems. We forgo huge revenues from the taxes that would be collectable if we made MJ legal and regulated. We destroy lives in the name of "saving" them from the non-threat of MJ.

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax it. Empty the prisons and free up the courts and reduce crime. But that's far too simple an approach for the hugely dangerous weed marijuana.
 
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