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Christian Polling Group Finds Atheists Divorce Less Than Christians

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Rob M. said:
Just wondering....

Not only do they attack unprovoked ( as evident by the OP), they are very judgmental.

How many times do we hear, "believing in god is like believing in the celestial teapot", or "they're abusing their children with religious teaching"? They're basically saying religious people are stupid. A lot of this is clearly unprovoked. They also say that as if God doesn't exists for a certainty, which by defintion is only a belief.

Please, they aren't any better....

This world would be lot better off without religious extremism and atheist superiority. Both are cancers to society.
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It's a bit silly to say that the OP is an attack on Christianity. Unless you're also saying that every pro Christian OP is an attack on atheism, Judaism, and Islam. I'm not saying unprovoked attacks don't occur, but they're rare. Atheists are human like everyone else so you'll have some that are just straight dicks and yes some that have a superiority complex. I admit that I in general find a belief in a god to be silly, but so long as you're not using that belief to harm or detriment the rights of others than I try to just let you be.
 
Angry Irishman said:
In my opinion, the two words are intertwined in regards to the subject be discussed. For instance, If one were to disagree about SSM they may be labeled intolerant by another or the opposite stance could be defined the same way. Also, you'll find no empirical evidence to support someone for SSM either.
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no but, rights are not granted, they're only taken away. Unless there is a strong argument based on empirical and logical evidence for why a right should be taken away, it shouldn't be.
 
Broheim said:
no but, rights are not granted, they're only taken away. Unless there is a strong argument based on empirical and logical evidence for why a right should be taken away, it shouldn't be.
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Fair point. I'm not really looking at this from the legality but the "what if" regarding morality.
 
kage69 said:
Interesting...

"In fact, a review of worldwide studies found that criminality and religion go hand in hand. The countries with the most religious people have the highest crime rates, highest sexually transmitted diseases and the highest teen pregnancy rates.

This is also true in the United States. The more religious a state’s population, the higher the crime, STD and teen pregnancy rates. The report does say that the religious are happier than the secular but posits that the ostracism of the latter may be a major cause."

Still would like to see some numbers...
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Well the question is also causality. The question should be asked if teen pregnancy rates are related to religion and how. How about race? Economic and educational status? If you "get religion" do you get pregnant?
 
Angry Irishman said:
A shitload is a large amount of people but most assuredly not all religious folks. Tell me which crowd is better without showing intolerance: religious or atheists?

If someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage (even an atheist); then what? Are they wrong just because you say so?

Think about it...
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If someone non religious was arbitrarily against ssm that would be even more irritating than the default and expected position of someone Christian, since the only argument against ssm is god hates gays. the non religious homophobe is even worse than the religious homophobe.

About people bashing religion, it's likely mostly due to frustration. What many don't seem to grasp is that when people bring up shit like fairies and leprechauns and Santa Claus, they aren't just doing that for the lols. It's foolish and dangerous in our eyes to believe anything without evidence, and evangelical Christianity is a lot more dangerous than believing in fairies, for obvious reasons. But realizing there isn't evidence for something and therefore not accepting it as true cannot be compared to choosing to belief something with no evidence, so it's ridiculous to talk about religious and atheist intolerance like it's comparable. The religious are intolerant of people who aren't practicing their irrational beliefs. Atheists may or not be intolerant, but if they are they are intolerant of any person holding any irrational belief at all.
 
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Angry Irishman said:
Atheists always bitch about religion being forced on them. It's just as prevalent for atheists to judge and attempt to force their beliefs on the religious...especially on this board and most noticeably from just a few.
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Could you post links to this board that show that? Sharing one's beliefs isn't forcing anything.
 
justoh said:
If someone non religious was arbitrarily against ssm that would be even more irritating than the default and expected position of someone Christian, since the only argument against ssm is god hates gays. the non religious homophobe is even worse than the religious homophobe.

About people bashing religion, it's likely mostly due to frustration. What many don't seem to grasp is that when people bring up shit like fairies and leprechauns and Santa Claus, they aren't just doing that for the lols. It's foolish and dangerous in our eyes to believe anything without evidence, and evangelical Christianity is a lot more dangerous than believing in fairies, for obvious reasons. But realizing there isn't evidence for something and therefore not accepting it as true cannot be compared to choosing to belief something with no evidence, so it's ridiculous to talk about religious and atheist intolerance like it's comparable. The religious are intolerant of people who aren't practicing their irrational beliefs. Atheists may or not be intolerant, but if they are they are intolerant of any person holding any irrational belief at all.
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You don't know what tolerance means. It means having a permissive attitude toward the beliefs, opinions, race, religion, nationality etc, which differs from yours.

Whether or not they're rational or not makes no difference. You're trying to excuse bigotry.

You're a joke...
 
monovillage said:
If you never get married then it's pretty hard to get divorced, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with this "study".
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This is a good point. If I were super religious, I would have been married and divorced several times by now. I'm not religious, so I've never had the need to get married.

Well the question is also causality. The question should be asked if teen pregnancy rates are related to religion and how. How about race? Economic and educational status? If you "get religion" do you get pregnant?
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If you are religious, you won't use any form of birth control, then yes you will get pregnant. Accidental pregnancy can then lead to economic and education problems. Single mothers average less than $25k per year. Having a kid also makes it difficult to stay at university until 10pm to finish an engineering assignment. Some other stats say that kids of single parents have a much higher risk of becoming criminals, so yes religion does indirectly lead to crime.
 
Rob M. said:
You don't know what tolerance means. It means having a permissive attitude toward the beliefs, opinions, race, religion, nationality etc, which differs from yours.

Whether or not they're rational or not makes no difference. You're trying to excuse bigotry.

You're a joke...
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It makes a difference when you're living in a country with a powerful federal government. It makes a difference when the president, congress, and SCOTUS almost always votes along party lines. If the states and municipalities had more autonomy, it wouldn't be so much of an issue, as a rational person could just move to an area governed by people they prefer, but as it is, because Americans live in a democracy with a largely centralized govt, it matters a great deal how people vote, and religion influences this to an enormous extent. It also affects how people are treated, and many atheists care about that.

Broadly speaking, it matters since you can't open flipboard on your s4 and not read about another theocratic encroachment on free society on the news every day. Girls being killed for singing or dancing in the rain (forgot which it was)? Yeah, we aren't supposed to get irritated and upset about that... and we know it's probably mainly because of religion. We know that otherwise moral and kind people are opposing gay marriage mainly because of dogma. We know that homosexuals and careless pregnant teens are shunned by otherwise moral and kind family members because of a religion so transparently man made. And all of this is barely scratching the surface of why it's relevant that people act rationally in a democracy. It's outrageous, so sometimes people get a little hostile on internet forums, but I bet most of the time it's not maliciously motivated.
 
justoh said:
It makes a difference when you're living in a country with a powerful federal government. It makes a difference when the president, congress, and SCOTUS almost always votes along party lines. If the states and municipalities had more autonomy, it wouldn't be so much of an issue, as a rational person could just move to an area governed by people they prefer, but as it is, because Americans live in a democracy with a largely centralized govt, it matters a great deal how people vote, and religion influences this to an enormous extent. It also affects how people are treated, and many atheists care about that.
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Sounds like a bigger issue than religious belief.

You can't have it both ways -- you seem to want religious people to vote according to YOUR beliefs, while keeping silent when they disagree. Everyone doesn't believe in the same stuff you do, so they're going to vote according to their personal belief system, as do you.

This is a democracy "only when we agree", and that's what athiests really are saying.

You are not going to hide under the cover of "we care about how people are treated" or you wouldn't treat religious folks the way you do with your proposed exclusion and vitriol. You want "inclusion" as I always here from people like yourself, well.. that's until someone says something you don't like such as "thank God"... or something, then you want them out.

Pure, hypocrisy.

I am not saying you're wrong for wanting religious influence out, becasue I do as well, but you can't say you care about how people are treated, and turn right around and castigate your fellow man (who happens to be religious). It's pure hypocrisy.

Broadly speaking, it matters since you can't open flipboard on your s4 and not read about another theocratic encroachment on free society on the news every day. Girls being killed for singing or dancing in the rain (forgot which it was)? Yeah, we aren't supposed to get irritated and upset about that... and we know it's probably mainly because of religion. We know that otherwise moral and kind people are opposing gay marriage mainly because of dogma. We know that homosexuals and careless pregnant teens are shunned by otherwise moral and kind family members because of a religion so transparently man made. And all of this is barely scratching the surface of why it's relevant that people act rationally in a democracy. It's outrageous, so sometimes people get a little hostile on internet forums, but I bet most of the time it's not maliciously motivated.
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That dancing in the rain tragedy wasn't on US soil, but thanks for lumping religious extremists in with ALL religious people.
 
thraashman said:
I don't know if you've ever used the phrase "I am a Christian" on here. But you've defended every horrible thing said or done by Christians that comes up as if Christians can do no wrong. It is clear you are a Christian who believes all Christians who believe as you do are automatically perfect. You are both wrong in that assessment, and thankfully for most Christians you are a horrible example of Christianity.
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Fixed that for you, those who are Christian but don't fully support Incorruptible's view of the world are frequently called non-Christian bigots by Incorruptible.
 
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Everyone doesn't believe in the same stuff you do, so they're going to vote according to their personal belief system, as do you
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First of all, you meant to say "not everyone..." since "everyone not" is something very different. But then religious people are prone to this sort of fuzzy thinking. Secondly, atheists don't have a personal belief system in the same sense you do. We are naturally skeptical of everything. What we do accept as probably true is informed by evidence, careful consideration, and constant investigation. We have no beliefs in the irrational sense of the word, and have no fear of being wrong about something ever, since the point is to be right for its own sake, not to avoid being wrong to prevent one's entire world view delusion from falling apart.
 
monovillage said:
Thanks for the laugh.
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I knew you would find it funny. It was your out for your original idiotic post.

Good job catching another one of my spelling/grammar mistakes! What's that now? Four errors? You still have a long way to go thoug, to catch up to all the stupid shit you post that I've called you on😉

If this heat wave continues I'll expect even more retarded posts from you, I've heard high heat and senility are a bad combo.
 
justoh said:
First of all, you meant to say "not everyone..." since "everyone not" is something very different. But then religious people are prone to this sort of fuzzy thinking. Secondly, atheists don't have a personal belief system in the same sense you do. We are naturally skeptical of everything. What we do accept as probably true is informed by evidence, careful consideration, and constant investigation. We have no beliefs in the irrational sense of the word, and have no fear of being wrong about something ever, since the point is to be right for its own sake, not to avoid being wrong to prevent one's entire world view delusion from falling apart.
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You're an idiot. Why do you attack religious people on an online forum? Why don't you go to some radical Muslims and tell them how you feel about religion. Oh wait I forgot you're a coward.
 
justoh said:
First of all, you meant to say "not everyone..." since "everyone not" is something very different. But then religious people are prone to this sort of fuzzy thinking. Secondly, atheists don't have a personal belief system in the same sense you do. We are naturally skeptical of everything. What we do accept as probably true is informed by evidence, careful consideration, and constant investigation. We have no beliefs in the irrational sense of the word, and have no fear of being wrong about something ever, since the point is to be right for its own sake, not to avoid being wrong to prevent one's entire world view delusion from falling apart.
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What I am saying is you believe in something -- to act like everything you do or every choice you make is based firmly on evidence is a lie.

You take a job with hardly any evidence it is going to be around for the next 10 years -- the best thing is you HOPE it will be because you can't see a single day into the future with any reliable accuracy, you buy a use vehicle basically taking the word of the seller that it can last 5 years, scienctists believe their principles and theories can withstand time and scrutiny.. my point is, every single human takes a leap of faith from time to time, and make choices based on little to no evidence quite frequently.
 
ivwshane said:
I knew you would find it funny. It was your out for your original idiotic post.

Good job catching another one of my spelling/grammar mistakes! What's that now? Four errors? You still have a long way to go thoug, to catch up to all the stupid shit you post that I've called you on😉

If this heat wave continues I'll expect even more retarded posts from you, I've heard high heat and senility are a bad combo.
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With friends like this..............😛
 
Rob M. said:
What I am saying is you believe in something -- to act like everything you do or every choice you make is based firmly on evidence is a lie.

You take a job with hardly any evidence it is going to be around for the next 10 years -- the best thing is you HOPE it will be because you can't see a single day into the future with any reliable accuracy, you buy a use vehicle basically taking the word of the seller that it can last 5 years, scienctists believe their principles and theories can withstand time and scrutiny.. my point is, every single human takes a leap of faith from time to time, and make choices based on little to no evidence quite frequently.
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I know it's not your point but I find it hilarious that you equate your religious beliefs to that of not knowing for sure how secure ones job is or how reliable their car will be. The difference, of course, is that one can research a companies history, stock movement, consumer/BBB rating etc to make an informed opinion about the likelyhood of the company and his job going away. The same can also be said for buying a car, there is plenty of info to look up to make a reasonable guess as to predicting the reliability of a car, such as reviews of current and past models, the history of the car company, and current or past recall notices.
 
ivwshane said:
I know it's not your point but I find it hilarious that you equate your religious beliefs to that of not knowing for sure how secure ones job is or how reliable their car will be. The difference, of course, is that one can research a companies history, stock movement, consumer/BBB rating etc to make an informed opinion about the likelyhood of the company and his job going away. The same can also be said for buying a car, there is plenty of info to look up to make a reasonable guess as to predicting the reliability of a car, such as reviews of current and past models, the history of the car company, and current or past recall notices.
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...and how many people do you know that takes the time to do this kinda in-depth research on a car and employer?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but many people fear disappointment, so they'd rather not sometimes -- and this spans all walks of life or people would work for bad companies or buy terrible cars.

Still, atheist are so SACRED of the word "believe" as if it will kill them to admit they have beliefs.

Then they play semantics -- "I don't hold beliefs in the sense YOU do" -- it's quite embarrassing seeing grown educated people play grade-school games like this.

Belief doesn't bite, and the water's not cold...
 
Traditional christianity is back-asswards hick bullshit in comparison to the teaching of Christ. Keeping your woman at home so she can be incredibly unhappy and unfulfilled is some Neanderthal bullshit and a this sort of social norm does, and should, lead to divorce in our society.


/Resident badass Christian apologist
 
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